jdobbin Posted May 4, 2007 Author Report Posted May 4, 2007 And you assume they did......as for the Conservatives, I guess we'll find out soon. The weakness of the arguments, the grasping of straws in trying to find some way to say that Liberal prime ministers had taxpayer paid make-up artists is just astounding? Where are the Tories who cared about taxpayers? Where the conservatives who wanted transparency? All we get is that "the public has no right to know" or "it isn't a very big deal." Where are the Tories in the polls right now? Below the Liberals. Why? Because they have had some pretty bad days in the last weeks and they themselves are to blame for dragging things out. Simply tell the public how much is being paid for the make-up artist. Quote
gc1765 Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 Well, isn't this a crock. If you weren't wearing blinders you'd see this statement applies to jdobbin every day of the week and twice on Sundays. He starts a ton of threads and they all are attacks on Tories.Wake up g, you're all wet on this one. Well for one thing, you'll notice I never named names. I am not accusing jdobbin or anyone else specifically, nor will I. If I were wearing blinders, I'd be accusing one party and not the other, wouldn't I? Funny though that you attack only me. So who is wearing the blinders now? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
gc1765 Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 Yes. Because the Liberal spokespeople did not mention that the taxpayer *did not* pay for Chretien and Martin's sytlists.It would be to the Liberal's advantage to mention that the taxpayer *did not* pay for Chretien or Martin's stylists. So why wouldn't the mention the issue of payment for those stylists? Perhaps you have a link to where they were asked and decided not to answer? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
sharkman Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 Some people here don't see to care unless it was a Liberal or NDP in power. No kidding. The partisanship on this board makes it impossible to have an intelligent debate with certain posters. There's really no point when all they do is defend their own party no matter what. G, give your head a shake. Now look at your silly comment above. You first quote Jdobbin saying, "Some people here don't see to care unless it was a Liberal or NDP in power." Then you support it. Maybe you should read what you write. Quote
sharkman Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 Well, isn't this a crock. If you weren't wearing blinders you'd see this statement applies to jdobbin every day of the week and twice on Sundays. He starts a ton of threads and they all are attacks on Tories. Wake up g, you're all wet on this one. If you weren't such a Harper supporter, you would actually care where your taxpayer money was being spent. And this silly comment takes the cake. I care where tax payer money gets spent, and so does Canada, that's why we kicked out the Liberals! Quote
Michael Bluth Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 Perhaps you have a link to where they were asked and decided not to answer? Why? The Liberal spokespeople would have mentioned if the taxpayers weren't paying for the stylists. It is there jobs to portray the party in the best possible light. They did not offer the information. You have to ask why. Remember jdobbin was trying to say he was non-partisan. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
gc1765 Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 G, give your head a shake. Now look at your silly comment above. You first quote Jdobbin saying, "Some people here don't see to care unless it was a Liberal or NDP in power."Then you support it. Maybe you should read what you write. What on earth are you talking about? jdobbin was accusing people of being partisan and I agree. There is too much partisanship on this board. What is so hard to understand? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
jdobbin Posted May 4, 2007 Author Report Posted May 4, 2007 Well for one thing, you'll notice I never named names. I am not accusing jdobbin or anyone else specifically, nor will I. If I were wearing blinders, I'd be accusing one party and not the other, wouldn't I? Funny though that you attack only me. So who is wearing the blinders now? One of the things I hated about Liberal governments in the past was the highly centralized and secretive PMO. They were responsible for their own demise by playing their cards close to the chest all the time and eventually, they made mistakes too big to ignore. Loyal party members were put off by this behaviour and ordinary voters dropped their support. I would not accept any leader using taxpayer money to keep a make-up artist on staff. I certainly would not accept that such an expense be kept secret. I have never seen any report to indicate that taxpayers have been on the hook for this sort of thing before. Anyone who says they have seen such a report, please link it. Otherwise, it seems like a lie to justify what is happening now. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 What on earth are you talking about? jdobbin was accusing people of being partisan and I agree. There is too much partisanship on this board. What is so hard to understand? Are you trying to say this response isn't partisan? Perhaps you have a link to where they were asked and decided not to answer? The Liberals would have made it VERY CLEAR if the stylists used by Martin and Chretien were not paid for by Government money. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
gc1765 Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 Are you trying to say this response isn't partisan?Perhaps you have a link to where they were asked and decided not to answer? Trying to learn more about the situation is partisan? All I did was ask a simple question. Sooo......got that link? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
sharkman Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 G, give your head a shake. Now look at your silly comment above. You first quote Jdobbin saying, "Some people here don't see to care unless it was a Liberal or NDP in power." Then you support it. Maybe you should read what you write. What on earth are you talking about? jdobbin was accusing people of being partisan and I agree. There is too much partisanship on this board. What is so hard to understand? Is your frickin response to getting cornered to play dumb EVERY time or just once in a while. jdobbin was plainy accusing me and michael of only caring if a Lib or NDP is in power, meaning when it's conservative's in power we don't care. If you want to play stupid games, perhaps you should at least try harder. Quote
jdobbin Posted May 4, 2007 Author Report Posted May 4, 2007 What on earth are you talking about? jdobbin was accusing people of being partisan and I agree. There is too much partisanship on this board. What is so hard to understand? I certainly have not said that I'm non-partisan and defy anyone to show where I have said so on these boards. However, my partisanship certainly doesn't stay my hand on stupid Liberal or NDP policies. I came out and said how stupid Dion's remark on bringing detainees to Canada was. The hyper partisans in these forums seem to be saying: - It is no one's business what taxpayer money is being used for if Harper is using it. - The Liberals did, so we can do it. - It really isn't a big deal. Please ignore this contradiction in Harper's stance on money being used by past leaders to make them stylish. Quote
jdobbin Posted May 4, 2007 Author Report Posted May 4, 2007 Is your frickin response to getting cornered to play dumb EVERY time or just once in a while. jdobbin was plainy accusing me and michael of only caring if a Lib or NDP is in power, meaning when it's conservative's in power we don't care. If you want to play stupid games, perhaps you should at least try harder. I only know what your response has been: To brush aside the use of taxpayer money for something that is being kept off the books. Is that how you would have reacted to the situation for anyone who was in power? Quote
gc1765 Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 jdobbin was plainy accusing me and michael of only caring if a Lib or NDP is in power, meaning when it's conservative's in power we don't care. Do you care? Would you care if it were the Liberals or NDP? Be honest now... Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Michael Bluth Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 Trying to learn more about the situation is partisan? All I did was ask a simple question. Sooo......got that link? No link. What do you think of my theory that the Liberal spokespeople would have been sure to mention if Martin and Chretien's stylists hadn't been paid by taxpayers? From a non-partisan perspective doesn't it seem to make sense? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jdobbin Posted May 4, 2007 Author Report Posted May 4, 2007 Trying to learn more about the situation is partisan? All I did was ask a simple question. Sooo......got that link? I don't know that a link exists or the partisans would have found it. They accuse but lack anything to back it up other than theories that should be posted on the conspiracy threads. It should be a simply principle of fiscal conservatiism: Never hide what you spend taxpayer money and if you must spend taxpayer money, justify it. We have not seen that from the man of the hour: Harper. Quote
sharkman Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 Is your frickin response to getting cornered to play dumb EVERY time or just once in a while. jdobbin was plainy accusing me and michael of only caring if a Lib or NDP is in power, meaning when it's conservative's in power we don't care. If you want to play stupid games, perhaps you should at least try harder. I only know what your response has been: To brush aside the use of taxpayer money for something that is being kept off the books. Is that how you would have reacted to the situation for anyone who was in power? It must be heartening for Liberal supporters to see this level of focus for such a small amount of money that hasn't gone missing, unlike the Liberals, who once lost track of ONE BILLION DOLLARS!! However, for the average Joe, this is off the radar. Keep it up though, someone has to carry the torch for them in the wilderness. Quote
sharkman Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 jdobbin was plainy accusing me and michael of only caring if a Lib or NDP is in power, meaning when it's conservative's in power we don't care. Do you care? Would you care if it were the Liberals or NDP? Be honest now... No no, really. Try harder. Quote
gc1765 Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 What do you think of my theory that the Liberal spokespeople would have been sure to mention if Martin and Chretien's stylists hadn't been paid by taxpayers? From a non-partisan perspective doesn't it seem to make sense? Perhaps, but wouldn't it also make sense for Harper to come out and say that it wasn't taxpayer money? In this case, I'd say innocent until proven guilty....on BOTH sides. If someone can provide evidence if, and how much, the Liberals spent I'd be interested in seeing it. As for the Conservatives I can wait 30-some-odd days... Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
gc1765 Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 No no, really. Try harder. Is that your answer? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Michael Bluth Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 I don't know that a link exists or the partisans would have found it.They accuse but lack anything to back it up other than theories that should be posted on the conspiracy threads. It should be a simply principle of fiscal conservatiism: Never hide what you spend taxpayer money and if you must spend taxpayer money, justify it. We have not seen that from the man of the hour: Harper. Why wouldn't the Liberals make it clear their stylists weren't paid for with taxpayer money? Trivialize it all you will. Only goes to show how weak your claims of non-partisanship are. How manh times have you asked how much Harper paid his ex-stylist? Yet you call it a conspiracy to believe that Liberal PMs had taxpayers pay for their stylists? Does misrepresenting non-partisanship make you feel better? Why not be up front with what you are trying to accomplish? It is painfully obvious. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jdobbin Posted May 4, 2007 Author Report Posted May 4, 2007 No no, really. Try harder. Think we can take that as yes. Quote
jdobbin Posted May 4, 2007 Author Report Posted May 4, 2007 It must be heartening for Liberal supporters to see this level of focus for such a small amount of money that hasn't gone missing, unlike the Liberals, who once lost track of ONE BILLION DOLLARS!! However, for the average Joe, this is off the radar. Keep it up though, someone has to carry the torch for them in the wilderness. It must be heartening for Tories to see their leader not be transparent about spending taxpayer money and keeping it secret for as long as they could. Quote
jdobbin Posted May 4, 2007 Author Report Posted May 4, 2007 In this case, I'd say innocent until proven guilty....on BOTH sides. If someone can provide evidence if, and how much, the Liberals spent I'd be interested in seeing it. As for the Conservatives I can wait 30-some-odd days... It seems hard to believe that they want to string it out as long as possible. Do the hyper-partisans have an answer for that? Quote
Michael Bluth Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 It seems hard to believe that they want to string it out as long as possible. Do the hyper-partisans have an answer for that? It seems hard to believe that you feel the need to post on this issue dozens of times. Is this your idea of debate? The stylist no longer works for Harper and the deadline for providing the information still hasn't arrived. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
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