kuzadd Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...613.html?sub=AR By Zbigniew Brzezinski "The "war on terror" has created a culture of fear in America. The Bush administration's elevation of these three words into a national mantra since the horrific events of 9/11 has had a pernicious impact on American democracy, on America's psyche and on U.S. standing in the world. Using this phrase has actually undermined our ability to effectively confront the real challenges we face from fanatics who may use terrorism against us. The damage these three words have done -- a classic self-inflicted wound -- is infinitely greater than any wild dreams entertained by the fanatical perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks when they were plotting against us in distant Afghan caves. The phrase itself is meaningless. It defines neither a geographic context nor our presumed enemies. Terrorism is not an enemy but a technique of warfare -- political intimidation through the killing of unarmed non-combatants." and that culture of fear is , oh so useful, to take full advantage of the fearful!!! Who want to be taken advantage of , for there 'safety'. so many governments who took care of the 'fearful', so they would be safe. wait a minute, those were tyrannies! How quickly and foolishly people forget, especially when fear is used, over and over as a "motivator" interesting article Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
PolyNewbie Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 Brzezinski wants direct war with Russian and fears that the actions in the middle east may weaken America to the point where Russia cannot be attacked. Russia has been ejecting the banking oligarchy for a few years and wants traces of the empire out of their country and to return to nationalism. A few people like Rifat & Tarpley as well as other have explained this. Quote Support the troops. Bring them home. Let the bankers fight their own wars. www.infowars.com Watch 911 Mysteries at http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871 "By the time the people wake up to see the bars around them, the door will have already slammed shut." Texx Mars
kuzadd Posted March 26, 2007 Author Report Posted March 26, 2007 Brzezinski wants direct war with Russian and fears that the actions in the middle east may weaken America to the point where Russia cannot be attacked. Russia has been ejecting the banking oligarchy for a few years and wants traces of the empire out of their country and to return to nationalism. A few people like Rifat & Tarpley as well as other have explained this. whatever he may hope for wrt Russia? he know all the ME stuff is nonsense, given his roll in the creation of the mujahadeen (OBL) to fight Russia, stand corrected here, to bait Russia, into invading Afghanistan, way back when. did you read the article , I also liked this part "Constant reference to a "war on terror" did accomplish one major objective: It stimulated the emergence of a culture of fear. Fear obscures reason, intensifies emotions and makes it easier for demagogic politicians to mobilize the public on behalf of the policies they want to pursue. The war of choice in Iraq could never have gained the congressional support it got without the psychological linkage between the shock of 9/11 and the postulated existence of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction." It stimulated, that means brainwashed, created, encouraged, a culture of fear. FEAR makes people incapable of rational thought, incapable of looking at a situation in a realistic manner, makes you pliable and easier to manipulate. That is all quite obvious! That is why, I stay our of fear. Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
PolyNewbie Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 I did read the article, Brzezinski practically staes that 911 was an inside job without explicitly stating it. He assummed everyone he was talking to already knew it was an inside job. Its a gem. Quote Support the troops. Bring them home. Let the bankers fight their own wars. www.infowars.com Watch 911 Mysteries at http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871 "By the time the people wake up to see the bars around them, the door will have already slammed shut." Texx Mars
stignasty Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 I did read the article, Brzezinski practically staes that 911 was an inside job without explicitly stating it. He assummed everyone he was talking to already knew it was an inside job. Its a gem. Practically? Is that what he means in the second paragraph? That's where he writes "The damage these three words have done -- a classic self-inflicted wound -- is infinitely greater than any wild dreams entertained by the fanatical perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks when they were plotting against us in distant Afghan caves." Have you ever noticed how monsters under the bed disappear when you turn the lights on? Quote "It may not be true, but it's legendary that if you're like all Americans, you know almost nothing except for your own country. Which makes you probably knowledgeable about one more country than most Canadians." - Stephen Harper
kuzadd Posted March 26, 2007 Author Report Posted March 26, 2007 I did read the article, Brzezinski practically staes that 911 was an inside job without explicitly stating it. He assummed everyone he was talking to already knew it was an inside job. Its a gem. Practically? Is that what he means in the second paragraph? That's where he writes "The damage these three words have done -- a classic self-inflicted wound -- is infinitely greater than any wild dreams entertained by the fanatical perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks when they were plotting against us in distant Afghan caves." Have you ever noticed how monsters under the bed disappear when you turn the lights on? "Have you ever noticed how monsters under the bed disappear when you turn the lights on?" that can be applied to so many, in so many ways............ I especially like this part "The culture of fear is like a genie that has been let out of its bottle. It acquires a life of its own -- and can become demoralizing. America today is not the self-confident and determined nation that responded to Pearl Harbor; nor is it the America that heard from its leader, at another moment of crisis, the powerful words "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself"; nor is it the calm America that waged the Cold War with quiet persistence despite the knowledge that a real war could be initiated abruptly within minutes and prompt the death of 100 million Americans within just a few hours. We are now divided, uncertain and potentially very susceptible to panic in the event of another terrorist act in the United States itself. That is the result of five years of almost continuous national brainwashing on the subject of terror, quite unlike the more muted reactions of several other nations (Britain, Spain, Italy, Germany, Japan, to mention just a few) that also have suffered painful terrorist acts. In his latest justification for his war in Iraq, President Bush even claims absurdly that he has to continue waging it lest al-Qaeda cross the Atlantic to launch a war of terror here in the United States." perhaps it is time for people who eat this nonsense up, wholesale, and just take a look around...... to turn on the lights! Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
ScottSA Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...613.html?sub=ARBy Zbigniew Brzezinski "The "war on terror" has created a culture of fear in America. Yes, wars often do that. In fact, I can't think of a single war since...well...the sack of Babylon...that DIDN'T raise the level of fear. Or, to put in it more appropriate intellectualeze, a "culture" of fear. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 and that culture of fear is , oh so useful, to take full advantage of the fearful!!! FEAR makes people incapable of rational thought, incapable of looking at a situation in a realistic manner, makes you pliable and easier to manipulate. That is all quite obvious! Once again kuzadd, you fail to give the individual credit to sort these things out for themselves. You often sound a tad like PolyNewbie with his 'sheeple'...like only you can "see through the lies". Fear...bah. Lewis Black summed it all up the best, I thought... Lewis Black on Homeland Security: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ngWJDCHHgE Have you ever noticed how monsters under the bed disappear when you turn the lights on? Heheh...that picture of Celine Dion looked just like Freddy from Nightmare on Elm Street in the Moonlight. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The good news is that Jesus is coming back. The bad news is that he's really pissed off. ---Bob Hope Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
PolyNewbie Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 Have you ever noticed how monsters under the bed disappear when you turn the lights on? Thats only when the monsters are not real, but if you look into the Haliburton child sex trade you find thats real. The trillions that have gone missing is also real. Quote Support the troops. Bring them home. Let the bankers fight their own wars. www.infowars.com Watch 911 Mysteries at http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871 "By the time the people wake up to see the bars around them, the door will have already slammed shut." Texx Mars
ScottSA Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 The trillions that have gone missing is also real. Now we're into the "trillions"? This gets worse by the moment. Quote
PolyNewbie Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 Now we're into the "trillions"? This gets worse by the moment. Its always been like that. n Sept 10 2001 Rumsfeld announced 2.3 trillion missing from the Pentagon now its up over 3.4 trillion. You really need to give your head a shake. Quote Support the troops. Bring them home. Let the bankers fight their own wars. www.infowars.com Watch 911 Mysteries at http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871 "By the time the people wake up to see the bars around them, the door will have already slammed shut." Texx Mars
stignasty Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 The monster!! It's under my bed!!! REALLY!!!! HALIBURTON PUT IT THERE!!!!! Poly, because you're such an insider, how long do you think it will be before the men in black come for you? Quote "It may not be true, but it's legendary that if you're like all Americans, you know almost nothing except for your own country. Which makes you probably knowledgeable about one more country than most Canadians." - Stephen Harper
PolyNewbie Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 Poly, because you're such an insider Its actually right in front of you. The missing trillions havbe been reported on all mainstream stations, even CNN. Lots of mainstream sources report the child sex trading rings. You don't have to be an insider, you just have to have a brain instead of muck between your ears. Quote Support the troops. Bring them home. Let the bankers fight their own wars. www.infowars.com Watch 911 Mysteries at http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871 "By the time the people wake up to see the bars around them, the door will have already slammed shut." Texx Mars
DogOnPorch Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 Poly, because you're such an insider, how long do you think it will be before the men in black come for you? That they haven't already convinces me that PN is just a shill for the government and the Jewish bankers...paid to spread false information about the NWO in order to expose the actual tin-foil hat brigade. Anyone who disagrees is a sheep being led to the slaughter. Hey PN...how are the FEMA Death Camps coming? Smoke coming from the stacks yet??? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd just as soon not get into a discussion about Jane and her politics. I'd just as soon stick to what we're here for, the picture. ---Henry Fonda Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kuzadd Posted March 26, 2007 Author Report Posted March 26, 2007 and that culture of fear is , oh so useful, to take full advantage of the fearful!!!FEAR makes people incapable of rational thought, incapable of looking at a situation in a realistic manner, makes you pliable and easier to manipulate. That is all quite obvious! Once again kuzadd, you fail to give the individual credit to sort these things out for themselves. You often sound a tad like PolyNewbie with his 'sheeple'...like only you can "see through the lies". Fear...bah. Lewis Black summed it all up the best, I thought... Lewis Black on Homeland Security: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ngWJDCHHgE Have you ever noticed how monsters under the bed disappear when you turn the lights on? Heheh...that picture of Celine Dion looked just like Freddy from Nightmare on Elm Street in the Moonlight. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The good news is that Jesus is coming back. The bad news is that he's really pissed off. ---Bob Hope Did I write this article? Did you discuss the article? Did you discuss anything in the article? NOPE! I didn't write the article, Zbigniew Brzezinski did. I guess he is also not giving the individuals , he is writing about " credit, to sort things out for themselves." I guess he too, misses all the' rational' thoughts abounding, and the glaring lack of propaganda. lol! or maybe it was little tidbits like this "That America has become insecure and more paranoid is hardly debatable. A recent study reported that in 2003, Congress identified 160 sites as potentially important national targets for would-be terrorists. With lobbyists weighing in, by the end of that year the list had grown to 1,849; by the end of 2004, to 28,360; by 2005, to 77,769. The national database of possible targets now has some 300,000 items in it, including the Sears Tower in Chicago and an Illinois Apple and Pork Festival." (the more "terrorist" targets, the more profit making for the burgeoning "security" industry. read the article for that info) YES, the Illinois Apple and Pork Festival is an "important national target" for would be terrorists. more fear for the fearful. BTW: good attempt at a smear/name calling , always your specialty. How about a new tactic? Humour me! OH and Stay out of fear DOP!!!! I know I do! ;-) Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
DogOnPorch Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 Did you watch that Lewis Black comedy skit? Funny or what? He's definately one of my favorites these days. He talks about fear...and I agree with him. Either way, you'll grow old slower posting on music threads than trying to tell people they're somehow stupider than they really are. Granted...overall...people might be taken advantage of. But I suspect inbetween getting the kids off to school, car insurance and the post office losing your driver's licence for the second time...they just don't frickin' care. Folks adapt it seems...even to this terrorism stuff. Did I write this article? Did you discuss the article? Did you discuss anything in the article? NOPE! Temper, temper....see what I mean? That can't be good for the ol' blood pressure. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reg: If you want to join the People's Front of Judea, you have to really hate the Romans. Brian: I do! Reg: Oh yeah, how much? Brian: A lot! Reg: Right, you're in... ---Life of Brian Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
stignasty Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 I can only speak for myself, and I wasn't commenting on the original article. As far as that goes, I agree that the Bush administration used the attacks of September 11 to create a climate of fear in their desire to invade Iraq. My comments stemmed from PolyNewbie's attempt to mold the article to his own world view that "9/11 was an inside job" which I clearly disagree with and the article doesn't support. Quote "It may not be true, but it's legendary that if you're like all Americans, you know almost nothing except for your own country. Which makes you probably knowledgeable about one more country than most Canadians." - Stephen Harper
kuzadd Posted March 27, 2007 Author Report Posted March 27, 2007 Did you watch that Lewis Black comedy skit? Funny or what? He's definately one of my favorites these days. He talks about fear...and I agree with him.Either way, you'll grow old slower posting on music threads than trying to tell people they're somehow stupider than they really are. Granted...overall...people might be taken advantage of. But I suspect inbetween getting the kids off to school, car insurance and the post office losing your driver's licence for the second time...they just don't frickin' care. Folks adapt it seems...even to this terrorism stuff. Did I write this article? Did you discuss the article? Did you discuss anything in the article? NOPE! Temper, temper....see what I mean? That can't be good for the ol' blood pressure. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reg: If you want to join the People's Front of Judea, you have to really hate the Romans. Brian: I do! Reg: Oh yeah, how much? Brian: A lot! Reg: Right, you're in... ---Life of Brian whatever, same old smear. and you still didn't read the article obviously. Apparently you have blood pressure concerns? sorry to read that. maybe you could try, actually reading and discussing articles, rather then being intent on smearing/name calling, you may be able to keep your blood pressure down. Personally, I love to discuss the articles posted. Until then, I bid you farewell. Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
kuzadd Posted March 27, 2007 Author Report Posted March 27, 2007 Veer Sharma FEAR: F--FALSE E--EVIDENCE A--APPEARING R--REAL Michael Pritchard Fear is that little darkroom where negatives are developed. Byron Janis Fear breeds fear. Lactantius Where fear is present, wisdom cannot be. Edmund Burke No passion so effectually robs the mond of all its poers of acting and reasoning as fear. I like these little quotes, just thought I would share them. they seemed relevant in light of the fact the article's premise is how fear, has been used repeatedly, and has caused negative ,self-inflicted , endlessly perpetuated, damage to the people of the US. "The damage these three words have done -- a classic self-inflicted wound -- is infinitely greater than any wild dreams entertained by the fanatical perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks when they were plotting against us in distant Afghan caves." Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
ScottSA Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 "Fear is a natural response without which we would all die in the presence of danger." Me. Quote
kuzadd Posted March 27, 2007 Author Report Posted March 27, 2007 "Fear is a natural response without which we would all die in the presence of danger." Me. not always. for you can feel fear at a movie, and there is no danger. sometimes one can feel fear , as a perception, or a belief. Like, you can perceive, "someone' is going to harm you , have fear, and no one ever does. I guess that is why fear can be irrational, as you can have fear, with no real threat aimed your way?! Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
ScottSA Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 I guess that is why fear can be irrational, as you can have fear, with no real threat aimed your way?! I suppose fear can be irrational if there is no danger. But when there is a demonstrated danger, not being fearful is itself irrational, wouldn't you say? It's all very nice to pretend there's no danger, but I'll hazard a guess that you'll be in the forefront of the shrieking hysterical gaggle of commentators demanding to know why they weren't protected after the next attack hits. Quote
PolyNewbie Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 Far more people dier in car accidents than "terror". Quote Support the troops. Bring them home. Let the bankers fight their own wars. www.infowars.com Watch 911 Mysteries at http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871 "By the time the people wake up to see the bars around them, the door will have already slammed shut." Texx Mars
ScottSA Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 Far more people dier in car accidents than "terror". Quite right. Which is why people don't walk in front of cars or curl up for naps while they drive. Because they have a healthy fear of the consequences of doing so. You're far more likely to die from car accidents than lightning too, but that's no reason to prance about holding a lightning rod on a golf course in a thunder storm. Quote
PolyNewbie Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 The terror attacks are inside jobs. The attacks on 10 airliners last year turned out to be ridiculous. you can't make those bombs in a bathroom - its silly to even think so - chem process to unstable and requires special labs, acid washed glass and absolutely no vibration. The London 7/7 bombings were being rehearsed at the same time. The bus that blew up was taken off route and parked somewhere else by the police orders. 911 was an inside job - scientific fact Oswald didn't shoot Kennedy They knew about Pearl Harbour in advance They set up the Lusitania in ww1. Quote Support the troops. Bring them home. Let the bankers fight their own wars. www.infowars.com Watch 911 Mysteries at http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871 "By the time the people wake up to see the bars around them, the door will have already slammed shut." Texx Mars
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