Conservative green plan a Liberal clone says professor

[Canuck E Stan]

Edmonton Sun

"The current policies of the Conservative government here in Canada, even though they say they are different, are almost a copycat of what the Liberals were in the process of implementing under Paul Martin and Stephane Dion," Jaccard says in a podcasted interview with the Institute for Research in Public Policy.

Reached by telephone yesterday, Jaccard added that the Conservative plan is better than anything that came before it,....

Why doesn't Dion stop this political game playing and get this clone of his 2005 plan approved, so the environment can be saved?

Maybe it's not as important to him as he says.

[jdobbin]

Why doesn't Dion stop this political game playing and get this clone of his 2005 plan approved, so the environment can be saved?

Maybe it's not as important to him as he says.

The reason is that the Opposition parties have amended the Clean Air Act and support that plan instead. Why go back when they can move forward?

[Canuck E Stan]

The reason is that the Opposition parties have amended the Clean Air Act and support that plan instead. Why go back when they can move forward?

Why play politics with the environment if it so important?

The opposition wasn't happy with Clean Air Act,so the opposition changed it.So much so, that it didn't resemble the Tories original bill, so the Tories weren't happy.

Now we have a plan that's supposedly a clone of Dion's 2005 plan,that should have pleased Dion and the Liberals. Forget the Clean Air bill, this one should have the approval of both the Conservatives and the Liberals. Dion could even flaunt this one as his plan and give everyone a "I told you so". So why the delay?

Jaccard added that the Conservative plan is better than anything that came before it

[jdobbin]

Why play politics with the environment if it so important?

The opposition wasn't happy with Clean Air Act,so the opposition changed it.So much so, that it didn't resemble the Tories original bill, so the Tories weren't happy.

Now we have a plan that's supposedly a clone of Dion's 2005 plan,that should have pleased Dion and the Liberals. Forget the Clean Air bill, this one should have the approval of both the Conservatives and the Liberals. Dion could even flaunt this one as his plan and give everyone a "I told you so". So why the delay?

One reason is that the 2005 plan was inadequate. Why don't the Tories simply go with the amended plans and stop playing game themselves?

[Canuck E Stan]

One reason is that the 2005 plan was inadequate. Why don't the Tories simply go with the amended plans and stop playing game themselves?

Inadequate?

Why would the then environment minister Dion plan an environmental strategy for the future that makes it inadequate two years later?

Doesn't say much for Liberal environment policy.

The Tories playing games? Who's running the government here?

The Liberals in opposition are trying to set the agenda, thinking they're still running the government.

Sorry,you'll have to win an election to do that.

[jdobbin]

Inadequate?

Why would the then environment minister Dion plan an environmental strategy for the future that makes it inadequate two years later?

Doesn't say much for Liberal environment policy.

The Tories playing games? Who's running the government here?

The Liberals in opposition are trying to set the agenda, thinking they're still running the government.

Sorry,you'll have to win an election to do that.

No, it doesn't. It was a poor plan as I have mentioned many times.

Exactly. Who is running the government? It would seem that the Tories had no plan beyond the spring. Stalling just makes them look ineffective and if they feel the Opposition is holding them back, they should call an election. Otherwise, stop whining.

[Canuck E Stan]

Otherwise, stop whining.

Judging by the number of your posts, I'd say you do more whining here than I do.

[jdobbin]

Judging by the number of your posts, I'd say you do more whining here than I do.

Judging by your tone, I'd say I hit a nerve. You shouldn't take things so personally when your party is doing badly.

[Catchme]

Edmonton Sun

"The current policies of the Conservative government here in Canada, even though they say they are different, are almost a copycat of what the Liberals were in the process of implementing under Paul Martin and Stephane Dion," Jaccard says in a podcasted interview with the Institute for Research in Public Policy.

Reached by telephone yesterday, Jaccard added that the Conservative plan is better than anything that came before it,....

Why doesn't Dion stop this political game playing and get this clone of his 2005 plan approved, so the environment can be saved?

Maybe it's not as important to him as he says.

Great editing Canuck E Stan, and a B- on the attempted spin! Did you think NO ONE would read the linked to article, or what?

A West Coast environment professor frequently quoted by the federal government in its fight with opposition parties over climate change is now criticizing the Conservatives' own green plan...Reached by telephone yesterday, Jaccard added that the Conservative plan is better than anything that came before it, but points out several "loopholes" that could leave regulations well short of its target to reduce overall emissions by 20% as of 2020. Jaccard is in the midst of running the plan through a model to see how significant the loopholes will undermine the Conservatives' targets.

It's too bad the CPC, still not accepting the re-written Clean Air Act, that actually went beyond the Liberals, wasted time trying just flog the old Liberal plan off as their "new" one. They could've simply used it instead of wasting time on the both the Clean Air Act, and now the extremely good plan made by the NDP with support from the Liberals and Bloc.

[Argus]

The Liberal Party does not care about the environment. It has NEVER cared about the environment. It is simply exploiting the current fad in the media to try to gain votes. Stephan Dion opposed action on Kyoto when he was in cabinet, then turned around and named his dog Kyoto to tell everyone how concerned he was. They had 14 years to do something about Kyoto and they did nothing. The instant it ceases to become politically expedient to clamor for cuts to greenhouse gas emissions the Liberals will forget about it. This is the thing about the Liberals: they really don't care about anything but power and money. Health care? They did nothing for 14 years but watch it deteriorate. National Day Care? They promised it every election but never did a thing until they were in danger of losing power. Then Goodale flew from province to province pouring money into their hands and basically telling them they could do whatever they wanted with it, just so he could pretend the Liberals had a National Daycare Plan.

Stephan Dion has never cared about the environment and doesn't care now. Anyone who thinks he does is childishly naive.

[Argus]

Inadequate?

Why would the then environment minister Dion plan an environmental strategy for the future that makes it inadequate two years later?

Doesn't say much for Liberal environment policy.

The Tories playing games? Who's running the government here?

The Liberals in opposition are trying to set the agenda, thinking they're still running the government.

Sorry,you'll have to win an election to do that.

No, it doesn't. It was a poor plan as I have mentioned many times.

Exactly. Who is running the government? It would seem that the Tories had no plan beyond the spring. Stalling just makes them look ineffective and if they feel the Opposition is holding them back, they should call an election. Otherwise, stop whining.

What is the Liberal Plan to reduce Greenhouse Gas Emissions?

What is the Liberal Plan on National Daycare?

What is the Liberal Plan to solve our deteriorating health care system?

<dead silence>

[jdobbin]

What is the Liberal Plan to reduce Greenhouse Gas Emissions?

What is the Liberal Plan on National Daycare?

What is the Liberal Plan to solve our deteriorating health care system?

Do the Conservatives have plans? At the moment all they do is stall and hope for an end to this Parliamentary session.

[jdobbin]

The Liberal Party does not care about the environment. It has NEVER cared about the environment. It is simply exploiting the current fad in the media to try to gain votes. Stephan Dion opposed action on Kyoto when he was in cabinet, then turned around and named his dog Kyoto to tell everyone how concerned he was. They had 14 years to do something about Kyoto and they did nothing. The instant it ceases to become politically expedient to clamor for cuts to greenhouse gas emissions the Liberals will forget about it. This is the thing about the Liberals: they really don't care about anything but power and money. Health care? They did nothing for 14 years but watch it deteriorate. National Day Care? They promised it every election but never did a thing until they were in danger of losing power. Then Goodale flew from province to province pouring money into their hands and basically telling them they could do whatever they wanted with it, just so he could pretend the Liberals had a National Daycare Plan.

Stephan Dion has never cared about the environment and doesn't care now. Anyone who thinks he does is childishly naive.

The Conservative Party does not care about the environment. It has NEVER cared about the environment. It is simply exploiting the current fad in the media to try to gain votes. Stephen Harper opposed action on Kyoto when he was out of government, then turned around and named his dog Baird to tell everyone how concerned he was. They had a year to do something about Kyoto and they did nothing. The instant it ceases to become politically expedient to clamor for cuts to greenhouse gas emissions the Conservatives will forget about it. This is the thing about the Conservatives: they really don't care about anything but power and money. Health care? They did nothing for the last year but watch it deteriorate. National Day Care? They promised it this election but never did a thing. Then Harper flew from province to province pouring money into their hands and basically telling them they could do whatever they wanted with it, just so he could pretend the Conservatives had a plan.

Stephen Harper has never cared about the environment and doesn't care now. Anyone who thinks he does is childishly naive.

[Michael Bluth]

Stephen Harper opposed action on Kyoto when he was out of government, then turned around and named his dog Baird to tell everyone how concerned he was.

Utterly childish.

[jbg]

Inadequate?

Why would the then environment minister Dion plan an environmental strategy for the future that makes it inadequate two years later?

Doesn't say much for Liberal environment policy.

The Tories playing games? Who's running the government here?

The Liberals in opposition are trying to set the agenda, thinking they're still running the government.

Sorry,you'll have to win an election to do that.

No, it doesn't. It was a poor plan as I have mentioned many times.

Exactly. Who is running the government? It would seem that the Tories had no plan beyond the spring. Stalling just makes them look ineffective and if they feel the Opposition is holding them back, they should call an election. Otherwise, stop whining.

In 2005 the Libs were running the government, and thus would "face the music" on any damage done to the economy. The reason they're trying to foist a beefed up plan now is twofold:

1. To make the CPC look anti-environment; and
   
2. To creat a plan which would damage the economy, so that the voters would take it out on the CPC.
   

[B. Max]

What is the Liberal Plan to reduce Greenhouse Gas Emissions?

What is the Liberal Plan on National Daycare?

What is the Liberal Plan to solve our deteriorating health care system?

<dead silence>

Same as the PC's. Bleed you for every last cent you have.

[B. Max]

The reason they're trying to foist a beefed up plan now is twofold:

1. To make the CPC look anti-environment; and
   
2. To creat a plan which would damage the economy, so that the voters would take it out on the CPC.
   

Exactly, and the PC's fell for it hook line and sinker thinking they would get votes in Quebec and Ont. But it all backfired on them and they are losing support in the west and in Ont where meetings are being held to look into restarting reform. I will predict that Harper is finished in the west and most likely so is Stelmack. The perfect political storm is forming. The kind that sweeps political parties out of existance for ever.

[jdobbin]

In 2005 the Libs were running the government, and thus would "face the music" on any damage done to the economy. The reason they're trying to foist a beefed up plan now is twofold:

1. To make the CPC look anti-environment; and
   
2. To creat a plan which would damage the economy, so that the voters would take it out on the CPC.
   

The public pressure to meet Kyoto would be the same whether the Liberals or Conservatives were in place.

You want to be angry for somebody bending to Kyoto, blame the Tories. They could have called an election and didn't.

[speaker]

Exactly, and the PC's fell for it hook line and sinker thinking they would get votes in Quebec and Ont. But it all backfired on them and they are losing support in the west and in Ont where meetings are being held to look into restarting reform. I will predict that Harper is finished in the west and most likely so is Stelmack. The perfect political storm is forming. The kind that sweeps political parties out of existance for ever.

It's an ill wind that blows no good. Perfect storm? who do you think would benefit, hopefully not the liberals. You don't suppose Canadians have forgotten what that party is do you? The NDP? I don't think so. That leaves the Bloc and the Greens, and maybe a revived Reform. wow could be an actual changing of the guard.

[B. Max]

who do you think would benefit, hopefully not the liberals.

In the end, Alberta secessionists.

[speaker]

Ah, the Americans then...

[B. Max]

Ah, the Americans then...

Could you name them.

[speaker]

Well I suppose you'd start with the Aarons and the Abigails but I don't see the point..

My point was that if the Alberta secessionists become the winners, then the Americans are actually going to be the winners. I think I'd rather have the bloc and the greens.

[Topaz]

The new version of the Clean Air Act brought the three opposition parties together and came up with a plan they all agreed on. Harper doesn't and it probably deals harder on Alberta's oil sands and its pollution. Since a young politician, Harper quit the Liberals because Trudeaus energy policies would hurt Alberta's oil industries and so it the same reason they don't support it now.

[jbg]

The new version of the Clean Air Act brought the three opposition parties together and came up with a plan they all agreed on.

I think with that kind of government stalemate, in your system, an election would be what the doctor ordered. Let Canadians decide if they want to paralyze their economy over Suzuki and Gore's wild ideations.