ScottSA Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 IF AT FIRST YOU DON'T SECEDE, DON'T SECEDE SOME MORE Steyn on Books Thursday, 22 March 2007 Been following the Quebec election campaign? Me neither. A decade ago, it was epic stuff: Jean Charest had been prevailed upon to don his Captain Canada underwear and sally forth from Ottawa to slay the separatist dragon of Lucien Bouchard, or “Monsieur le President”, as a few wags began calling him in the waning days of the 1995 referendum. It’s not epic anymore: whoever wins this time round, life in Quebec will lurch on much as before. The Pequistes never lose big enough for the separatist question to be laid to rest, and the other guys never win big enough to make a difference to the province’s failed statism, moribund economy, demographic decline and appetite for federal “booty” (in M Parizeau’s phrase). http://www.steynonline.com/content/view/149/ Quote
August1991 Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 Steyn has had the same tired refrain for quite some time now. And just when Quebec politics is about to become possibly different, he no longer gets it. Instead, Steyn has become to the demographic Islamist menace what Gore has become to global warming. I wouldn't be surprised if Steyn puts together a PPT road show and starts travelling around in a bus with a film crew in tow. Meanwhile, back in Quebec, despite his occasional use of mispelt French expressions or names for credibility, Steyn doesn't know what's going on anymore. Quote
jbg Posted April 2, 2007 Report Posted April 2, 2007 It would seem to me that the 1980 Referendum should have marked the matter "settled", if indeed its sponsors shouldn't have swung from traitors' ropes as they would have SOTB. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
weaponeer Posted April 2, 2007 Report Posted April 2, 2007 It would seem to me that the 1980 Referendum should have marked the matter "settled", if indeed its sponsors shouldn't have swung from traitors' ropes as they would have SOTB. This is Canada, we appologized to them for losing:). QB has a good thing going, they scream and get whatever they want. Nobodoy has the balls to put them in their place...... Quote
seabee Posted April 2, 2007 Report Posted April 2, 2007 What would be "their place"? Submission to the Conqueror? Quote
jbg Posted April 2, 2007 Report Posted April 2, 2007 What would be "their place"? Submission to the Conqueror?Excuse my confusion. What happened at the Plains of Abraham? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
seabee Posted April 2, 2007 Report Posted April 2, 2007 What would be "their place"? Submission to the Conqueror?Excuse my confusion. What happened at the Plains of Abraham? In other words, might makes right. Back to the middle ages.... Quote
Wilber Posted April 2, 2007 Report Posted April 2, 2007 What would be "their place"? Submission to the Conqueror?Excuse my confusion. What happened at the Plains of Abraham? In other words, might makes right. Back to the middle ages.... Are we a country or are we not? Quebec should make up it's mind. Being a country within a country is not tenable indefinately. A good first step would be to stop refighting 250 year old wars between European colonial powers. It is our responsibility to deal with what they left us. Steyn may not be right up to speed on Quebec politics but he articulates what an increasing number of people in English Canada are thinking. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Peter F Posted April 2, 2007 Report Posted April 2, 2007 'Wilber: Are we a country or are we not? Quebec should make up it's mind. Being a country within a country is not tenable indefinately. Quebec did make up its mind: the Yes side won the referendum and Quebec didn't separate. Thinking Quebecers should all behave as one is silly. Just as silly as thinking everyone else should all behave as one. Democracy and Free Speach recognize that we don't all behave as one. Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
B. Max Posted April 2, 2007 Report Posted April 2, 2007 What would be "their place"? Submission to the Conqueror?Excuse my confusion. What happened at the Plains of Abraham? The french were defeated and over time they have been using corruption and blackmail to achieve what they were unable to achieve on the battle field. Quote
Wilber Posted April 2, 2007 Report Posted April 2, 2007 'Wilber: Are we a country or are we not? Quebec should make up it's mind. Being a country within a country is not tenable indefinately. Quebec did make up its mind: the Yes side won the referendum and Quebec didn't separate. Thinking Quebecers should all behave as one is silly. Just as silly as thinking everyone else should all behave as one. Democracy and Free Speach recognize that we don't all behave as one. We have had two referendums which is one too many. How many more? In or out? Make up your mind, once and for all. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
seabee Posted April 3, 2007 Report Posted April 3, 2007 The french were defeated and over time they have been using corruption and blackmail to achieve what they were unable to achieve on the battle field. Just goes to show what many other countries have already learned: Conquering is the easy part; keeping it conquered is the hard, costly, time consuming, seemingly endless part. Quote
blueblood Posted April 3, 2007 Report Posted April 3, 2007 The french were defeated and over time they have been using corruption and blackmail to achieve what they were unable to achieve on the battle field. Just goes to show what many other countries have already learned: Conquering is the easy part; keeping it conquered is the hard, costly, time consuming, seemingly endless part. Alex the Great didn't have problems keeping conquered areas in line, he treated recently conquered areas rather well and if they get unloyal then he drops the hammer, the ancient city of Thebes in Greece staged a revolt that almost broke Greece apart, Alex went in there and razed the city and sold the survivors into slavery (there weren't many survivors). After that he had no problem maintaining control of Greece. My point is there are two ways to ensuring loyalty ---> treat them well, or eliminate the problem. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
seabee Posted April 3, 2007 Report Posted April 3, 2007 Wow! The final solution! Genocide! Yeah, Canada! (for legal purposes, I am being sarcastict.) How, if and when do you intend to perpetrate an act that will be condemned by the internal community (except, of course, a few dictatorships)? Quote
Wilber Posted April 3, 2007 Report Posted April 3, 2007 If we insist on dredging up old colonial wars and referring to one of us as the conquered this relationship has no future. The US had their civil war over 100 years after the Plains of Abraham but were able to move on as one country. What's the matter with us? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
weaponeer Posted April 3, 2007 Report Posted April 3, 2007 What would be "their place"?Submission to the Conqueror? They are a prov of Canada, no more no less. They should have the same rights and entitlments as PEI, NFLD and BC. They should have the same lang laws as the rest of Canada, with the exception that French could be the primary, but there will be english signs. They are equal to all the provs..... as for your second point, submission to the strong is how the human race has always worked.... The Romans conquered the Britons, who were conquered by Anglo saxons and eventually the Normans, would conquered the French in New rance, and so on and so on..... Welcome to the race of psychotic apes... Quote
jbg Posted April 3, 2007 Report Posted April 3, 2007 Wow! The final solution! Genocide! Yeah, Canada! (for legal purposes, I am being sarcastict.) How, if and when do you intend to perpetrate an act that will be condemned by the internal community (except, of course, a few dictatorships)? I find your post both inaccurate and horrific for a bunch of reasons. First, to compare the Plains of Abraham, and what should be Canada's reasonable request for Canadians to be loyal to Canada to the Holocaust, the deliberate attempt to eliminate all traces of Jewry from the plan is horrific. The "final solution" was the "final solution", in the views of the NSDAP, to the conundrum of Jews being allowed to exist in Christian Europe, and in a Christian world. Second, I assume you meant "international" rather than "internal" (more on spelling later) for communities. I think most Canadians could give a rat's *** for what an international community comprised mostly of destitute, poorly governed, despotic Third and Fourth World and Muslim governments thinks of them. Third, to briefly addreess your other posts, are you suggesting that the US South hold a "referendum" about secession, restoring slavery (both eliminated by war) or both of them? Should Hispanic enclaves in New York City (derived from Puerto Rico, the Dominican Republic and Mexico, as well as dozens of other countries) be able to hold treasonous and disruptive "referendums" about seceding while at the same time receiving continued support from somewhere, either the US or the UN? What about the Armenians forceably incorporated into Turkey or killed? What about Kurdistan? Why is it only a Western democracy that should have to sunder itself because war was part of the equation that created it? Fourth, as for spelling, you should learn at least one of Canada's official languages. The word "internal" is misued and "sarcastict" is mis-spelled. I am quite sure this represents the overall quality of your work. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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