Tamil Tiger gets granted stay in Canada

[mikedavid00]

http://www.torontosun.com/News/TorontoAndG...152870-sun.html

Basically to make a long story short.

A person who is a known terrorist is in Toronto.

Cheating welfare and collecting thousands in weflare as refugee.

His son tries to save a dying kid drowning in a creek and the son dies.

Although the son is hero, the Dad is an illegal who shouldn't be here.

Suprise supirse, due to politics, he gets to apply for perminant residence.

Does this go on in the US? China?.......... Even Sri Lanka???

No.

I tell Mr. Nadarajah to please get the **** out of Canada. GET OUT!

I can't believe we are being taken advantage of like this. I work every day to send money to Ottawa and I do *NOT* opt to have it spent on human trash like him in my opinion.

(note: please do not challenge me on facts regarding of who this person is. Read up on it yourself).

[guyser]

Basically to make a long story short.

...and to change the story.....

A person who is a known terrorist is in Toronto.

....well not a terrorist he did belong to the Tigers, fighting for independance.

Cheating welfare and collecting thousands in weflare as refugee.

....of which there is no mention of his work status in the cite you give, so I ll say he is a hard working soon to be Canuck. Welcome !

His son tries to save a dying kid drowning in a creek and the son dies.

True.....true....and I too would give hijm extra points for his sons braveness. But that is moot I guess.

Although the son is hero, the Dad is an illegal who shouldn't be here.

....who applied for appeal, and was granted one, and subsequently was granted permission to stay as we do not send people back to places they are to be killed.

Suprise supirse, due to politics, he gets to apply for perminant residence.

...of which there is not mention of in your cite....what politics?

Does this go on in the US? China?.......... Even Sri Lanka???

Yes, NO and who knows? And the point is?

I tell Mr. Nadarajah to please wipe your feet before coming into Canada. and Welcome !

Fixed it for you.

(note: please do not challenge me on facts regarding of who this person is. Read up on it yourself).

note:Please do not challenge mikedavid on the falsities he puts forward. Facts have no business being in this post.

[sharkman]

Yes, it's quite sad when known criminals are given the full services of our justice system after they LIED to get into Canda. I don't know whether this fellow is as bad as some of the gang member drug dealer immigrants we've had in Vancouver, but it's unjust for them to be able to sell their drugs and stay in Canada while they make appeal after appeal.

[normanchateau]

I don't know whether this fellow is as bad as some of the gang member drug dealer immigrants we've had in Vancouver, but it's unjust for them to be able to sell their drugs and stay in Canada while they make appeal after appeal.

I agree. You are referring I assume to Hell's Angel associate and drug dealer Omid Bayani who has managed to avoid deportation for 10 years. See story:

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/st...a39&k=53251&p=1

No doubt the new Government of Canada is working hard on preventing such abuses but I wouldn't bet on it.

They're far too busy fashioning themselves as Liberal clones. Harper has become Martin and if he hasn't, it's not for lack of trying. Of course his supporters will rationalize this sellout as something he's doing only because he has a minority...

[M.Dancer]

note:Please do not challenge mikedavid on the falsities he puts forward. Facts have no business being in this post.

So his usual collection of falsehoods and fertilizer?

[sharkman]

I agree. You are referring I assume to Hell's Angel associate and drug dealer Omid Bayani who has managed to avoid deportation for 10 years. See story:

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/st...a39&k=53251&p=1

No doubt the new Government of Canada is working hard on preventing such abuses but I wouldn't bet on it.

They're far too busy fashioning themselves as Liberal clones. Harper has become Martin and if he hasn't, it's not for lack of trying. Of course his supporters will rationalize this sellout as something he's doing only because he has a minority...

Interesting thought. Some would also say the Tories shouldn't do anything major because they don't have the mandate from the people. I don't know enough about minority governments to say either way, but these are interesting times.

[Argus]

A person who is a known terrorist is in Toronto.

....well not a terrorist he did belong to the Tigers, fighting for independance.

Would you say the same about a member of the FLQ? The Tamil Tigers are, if not the worst, very close to being the most vicious, brutal, murderous terrorist organization in the world. No one who was a member, and no one who supports them in any way, shape or form should be in this country.

[normanchateau]

I agree. You are referring I assume to Hell's Angel associate and drug dealer Omid Bayani who has managed to avoid deportation for 10 years. See story:

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/st...a39&k=53251&p=1

No doubt the new Government of Canada is working hard on preventing such abuses but I wouldn't bet on it.

They're far too busy fashioning themselves as Liberal clones. Harper has become Martin and if he hasn't, it's not for lack of trying. Of course his supporters will rationalize this sellout as something he's doing only because he has a minority...

Some would also say the Tories shouldn't do anything major because they don't have the mandate from the people.

I see no problem in principle with the Conservatives doing something major and on some issues they already have though not necessarily successfully, e.g., they revisited the issue of the definition of marriage in a failed attempt to take away the rights of lesbians to marry, they let the US keep a billion dollars in illegal duties obtained from Canadian forest companies and replaced it with an export tax even higher than the illegal duty rate, they extended the mission in Afghanistan, they taxed the income trusts, they raised personal income taxes on July 1, 2006. If they could do these things, why can't they deport foreign criminals? And if they can't or won't deport foreign criminals like Omid Bayani, why can't they develop legislation to facilitate their deportation?

[scribblet]

Only Lesbians, darn and here I thought it was all gays, at least it was only 50% ROTFL

[Keepitsimple]

The problem with illegal immigration/refugees - and especially those with a tainted background - is that they take away the opportunity for someone else to come to Canada - someone who has played by the rules - someone who will make a better Canadian than someone whose first action was to lie and whose previous actions were questionable. No matter what heart wrenching tales can be spun after they arrive, the fact is they should not be here and the honest guys on the list are the ones who suffer.

[normanchateau]

The problem with illegal immigration/refugees - and especially those with a tainted background - is that they take away the opportunity for someone else to come to Canada - someone who has played by the rules - someone who will make a better Canadian than someone whose first action was to lie and whose previous actions were questionable. No matter what heart wrenching tales can be spun after they arrive, the fact is they should not be here and the honest guys on the list are the ones who suffer.

What have the Conservatives done differently than the Liberals on this issue?

[sharkman]

Yes, that hurts legitimate immigration. There needs to be tighter laws to throw out the law breakers immediately.

[Keepitsimple]

The problem with illegal immigration/refugees - and especially those with a tainted background - is that they take away the opportunity for someone else to come to Canada - someone who has played by the rules - someone who will make a better Canadian than someone whose first action was to lie and whose previous actions were questionable. No matter what heart wrenching tales can be spun after they arrive, the fact is they should not be here and the honest guys on the list are the ones who suffer.

What have the Conservatives done differently than the Liberals on this issue?

It's a very difficult situation for the Conservatives to address in a minority parliament. If they try to do anything to modify the appeal process - that's a problem that's in addition to tightening up qualification - then they will be demonized by the opposition as "mean-spirited" and taking away peoples' rights.

Is it proper than someone who lied to get into Canada can go through an appeal process that can drag on for 10 years? It's not an exception - if you have money to pay lawyers, you can drag it out forever. And of course, the flavour of the day is to have children while the process drags on - creating "humanitarian" grounds for staying. And meanwhile. the honest, hard-working stiff is waiting on the list to get in.

Give the Conservatives a majority and I believe you'll see some common senses applied to both areas.

[normanchateau]

The problem with illegal immigration/refugees - and especially those with a tainted background - is that they take away the opportunity for someone else to come to Canada - someone who has played by the rules - someone who will make a better Canadian than someone whose first action was to lie and whose previous actions were questionable. No matter what heart wrenching tales can be spun after they arrive, the fact is they should not be here and the honest guys on the list are the ones who suffer.

What have the Conservatives done differently than the Liberals on this issue?

Give the Conservatives a majority and I believe you'll see some common senses applied to both areas.

What you are saying is that if the Conservatives had a majority they'd have different policies than they do now as a minority government. I agree with you. The difficulty for the minority Conservatives in getting that majority is that on the one hand, they have to convince nonConservatives to vote for them because they are a centrist party like the Liberals, while at the same time convincing Conservatives that the way they govern now is not how they'd govern if they had a majority.

I think it was Abraham Lincoln who said you can't fool all of the people all of the time. Stephen Harper needs to fool Conservative believers into believing that he'd be more right-of-centre if he had a majority. But he also needs to fool centrists and undecideds into believing that he'd govern like a Liberal or the equivalent if he got a majority. So far he's been successful with the former but not the latter.

[sharkman]

It's a very difficult situation for the Conservatives to address in a minority parliament. If they try to do anything to modify the appeal process - that's a problem that's in addition to tightening up qualification - then they will be demonized by the opposition as "mean-spirited" and taking away peoples' rights.

To pass any legislation as a minority, you have to get other parties' support. The crux of the matter is that the other parties are also behaving differently than they would in a majority government. They want payment for their votes and then will take credit for it. The governing party also has to tread carefully. On top of it all, the minority government gets attacked for not having a mandate. Personally, I prefer a majority government (as long as it's a Tory!), otherwise it's pretty much a lame duck.

[normanchateau]

It's a very difficult situation for the Conservatives to address in a minority parliament. If they try to do anything to modify the appeal process - that's a problem that's in addition to tightening up qualification - then they will be demonized by the opposition as "mean-spirited" and taking away peoples' rights.

To pass any legislation as a minority, you have to get other parties' support.

In other words, you are saying that the Conservatives as a majority would behave differently than they are now as a minority. That's exactly my point.

As I said before, "The difficulty for the minority Conservatives in getting that majority is that on the one hand, they have to convince nonConservatives to vote for them because they are a centrist party like the Liberals, while at the same time convincing Conservatives that the way they govern now is not how they'd govern if they had a majority.

Stephen Harper needs to fool Conservative believers into believing that he'd be more right-of-centre if he had a majority. But he also needs to fool centrists and undecideds into believing that he'd govern like a Liberal or the equivalent if he got a majority. So far he's been successful with the former but not the latter."

[mikedavid00]

But he also needs to fool centrists and undecideds into believing that he'd govern like a Liberal or the equivalent if he got a majority. So far he's been successful with the former but not the latter."

He needs to fool immigrants. This is why the CPC is not in power right now (fact).

[normanchateau]

But he also needs to fool centrists and undecideds into believing that he'd govern like a Liberal or the equivalent if he got a majority. So far he's been successful with the former but not the latter."

He needs to fool immigrants.

I believe some of his MPs are immigrants so it's not an impossible task.