Tale of two public services

[PolyNewbie]

B.Max:Saddam had let the oil infrastructure get run down. There is no way of knowing exactly what had to be done until they could get in there and check it out out piece by piece. It would be a massive job of unknowns. Halliburton is not a monopoly but they do have the world wide resources to do the job.

BS. The problem is that Saddam Hussein had nationalized everything and prevented the multinationals & IMF from comming in and taking over his country.

The New World Order requires that the IMF take over every countries banks and that its normally public services be privatized. Its why Harper wants to privatize everything.

Canada could save itself from going broke and having a spiralling national debt, so could the USA - the governemnts could lend themselves the money at low interest and pull the economy back up by its bootstraps very easily - its even in the legislation already - but the world bankers won't let that happen because they want to wreck the countries - all countries. Our governments could create the money and lend it to the country at 0.5 % interest that way the balance could be paid off by taxpayers but we are rapidly reaching the stage where taxes won't even cover the interest on the debt owed to the Rockefekllers, Rothschilds and other international banker/ private individuals. The country pulled itself up after ww2 this way.

This way the world can be governed by private central bankers and whoever they choose. This is what David Rockefeller calls the New World Order - a world governed not by self determined governments but by world bankers. Its what Brzezinski calles the "technotronic era"

"The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values." -Zbigniew Brzezinski

B. Max you should really watch Money As Debt - its free on google and its a 47 minute cartoon. You cannot possibly understand what is going on without understanding banks and their power.

Really, this is all right out in the open - there is nothing hidden about this conspiracy. You just have to open your eyes and watch some documentaries to learn a few things that the corporate sponsored presstitutes will never tell you. You know that the media was amalgomated in the 90's - right ? Its all owned by a few corps - the same corps that profit from all the wars - you must know this right ?

[B. Max]

B.Max:Saddam had let the oil infrastructure get run down. There is no way of knowing exactly what had to be done until they could get in there and check it out out piece by piece. It would be a massive job of unknowns. Halliburton is not a monopoly but they do have the world wide resources to do the job.

BS. The problem is that Saddam Hussein had nationalized everything and prevented the multinationals & IMF from comming in and taking over his country.

Craziness.

[PolyNewbie]

Thats mainstream news - the fact that everything in Iraq is being privatized.

Check out The Open Conspiracy by HG Wells. You can download the text for that at this time. The links keep getting broken.

[B. Max]

Thats mainstream news - the fact that everything in Iraq is being privatized.

and so it should be. When something is nationalized it is the confiscation of private assets. In other words theft.

[PolyNewbie]

So the people of Iraq should pay dollars a gallon to Enron instead of pennies a gallon to their government for their oil to prevent theft. I see.

[B. Max]

So the people of Iraq should pay dollars a gallon to Enron instead of pennies a gallon to their government for their oil to prevent theft. I see.

You can't produce it for that. They should be paying market value.

[PolyNewbie]

B. Max:You can't produce it for that.

We know you can because the Iraquis were before the Americans invaded.

[B. Max]

B. Max:You can't produce it for that.

We know you can because the Iraquis were before the Americans invaded.

The only way you could do that is to have a good supply of slave labour and steal the materials needed. Or subzidise the hell out of it. Which is why the infrastructure was so badly run down.

[PolyNewbie]

B.Max:The only way you could do that is to have a good supply of slave labour and steal the materials needed. Or subzidise the hell out of it. Which is why the infrastructure was so badly run down.

The infrastructure was badly run down because the Americans bombed the hell out of it. Why is it our business to save their infrastructure ? What was the result ? - no water, electricty in may areas.

Don't let reality get in the way of your understanding of economics.

...what slave labour ?

[B. Max]

B.Max:The only way you could do that is to have a good supply of slave labour and steal the materials needed. Or subzidise the hell out of it. Which is why the infrastructure was so badly run down.

The infrastructure was badly run down because the Americans bombed the hell out of it. Why is it our business to save their infrastructure ? What was the result ? - no water, electricty in may areas.

Don't let reality get in the way of your understanding of economics.

...what slave labour ?

The Americans did not bomb the oil infrastructure. Reality won't get in your way of understanding economics and of how things are done because you have none. It takes a lot of labour to bring oil to market and lot to keep it flowing. Do you think those people work for nothing.

[PolyNewbie]

I know for a fact that they don't work for nothing and that they paid pennies a gallon - much less than us.

I don't know of any slavery used to get this oil out of the ground and I don't think it was used.

The Americans bombed everything but the oil. Saddam set the wells on fire because he knew thats why the Americans were there. They bombed the other ifrastructure throughout the 90's.

The USA (banks)doesn't want a country owning its own banks and public infrastructure. The IMF is to own it all though lending their fake money to corporations who then buy it at deep discounts. The American army is nothing more than a strong arm for the IMF. Most Americans and Canadians want the wars to be over - why do you think they are still on ? They don't represnt us.

War is for money (Platos Republic)

You would understand exactly what I am talking about if you watched The Money Masters video, Money As Debt video or read any of the 50 or so books on the topic, ten or so I have read and recommended on this forum.

There is nothing secret about this. Its just not on TV.

[B. Max]

I know for a fact that they don't work for nothing and that they paid pennies a gallon - much less than us.

Then it is heavily subsidized.

[PolyNewbie]

Then it is heavily subsidized.

By themselves ! A nationalized system can do that when it benefits the people at almost no cost !

There are no fat gloabalists raking in the profits. Things run better that way and they run to benefit the people who rightfully own the resources.

In Alberta they get 1% of the value of the oil - the fat globalists get the rest thats why we pay so much for gas.

Americans pay lots for oil because its all Rockefeller Stadard Oil - the breakup into smaller companies was just smoke and mirrors. Privatised oil would work if it could be controlled with competition laws but it didn't work that way. Rockefeller just shot unionists and did horrible things to his competitors so he could own it all.

[bush_cheney2004]

Then it is heavily subsidized.

By themselves ! A nationalized system can do that when it benefits the people at almost no cost !

There are no fat gloabalists raking in the profits. Things run better that way and they run to benefit the people who rightfully own the resources.

In Alberta they get 1% of the value of the oil - the fat globalists get the rest thats why we pay so much for gas.

Then why wasn't the resource developed by "the people" without American capital and technology? There is no free lunch....Iraq and Iran can't even refine enough oil to meet domestic consumption without externel help.

[B. Max]

Then it is heavily subsidized.

By themselves ! A nationalized system can do that when it benefits the people at almost no cost !

There are no fat gloabalists raking in the profits. Things run better that way and they run to benefit the people who rightfully own the resources.

In Alberta they get 1% of the value of the oil - the fat globalists get the rest thats why we pay so much for gas.

At no cost. Yeah right.

You don't know what you are talking about. I live in Alberta. The 1% is for the oil sands plants, and that is only until they recover their capital construction costs, then it goes to 25%.

Some facts for you.

http://www.petro-canada.ca/en/media/296.aspx

[PolyNewbie]

Then why wasn't the resource developed by "the people" without American capital and technology? There is no free lunch....Iraq and Iran can't even refine enough oil to meet domestic consumption without externel help.

They didn't need oil, the Brits came in and took over and grabbed the oil. Now they need it because they are westernized.

You really need tio learn about the non globvalist corporate version of economics. I have read lots on both.

To understand economics you need to read Krehms work and to watch The Money Masters or Money As Debt. The economics you learn in school is dictated by the banks and globalists. Its doesn't even make sense really. My eco prof warned us at the start of class about this stuff not reflecting reality but he had to teach it anyways.

How can you know about economics without knowing how a dollar comes into existence ? - which they don't teach you.

If you learn baout the banks you will see the control they have. They created hippy culture, womens rights, rock and roll, all the wars, everything. They created all the money and lent it to us at face value.

100 % of income tax in USA goes straight to the banks in return for created pieces of paper with numbers on it.

[bush_cheney2004]

They didn't need oil, the Brits came in and took over and grabbed the oil. Now they need it because they are westernized.

You really need tio learn about the non globvalist corporate version of economics. I have read lots on both.

To understand economics you need to read Krehms work and to watch The Money Masters or Money As Debt. The economics you learn in school is dictated by the banks and globalists. Its doesn't even make sense really. My eco prof warned us at the start of class about this stuff not reflecting reality but he had to teach it anyways.

How can you know about economics without knowing how a dollar comes into existence ? - which they don't teach you.

If you learn baout the banks you will see the control they have. They created hippy culture, womens rights, rock and roll, all the wars, everything. They created all the money and lent it to us at face value.

100 % of income tax in USA goes straight to the banks in return for created pieces of paper with numbers on it.

The Brits grabbed the oil in Alberta? I don't think so!

No thanks....I'm not an American wannabe...these are things for you to learn if you want to understand how the biggest goddamn economy in the world came to be.

[PolyNewbie]

The Brits grabbed the oil in Alberta? I don't think so!

I didn't say that. Standard Oil did.

No thanks....I'm not an American wannabe...these are things for you to learn if you want to understand how the biggest goddamn economy in the world came to be.

It became the biggest economy because of natural resources and a free people, not because of greedy bankers. Greedy bankers slowed it down and used it in their own interest.

[bush_cheney2004]

It became the biggest economy because of natural resources and a free people, not because of greedy bankers. Greedy bankers slowed it down and used it in their own interest.

You mean it would be even bigger if we all bartered with home grown foodstuffs and woven baskets instead of using fiat money? Amazing!

I wonder why no other economy has been as successful with your regurgitated American counter arguments, videos, DVDs, and web sites. It's been said many times....even your anti-Americanism is imported from the United States.

[ScottSA]

not anti capitalist ---- anti fascist

and I've proven that fascists have assaulted this country and taken the White House

Woody, you wouldn't know a fascist if one stomped over your face in hobnails. You're lucky to recognize your own shoes, even if you can't actually figure out how to tie them.

[PolyNewbie]

and I've proven that fascists have assaulted this country and taken the White House

Thats obvious. On a slight change of topic I have been listening to Lyndon LaRouche and his economic ideas make a lot of sense to me. It seems to me that our current fascist regimes want nothing more than total destruction of our economy. I would like to hear the reasoning for LaRouche being a fascist and the current North American regimes (the IMF) not being fascist.

[ScottSA]

... smearing good companies proves it.

WTF are they putting in your water?

reported

[ScottSA]

and I've proven that fascists have assaulted this country and taken the White House

Thats obvious. On a slight change of topic I have been listening to Lyndon LaRouche and his economic ideas make a lot of sense to me. It seems to me that our current fascist regimes want nothing more than total destruction of our economy. I would like to hear the reasoning for LaRouche being a fascist and the current North American regimes (the IMF) not being fascist.

Why is Polly able to hijack every single thread and insert a discussion straight out of Alice's wonderland? Why in God's name would "our current fascist regimes" want to destroy our economy? This unidimensional nonsense is like good spy bad spy, and belongs in a kindergarten.

Polly, please stay out of grownup threads.

[PolyNewbie]

Why is Polly able to hijack every single thread and insert a discussion straight out of Alice's wonderland? Why in God's name would "our current fascist regimes" want to destroy our economy? This unidimensional nonsense is like good spy bad spy, and belongs in a kindergarten.

The fact that the real economy is being destroyed may be one indication- manufactering ability is being exported. The national debt is growing to a point where taxation will soon not be able to pay the interest - which is the method that the IMF uses to destroy all countries. I'm not the forst one to come up with that - in fact many people believe it - I could give book names but what would be the point. ScottSA is only capable of insult, not thought.

[ScottSA]

Why is Polly able to hijack every single thread and insert a discussion straight out of Alice's wonderland? Why in God's name would "our current fascist regimes" want to destroy our economy? This unidimensional nonsense is like good spy bad spy, and belongs in a kindergarten.

The fact that the real economy is being destroyed may be one indication- manufactering ability is being exported. The national debt is growing to a point where taxation will soon not be able to pay the interest - which is the method that the IMF uses to destroy all countries. I'm not the forst one to come up with that - in fact many people believe it - I could give book names but what would be the point. ScottSA is only capable of insult, not thought.

I'm thoughting right now, and for the life of me I can't figure out the motive behind the sinister "elites" cutting off the branch they are allegedly sitting on. Why would they want to destroy the economy Polly? Can you thought up a motive? Just to be mean?