stignasty Posted May 3, 2007 Report Posted May 3, 2007 Coderre made whatever point he was going to make during the Olympics. Going after Doan for the 2007 World Championships is childish and overkill. During the Olympics he made it clear that he didn't have a point. Quote "It may not be true, but it's legendary that if you're like all Americans, you know almost nothing except for your own country. Which makes you probably knowledgeable about one more country than most Canadians." - Stephen Harper
noahbody Posted May 3, 2007 Author Report Posted May 3, 2007 Shane Doan wants to put soldiers on our streets. We're not making this up. Quote
jefferiah Posted May 3, 2007 Report Posted May 3, 2007 Doan said that, as Joseph hovered around centre ice, he skated over and yelled: "Four French referees in Montreal, Cuje, figure it out." Nicholson told the committee he has known Doan for 14 years and that the player does not deserve the treatment he has received from federal politicians. He shouldn't be the captain of team Canada because of those words? Doan didn't use an epithet in referring to the refs. He accused French-Canadian refs of bias in the only French Canadian city with a team in the NHL. What the f*ck is up with Denis Coderre and why can't he let this issue die? He tried to get Doan kicked off the Olympic team. Didn't happen. He tried to stop Doan from wearing the C this year. Didn't happen. Coderre made whatever point he was going to make during the Olympics. Going after Doan for the 2007 World Championships is childish and overkill. And who has never said something like that when watching a hockey game. Hockey is pretty emotional and people get angry during the games, especially players, and nasty words get exchanged (and these words were not particularly nasty). He just accused the refs of bias, whether true or not. In every game I watch you see players getting angry with refs, coaches getting angry with refs, etc. If it were a french player who had been made captain and he had said something at an Edmonton game about the the refs being hometowners or something, we wouldnt have this at all. Quote "Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu
Argus Posted May 3, 2007 Report Posted May 3, 2007 If you had asked me last week who Shane Doan was, I would have guessed that it was a Walt Disney movie about a cowboy and his dog.But from what I can gather, many if not most of the posters on this forum would be outraged if an American hockey player had made a similar remark about Canadian referees in an Olympic match. Bullshit. We wouldn't care. It certainly wouldn't call for a parliamentary investigation. Words said in the heat of battle are largely meaningless. Besides which, the actual words he was alleged to have said "F'ing Frenchmen" which were the result of the complaint, were, according to the referee's own report, uttered by a Czech player on the Colorado Rockies. But it doesn't matter to you or the other Quebecers. Even the hint that somewhere, some Anglo is alleged to have suggested something unflattering about the noble French Canadians is cause for national uproar, hair pulling, teeth gnashing, wailing, crying and the wringing of hands. What a bunch of pathetic whiners. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Quebec Exposed Posted May 3, 2007 Report Posted May 3, 2007 I don't know how many of you have seen this file, but if you want to see just how racist the Quebecers can be then go to this link: http://quebecexposed.tripod.com/fleurdelise.pdf and look at the images from a truly shocking history book that was discovered by English parents in a Quebec school. The file is 10 pages long. The images start out dissing the natives, but scan down and you will see some pretty terrible images of where they diss the English in a very schocking way. Many people who have seen this book say that it is hate literature. And this was being taught to KIDS in Quebec. Quote
scribblet Posted May 3, 2007 Report Posted May 3, 2007 I've never before wished we had recall legislation, but I would be prepared to draft up a petition for every single useless, idiotic, pathetic MP to have the whole f-ing house booted for unanimously supporting a Parliamentary investigation into something so mind-numbingly stupid.Shane Doan is a pro hockey player in the public eye...I don't care about how this might affect him (he's a big boy and will deal with it). Similarly, I don't care about how the morale of Team Canada is affected...they are all big boys and will deal with it. I JUST WROTE A MASSIVE CHEQUE TO FINANCE THIS F--KING ASSININE BEHAVIOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think I may reconsider my opposition to joining forces with Freeman Menard... FTA Yep, watching the parliamentary committee on the shane doan "affair" is a complete waste of time and money, the libs - bloq ndp should be ashamed of themselves Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
gc1765 Posted May 3, 2007 Report Posted May 3, 2007 the libs - bloq ndp should be ashamed of themselves I love how you blame the Liberals, bloc and NDP, but not the Conservatives. No partisanship there Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Michael Bluth Posted May 3, 2007 Report Posted May 3, 2007 I love how you blame the Liberals, bloc and NDP, but not the Conservatives. No partisanship there Who are the Conservative MPs who have called for Doan to be stripped of the C? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
gc1765 Posted May 3, 2007 Report Posted May 3, 2007 Who are the Conservative MPs who have called for Doan to be stripped of the C? "A parliamentary committee yesterday passed a motion -- supported by all parties -- calling for the athletic body to explain the Doan captaincy a day after the issue was raised in the House of Commons." "Tory MP Michael Chong defended the motion yesterday in an interview with The Canadian Press, saying since the national team receives federal funding MPs have the right to interfere with its decision-making." Link Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Michael Bluth Posted May 3, 2007 Report Posted May 3, 2007 "A parliamentary committee yesterday passed a motion -- supported by all parties -- calling for the athletic body to explain the Doan captaincy a day after the issue was raised in the House of Commons.""Tory MP Michael Chong defended the motion yesterday in an interview with The Canadian Press, saying since the national team receives federal funding MPs have the right to interfere with its decision-making." Link Chong is right. Did he call for Doan to be stripped of the C? He was defending the process. He wasn't attacking Doan. Denis Coderre, Jack Layton, Gilles Duceppe and Stephane Dion all personally went after Doan. Do you see the difference? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
gc1765 Posted May 3, 2007 Report Posted May 3, 2007 Chong is right. Did he call for Doan to be stripped of the C?He was defending the process. He wasn't attacking Doan. Denis Coderre, Jack Layton, Gilles Duceppe and Stephane Dion all personally went after Doan. Do you see the difference? What does that have to do with wasting time and money on the committee? It helps to read the post I quoted to understand what I am arguing, so as to avoid strawmen. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
TheMark Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 Just signed the petition. This whole scenario is inexcusably appalling. Does anyone know where I can the names of all the MPs involved? Quote
Michael Bluth Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 What does that have to do with wasting time and money on the committee?It helps to read the post I quoted to understand what I am arguing, so as to avoid strawmen. The issue wouldn't have gone to committee if it was up to the Conservatives to make the choice. As you are completely trying to avoid the issue I take it you agree this wasn't driven by the Conservatives at all. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
gc1765 Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 The issue wouldn't have gone to committee if it was up to the Conservatives to make the choice. Then why was Michael Chong defending the motion? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Michael Bluth Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 Then why was Michael Chong defending the motion? He wasn't. He was defending the authority of Parliament. Now who is trying to set up a strawman? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
gc1765 Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 Then why was Michael Chong defending the motion? He wasn't. He was defending the authority of Parliament. Now who is trying to set up a strawman? Strawman? The Conservatives supported the bloc motion, and Michael Chong defended it. If they didn't want to waste time and money on this issue, they wouldn't have voted for it now would they? So please do explain why the Conservatives, and Michael Chong, supported the motion. If you want to avoid the question again, don't bother waiting for a response. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Michael Bluth Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 Strawman? The Conservatives supported the bloc motion, and Michael Chong defended it. If they didn't want to waste time and money on this issue, they wouldn't have voted for it now would they? So please do explain why the Conservatives, and Michael Chong, supported the motion. If you want to avoid the question again, don't bother waiting for a response. It wouldn't have gone to committee if up to the Conservatives. The motion merely asks Hockey Canada for an explanation of their decision making process in awarding Doan the 'C'. Don't have to worry about waiting for a response. You've been so quick to respond to all my other points poking holes in your 'logic'. If you don't reply, all the better. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jefferiah Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 If you had asked me last week who Shane Doan was, I would have guessed that it was a Walt Disney movie about a cowboy and his dog.But from what I can gather, many if not most of the posters on this forum would be outraged if an American hockey player had made a similar remark about Canadian referees in an Olympic match. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. I JUST WROTE A MASSIVE CHEQUE TO FINANCE THIS F--KING ASSININE BEHAVIOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!I think I may reconsider my opposition to joining forces with Freeman Menard... I'd be happy if we fixed the date of all our elections for the 30 April. I noticed that Harper has fixed the federal elections for the fall - the furtherest away from the date individuals have to file their income tax. August, given the fact that you didn't know who Shane Doan was, I can gather that maybe you dont know enough about hockey or sports in general to have figured out that people on every pro team and fans of every team complain about refs. Americans do complain about Canadian refs, and vice versa. Quote "Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu
jefferiah Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 Shane said this in the course of a hockey game to a teammate. In a hockey game there is a lot worse stuff said than that. People get into real scraps in these games. A lot of stuff happens in the heat of the moment. A hockey player making a remark to a teammate about how unfair the refs are is not a big deal. I used to play soccer and when we played in other fields sometimes I can us all remember saying similar things about the refs there. That's sports. Go to the a discussion forum for fans of any pro team the day after that team has lost a game. You will see thousands of allegations about unfair reffing. Quote "Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu
Argus Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 Then why was Michael Chong defending the motion? He wasn't. He was defending the authority of Parliament. Now who is trying to set up a strawman? Strawman? The Conservatives supported the bloc motion, and Michael Chong defended it. If they didn't want to waste time and money on this issue, they wouldn't have voted for it now would they? So please do explain why the Conservatives, and Michael Chong, supported the motion. If you want to avoid the question again, don't bother waiting for a response. The conservative supported the motion because to oppose it would open them up to being portrayed in Quebec as insensitive to the plight of the poor, downtrodden Francophone, constantly harassed and victimized by those evil bigoted Anglophone bastards. I'm sure they supported it reluctantly, but they supported it for political reasons anyway. However, the opposition did something more, they initiated it and vigorously pursued it. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
nbguyca Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 Then why was Michael Chong defending the motion? He wasn't. He was defending the authority of Parliament. Now who is trying to set up a strawman? Strawman? The Conservatives supported the bloc motion, and Michael Chong defended it. If they didn't want to waste time and money on this issue, they wouldn't have voted for it now would they? So please do explain why the Conservatives, and Michael Chong, supported the motion. If you want to avoid the question again, don't bother waiting for a response. The conservative supported the motion because to oppose it would open them up to being portrayed in Quebec as insensitive to the plight of the poor, downtrodden Francophone, constantly harassed and victimized by those evil bigoted Anglophone bastards. I'm sure they supported it reluctantly, but they supported it for political reasons anyway. However, the opposition did something more, they initiated it and vigorously pursued it. Sorry but that is crap. If the conservatives had any balls at all they would have opposed the motion and had been vocal in their opposition. They all saw this simply as a way to get their 10 second sound bite on the news. Quote
Argus Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 Then why was Michael Chong defending the motion? He wasn't. He was defending the authority of Parliament. Now who is trying to set up a strawman? Strawman? The Conservatives supported the bloc motion, and Michael Chong defended it. If they didn't want to waste time and money on this issue, they wouldn't have voted for it now would they? So please do explain why the Conservatives, and Michael Chong, supported the motion. If you want to avoid the question again, don't bother waiting for a response. The conservative supported the motion because to oppose it would open them up to being portrayed in Quebec as insensitive to the plight of the poor, downtrodden Francophone, constantly harassed and victimized by those evil bigoted Anglophone bastards. I'm sure they supported it reluctantly, but they supported it for political reasons anyway. However, the opposition did something more, they initiated it and vigorously pursued it. Sorry but that is crap. If the conservatives had any balls at all they would have opposed the motion and had been vocal in their opposition. They all saw this simply as a way to get their 10 second sound bite on the news. I'm not disagreeing with it being gutless. In fact, I said so earlier in the thread. But I think their efforts lie in trying NOT to get their faces on TV refusing to protest against the horrible injustice against the entire French people, as opposed to the opposition, eager to exploit any opportunity that arises. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jefferiah Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 Argus is 100 percent right. But I think the Tories should have voted against the ridiculous motion. Had they not, though we would be hearing outrage for a month from the other parties about how they ignored this most important of issues. Quote "Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu
jefferiah Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 Outrage over ridiculous little things is becoming commonplace in the House of Comics. The failure to mention the anniversary of the Charter the day after the Virginia Tech shootings was a so-called outrage. The backdrop used in a press conference which obstructed the view of Lester B. Pearson's glorious trophy was an outrage apparently. Calling someone a "dog" became an attack against all women. Etc, etc. Quote "Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu
stignasty Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 Doan delivers 3 goals in Team Canada win Last Updated: Friday, May 4, 2007 | 11:02 AM ET CBC Sports Shane Doan kept his focus on the ice Friday, notching a hat trick to lead Canada to its fourth straight win at the 2007 men's world hockey championship. The Phoenix Coyotes power forward scored twice early in the second period to erase a 1-0 deficit and help his team to a berth in the quarter-finals following a 6-3 win over Belarus in Russia. Quote "It may not be true, but it's legendary that if you're like all Americans, you know almost nothing except for your own country. Which makes you probably knowledgeable about one more country than most Canadians." - Stephen Harper
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