Pro-Choice in Canada and Reproductive Rights Are Working

[Catchme]

Research has also shown that where women - and young women, in particular - have access to good health care, education and employment opportunities, teen pregnancy rates decline.

"To encapsulate, we know that when adolescent women see hope for their future, they tend to take more direct, concerted action to control their reproductive health," Mr. McKay said.

Both contraception and abortion were legalized in Canada in 1969.

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The teenage pregnancy rate in Canada has hit an all-time low and the teen abortion rate has fallen to its lowest level in more than a decade, according to a new report.

The number of unwanted pregnancies among adolescents and young adults has fallen principally because they are using birth control, said Alex McKay, research co-ordinator at the Sex Information and Education Council of Canada, and author of the study.

There still needs to to be better sex education, as sexually transmitted diseases such as; "chlamydia, gonorrhea and syphilis " increased.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...eandHealth/home

[guyser]

Smart kids. Good for them.

[geoffrey]

There still needs to to be better sex education, as sexually transmitted diseases such as; "chlamydia, gonorrhea and syphilis " increased.

Go to a bar and you'll find out why in about 5 minutes. It's not education, it's people that have sex with anything and everything in sight. You can tell an irresponsible kid 100 times to lock the door when they leave the house yet they likely never will learn. You can tell the same kid 100 tiems to wear a condom and it's not going to change anything.

We had lots of sex ed during school, early as grade 4. I can tell you that while safe sex is a generally accepted idea now among my generation (at least 75% of it), safe oral sex is definitely not (about 0%, likely the source of all that chlamyida, et al., you were mentioning) and people still sleep around tons. Sex ed doesn't teach much about responsibility relationships or anything like that, just how to throw on the rubber in a hurry.

There is nothing that can be done. Let people accept the consequences of their actions, STDs are just one of many. People should be paying for their treatment though, IMO, and until they are clear, their names should be publically listed as a public health danger.

I think if they can do it for people that sleep around with AIDS, why not other stuff. I'd want to know.

[Catchme]

Yes, amazing what kids can do with education and a future that is empowered eh?

If some people were not blocking education, imagine how much lower rates of unwanted pregnacies and STD's would be.

ETA: Geoffery, that is nonsense nothing can be done, the study itself and numerous others show education does ghelp in all areas, it is the uneducated that are getting the STD's

Here is a news flash too for ya, people have always slept around, they always will sleep around.

My friend always said the day would come when some would try to creat an ism based upon being disease free, a false construct, as are all other things that divide people into better than or less than.

[geoffrey]

If some people were not blocking education, imagine how much lower rates of unwanted pregnacies would be.

Strawman, who blocks it? It is in the curriculum of all Catholic and public schools in Canada.

We know you hate Bible thumping Texans, one day you'll realise though that they are Texans and we don't have the creation/evolution or abstinence/sex ed conflicts in the Canadian school system.

[sharkman]

I don't know whether this finding is because of one thing or another, but I do know this: The Canadian family is doing so badly in this department, our population is dwindling to such an extent, that our Government has been forced to allow huge amounts of immigration to stave off the repercussions they won't tell us about. A shrinking population that doesn't want to get married or start a family coupled with a baby boom generation that is set to retire and you've got trouble with a capital T.

[geoffrey]

By the way, what the hell is a reproductive right? You'd think that'd be increasing the birth rate, if we were liberalising reproduction. Something tells me these reproductive rights are an euphanism for something else.

[B. Max]

It has been a disaster. As have all the cultural Marxist social engineering experiments. It should be thrown out of the schools and those behind it arrested and jailed. Letting these perverts and abortion murderers in the schools is nothing but organized child abuse.

http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/how_no...ldren_about_sex

[geoffrey]

Be realistic, thinking your kids aren't fooling around by their mid to late teens is ignorant.

People can chose to be ignorant, or structure the situation to allow their kids to make the most responsible choices in the situations they will be in.

[B. Max]

Be realistic, thinking your kids aren't fooling around by their mid to late teens is ignorant.

People can chose to be ignorant, or structure the situation to allow their kids to make the most responsible choices in the situations they will be in.

Well there's guessing where they are leaning it.

We are announcing a new school club-`The Gay, Straight.and

anything in between.Alliance' (GSA)!!"

http://www.familyaction.org/Articles/issue...chool-clubs.htm

[geoffrey]

That's ridiculous, one little example of people gone too far and the whole system is wrong?

I was lucky enough that I learnt a ton of the sex ed stuff through my parents (while being Catholic, were very reasonable, no 'sex will kill you' talks), lots if most kids don't have that luxury though. Being sexually involved without any knowledge of the consequences of irresponsible behavoir or steps to mitigate the risk?

That's not a public health situation I really feel like paying for. The hardcore Christian types will still be the same, regardless of sex ed... I have lots of the no-sex until marriage friends that took the same sex ed classes I took... it didn't corrupt them.

Education belongs in schools, moral values belong in the home. Parents can still morally guide their children without forcing them to be ignorant of the world around them.

[B. Max]

That's ridiculous, one little example of people gone too far and the whole system is wrong?

I was lucky enough that I learnt a ton of the sex ed stuff through my parents (while being Catholic, were very reasonable, no 'sex will kill you' talks), lots if most kids don't have that luxury though. Being sexually involved without any knowledge of the consequences of irresponsible behavoir or steps to mitigate the risk?

That's not a public health situation I really feel like paying for. The hardcore Christian types will still be the same, regardless of sex ed... I have lots of the no-sex until marriage friends that took the same sex ed classes I took... it didn't corrupt them.

Education belongs in schools, moral values belong in the home. Parents can still morally guide their children without forcing them to be ignorant of the world around them.

One little example. For Christ sakes it's rampant in the schools. Yes, education belongs in the schools. Not the filth they 've dragged in the doors.

http://www.familyaction.org/Articles/issue...sing-school.htm

[geoffrey]

Or, you can live in the thought that your kids will live in a splendid Christian bubble their whole lives. Unfortunately that would be disappointing if it weren't so unrealistic.

[Black Dog]

It has been a disaster. As have all the cultural Marxist social engineering experiments. It should be thrown out of the schools and those behind it arrested and jailed. Letting these perverts and abortion murderers in the schools is nothing but organized child abuse.

I love how the evidence that sex-ed has been a disaster in Canada is an artcle from some whackjob's blog about sex ed in the UK. Way to keep your eye on the ball, champ!

It's no a coinkydink that sex education universally translates into lower rates of teen pregancy and disease, while abstinence-only programs and other states of denial, at best, delay sexual activity and increase the risks thereof.

Thing is, today, kids don't need to be taught how to have sex. They'll figure it out whether yopu like it or not. The best you can do is educate them about the consequenses and the steps they can take to keep themselves safe.

[B. Max]

Thing is, today, kids don't need to be taught how to have sex. They'll figure it out whether yopu like it or not. The best you can do is educate them about the consequenses and the steps they can take to keep themselves safe.

I wonder how they figured it out for the last few thousand years before the cultural Marxists were let into the schools with their filth. As for the British article nnd it being from another country, don't worry there are plenty of similar horror stories in this country, and what goes around comes around.

[Black Dog]

I wonder how they figured it out for the last few thousand years before the cultural Marxists were let into the schools with their filth.

Sex is filth? I feel sorry for you.

That aside, perhgaps you can tell me why countries like France, Germany and Holland, where sexuality is discussed openly and where comprehensive sex education is the norm fare better in all categories (teenage pregnancy, birth, and sexually transmitted diseases) than places where frank sex talk is a subject of controversy and political resitance (ie. England and North America). Inquiring cultural marxists want to know.

[B. Max]

I wonder how they figured it out for the last few thousand years before the cultural Marxists were let into the schools with their filth.

Sex is filth? I feel sorry for you.

That aside, perhgaps you can tell me why countries like France, Germany and Holland, where sexuality is discussed openly and where comprehensive sex education is the norm fare better in all categories (teenage pregnancy, birth, and sexually transmitted diseases) than places where frank sex talk is a subject of controversy and political resitance (ie. England and North America). Inquiring cultural marxists want to know.

No I never said that, and like the porn pushers and filth merchants you don't know the difference between sex, and what is just plain filth.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54708

[Black Dog]

I don't really give a tinker's cuss what the looney toons at WingNut Daily define as filth.

What's important is you did not answer the question.

That aside, perhaps you can tell me why countries like France, Germany and Holland, where sexuality is discussed openly and where comprehensive sex education is the norm fare better in all categories (teenage pregnancy, birth, and sexually transmitted diseases) than places where frank sex talk is a subject of controversy and political resitance (ie. England and North America). Inquiring cultural marxists want to know.

[guyser]

No I never said that, and like the porn pushers and filth merchants you don't know the difference between sex, and what is just plain filth.

Gays are filth?

[B. Max]

I don't really give a tinker's cuss what the looney toons at WingNut Daily define as filth.

What's important is you did not answer the question.

That aside, perhaps you can tell me why countries like France, Germany and Holland, where sexuality is discussed openly and where comprehensive sex education is the norm fare better in all categories (teenage pregnancy, birth, and sexually transmitted diseases) than places where frank sex talk is a subject of controversy and political resitance (ie. England and North America). Inquiring cultural marxists want to know.

How would I know. I don't know that your claim is true. That you can't tell right from wrong doesn't add any credibility to anything you say, and your slander of those who do know right from wrong only diminishes you.

[Black Dog]

How would I know. I don't know that your claim is true.

You could try pulling your nose out of WND and NewsMax for half a second and do some research on the subject? Teens in the U.S. have higher pregnancy and birth rates, greater incidence of STDs, more abortions and have sex at younger ages than their European counterparts. It's quite well documented.

That you can't tell right from wrong doesn't add any credibility to anything you say, and your slander of those who do know right from wrong only diminishes you.

And as far as i'm concerned, anyone who wants to keep kids in the dark about sex and sexuality in this day and age are not only blind, they are dangerous. In my books, that puts the moral panic freaks at your right-wing rags squarely in the wrong.

[guyser]

And as far as i'm concerned, anyone who wants to keep kids in the dark about sex and sexuality in this day and age are not only blind, they are dangerous. In my books, that puts the moral panic freaks at your right-wing rags squarely in the wrong.

By keeping the kids in the dark does however keep the panic freaks in vogue. Kind of circular really.

[B. Max]

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And as far as i'm concerned, anyone who wants to keep kids in the dark about sex and sexuality in this day and age are not only blind, they are dangerous. In my books, that puts the moral panic freaks at your right-wing rags squarely in the wrong.

Like I said before it's no secret where they are learning it, and going by what you say there are plenty of graduates for planned parenthoods abortion mills, and if that's not bad enough the filth merchants are in the schools leading kids into the dark.

[Black Dog]

Like I said before it's no secret where they are learning it, and going by what you say there are plenty of graduates for planned parenthoods abortion mills, and if that's not bad enough the filth merchants are in the schools leading kids into the dark.

Hmm. According to national studies conducted by the Kaiser Family Foundation and Alan Guttmacher Institute, more than 1 in 3 U.S. school districts use abstinence-only curriculums that permits discussion of contraception only in terms of failures. Fewer than half offer information on where to get birth control (45 percent) or how to use condoms (39 percent). A smaller number mention abortion (37 percent) or sexual orientation (36 percent) as part of the curriculum. So it seems your basic premise (that evil evil sex ed is rampant) is incorrect. Given the failure of this type of education to reduce teen prganancies and abortions, it also seems like its the people who don't want effective comprehensive sex ed in schools are the one's providing grist for the "abortion mills". That means you and your ilk.

I'm curious what kind of sex ed kids would get in B. Max land.

[B. Max]

I'm curious what kind of sex ed kids would get in B. Max land.

To called it sex ed is really the wrong term. The proper term for these outfits should be promotion.

http://www.thebody.com/content/art6985.html