CBC Scores Again

[Who's Doing What?]

I think you overestimate Toronto's influence economically.

The average Calgarian makes $10k more a year than the average Torontonian. Why would you spend your marketing dollars on that city when people in Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver are far more wealthy and spending 20% more on recreation than those in Toronto. Disposable income is something Westerners statistically have a lot more of.

Sources: http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/famil107a.htm, http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/famil10a.htm

But the GTA has more people than those three areas combined. That trumps the additional disposable income.

http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/demo05a.htm

[guyser]

. Why would you spend your marketing dollars on that city when people in Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver are far more wealthy and spending 20% more on recreation than those in Toronto. Sources: http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/famil107a.htm, http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/famil10a.htm

Why? I dont know, maybe because one would like a huge market versus a small market. Your stats are correct, I have no bones about that.

But um.....Calgary is a suburb compared to TO. That skews the results, and frankly with your background you know that.

But, that is off topic.

[Michael Bluth]

Uh guys...Michael and Geoffrey.....you misunderstood the post. I was not piously talking about Toronto money (gee geoffrey thanks for THAT stat..sheesh there is much to make of that)

The reason the Corp has the Leafs on is that is what sells to the advertisers. It gets the eyeballs, ergo the games with the Leafs is what brings in the money from an advertisers perspective.

The reason the Corp has the Leafs on is they have been stuck in a Toronto-centric mindset for far too long.

The decision to cut a few Leafs games will show a commitment to Canadians across the country.

Business wants to make money. There are a lot of non-Maple Leaf fans out there with a lot of disposable income.

Something tells me the CBC won't have problems selling ads.

[geoffrey]

Idealistically, the CBC should only play games that are not commercially viable in Canada. A big market like Toronto, as everyone claims that they get lots of advertising, should be serviced by private broadcasters.

The CBC's mandate is to provide programming that improves our culture and that would not be sustainable without goverment funding. They are outside that with HNIC. It should be a private broadcast domain.

Since the CBC undercuts the entire market for commerical dollars, they should be limited only to shows that would never be commercially viable.

That is, if we don't just scrap government TV.

[guyser]

The decision to cut a few Leafs games will show a commitment to Canadians across the country.

Until the CBC starts hearing from advertisers that the clause included stating that so many eyeballs are watching will be invoked , and that means money returned.

Business wants to make money. There are a lot of non-Maple Leaf fans out there with a lot of disposable income.

Yes they do , yes there are.....but they do not connect.

Something tells me the CBC won't have problems selling ads.

Maybe not. But all will recognize that they promise so many people watching.If that doesnt happen , then the CBC is going to change things around.

[guyser]

Idealistically, the CBC should only play games that are not commercially viable in Canada. A big market like Toronto, as everyone claims that they get lots of advertising, should be serviced by private broadcasters.

The CBC through HNIC makes a ton of money. Nothing wrong with that.

Since the CBC undercuts the entire market for commerical dollars, they should be limited only to shows that would never be commercially viable.

No they dont.This was the NHL making a business move. The option for TSN was there and they could have bid over CBC , but they didnt , in part because Bettman wanted National regualr TV exposure, not cable.And to further expand on your post, if the CBC did not have HNIC, the CBC would be spending MORE money , and making those who are upset about it even more so.

[Michael Bluth]

No they dont.This was the NHL making a business move. The option for TSN was there and they could have bid over CBC , but they didnt , in part because Bettman wanted National regualr TV exposure, not cable.And to further expand on your post, if the CBC did not have HNIC, the CBC would be spending MORE money , and making those who are upset about it even more so.

Your argument is based on two faulty assumption.

#1. You assume that the CBC has to be funded by taxpayers. It would still exist in some form if cut off from the Government teat.

#2. You assume that CTV/TSN winning the rights would have shown the saturday night games on TSN. Somoething tells me they gladly would have taken the ratings on the main network.

[geoffrey]

The CBC through HNIC makes a ton of money. Nothing wrong with that.

Sure there is a lot wrong with it. It hurts private producers by undercutting their advertising prices. CBC doesn't have to charge as much because the government covers shortfalls. It takes from the private sector in order to give the government through this crown corporation more money. The CBC is a terrible burden on the media sector in Canada.

Not as bad as the CRTC, but bad.

No they dont.This was the NHL making a business move. The option for TSN was there and they could have bid over CBC , but they didnt , in part because Bettman wanted National regualr TV exposure, not cable.And to further expand on your post, if the CBC did not have HNIC, the CBC would be spending MORE money , and making those who are upset about it even more so.

TSN can't outbid CBC. CBC has the infinite pockets of the nation to draw from. TSN has a budget. CBC can make money no matter what price they pay for HNIC because the government will just fund a shortfall or they'll have to cut back on ridiculous programming, air more repeats, whatever.

TSN has to justify the cost against the adverstising dollars they would make. If the value of the contract wasn't good enough for cable TSN, then you can be assured that the CBC is operating this contract at a far lower rate of return than any other industry player would.

That means the market is being undercut by government competition. It's filthy.

[jdobbin]

That means the market is being undercut by government competition. It's filthy.

Change the business model then. Eliminate commercials from the CBC and have them exit news, sports and forbid them from buying U.S. programming.

Or simply end the CBC.

However, if you're going to target the government broadcaster, you should go after the protected commercial broadcasters as well.

[geoffrey]

I want full deregulation of the media industry. I should be able to pay to watch whatever I want to, whenever I want to. The technology exists.

The downfall is stupid Canadian content (that no one watches anyways) rules and all this funding for cultural programs and stuff like that. This also includes completely exposing the protected commerical outlets to whatever competition happens. Foreign is good, whatever, I don't care.

Why the government controls what we watch, read and listen to is a rather big unknown to me. It's time for us to have a little more choice and freedom.

[jdobbin]

I want full deregulation of the media industry. I should be able to pay to watch whatever I want to, whenever I want to. The technology exists.

The downfall is stupid Canadian content (that no one watches anyways) rules and all this funding for cultural programs and stuff like that. This also includes completely exposing the protected commerical outlets to whatever competition happens. Foreign is good, whatever, I don't care.

Why the government controls what we watch, read and listen to is a rather big unknown to me. It's time for us to have a little more choice and freedom.

I agree and said it here before. Deregulate it all. Pretty much everyone here knows of someone using an illegal satellite to bring in U.S. programming now.

[jdobbin]

Looks like the the pursuit of U.S. programming has put a damper on Canadian TV station profits.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR111796203...egoryid=14&cs=1

Profits before interest and taxes at the Canadian webs -- CTV, Global and the stations owned by Chum TV -- dropped from C$242 million ($208 million) in 2005 to $78 million in 2006,due mainly to a major increase in expenditures, notably foreign programming. The Canadian networks buy virtually all their foreign programming from Hollywood.

Expenditures rose by 7.8% while the nets' revenues remained pretty much the same.

[blueblood]

The CBC through HNIC makes a ton of money. Nothing wrong with that.

Sure there is a lot wrong with it. It hurts private producers by undercutting their advertising prices. CBC doesn't have to charge as much because the government covers shortfalls. It takes from the private sector in order to give the government through this crown corporation more money. The CBC is a terrible burden on the media sector in Canada.

Not as bad as the CRTC, but bad.

No they dont.This was the NHL making a business move. The option for TSN was there and they could have bid over CBC , but they didnt , in part because Bettman wanted National regualr TV exposure, not cable.And to further expand on your post, if the CBC did not have HNIC, the CBC would be spending MORE money , and making those who are upset about it even more so.

TSN can't outbid CBC. CBC has the infinite pockets of the nation to draw from. TSN has a budget. CBC can make money no matter what price they pay for HNIC because the government will just fund a shortfall or they'll have to cut back on ridiculous programming, air more repeats, whatever.

TSN has to justify the cost against the adverstising dollars they would make. If the value of the contract wasn't good enough for cable TSN, then you can be assured that the CBC is operating this contract at a far lower rate of return than any other industry player would.

That means the market is being undercut by government competition. It's filthy.

Look at it from the NHL perspective, they're making a lot of money from increased competition, I have no problem with the gov't competing, but I don't like it when they impose rules (CRTC). The gov't should be able to compete and if the CBC can make money from advertising good on it. I think everyone has the right to compete. Lots of other companies practice this form of undercutting, that's business. If people don't like it, then don't watch HNIC on CBC, the ratings will drop and the NHL won't renew the contract.

[Who's Doing What?]

Sure there is a lot wrong with it. It hurts private producers by undercutting their advertising prices. CBC doesn't have to charge as much because the government covers shortfalls. It takes from the private sector in order to give the government through this crown corporation more money. The CBC is a terrible burden on the media sector in Canada.

Not as bad as the CRTC, but bad.

Just how does it undercut advertising prices?

The prices are the same for everybody depending on the population reached, the popularity of the show, the time of the program and so forth.

The fact that the initial cost of CBC programs is paid for by the Govt doesn't mean they charge less per commercial. They may not get offered as much to run commercials due to lack of viewership but they undercut nothing. This is a total misconception you have going on here.

TSN can't outbid CBC. CBC has the infinite pockets of the nation to draw from. TSN has a budget. CBC can make money no matter what price they pay for HNIC because the government will just fund a shortfall or they'll have to cut back on ridiculous programming, air more repeats, whatever.

TSN has to justify the cost against the adverstising dollars they would make. If the value of the contract wasn't good enough for cable TSN, then you can be assured that the CBC is operating this contract at a far lower rate of return than any other industry player would.

That means the market is being undercut by government competition. It's filthy.

Actually if you had been following this you would know that TSN was fully expected to outbid CBC for the TV deal precisely because they were private sector and the CBC has to account to the Govt. and it's ever shrinking budget likely wouldn't allow them to match what was widely believed was going to be TSN's 1.4 billion dollar offer for a ten year deal. I had a link to a G&M article but now the damn thing needs a subcription to read it all. Oh well here it is if you do have a script and want to read it. Link

I was surprised to see they got the deal. I haven't heard an offical dollar amount yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if the NHL took slightly less money for the sake of what they feel is tradition.

I remeber when MOLSON Hockey Night in Canada was the Tradition, didn't seem to hurt switching to LABBATTS.

[fellowtraveller]

The loss of HNIC means we'll have to cough up a couple hundred million more to replace the revenue.

It is a small price to pay, really, for such stellar programming as ... well..... somebody must have an example.

I thought Little Mosque on the Prairie went into horrific viewer decline after the totally lame first few episodes?

Mosque finished with 1.2 million for the last episode which is very good for any Canadian programming. Better than most American programming as well.

Hockey Night costs a hell of lot for CBC to buy each year. CBC brings in $200 million in advertising but it has to pay quite a lot of that for the rights. The CBC would do better to let hockey go and do other things with their money.

You keep talking about "their money".

I think of it as "my money" that they are pissing away.

[Canuck E Stan]

I believe the newest revolution in broadcasting is going to put a damper on CBC and the private networks in the near future.

Internet Broadband viewing is being tried out now and I believe it will go big time.

For me it's great to be able to watch the program I like when I like.

No more waiting for 8:00 tuesday night to see a particular show(I don't have cable or a dish) just get on the internet pick the program and watch.Throw in a new bigger quality monitors to view these programs and you have great viewing.

How this will affect cable and dish companies I don't know. But half the crap you pay for no one wants, but it's part of the "package" and you have to take it.

How this will affect CBC and the networks will be interesting.I see that HNIC will be available in broadband.

[jdobbin]

You keep talking about "their money".

I think of it as "my money" that they are pissing away.

Then I suggest you draft a letter to Harper and tell him you want it done away with or else.

I've said in these forum many times that Canadians don't want Canadian television except for maybe hockey. And for that, the NHL probably could do it as Video on Demand.

[jdobbin]

I believe the newest revolution in broadcasting is going to put a damper on CBC and the private networks in the near future.

Internet Broadband viewing is being tried out now and I believe it will go big time.

For me it's great to be able to watch the program I like when I like.

No more waiting for 8:00 tuesday night to see a particular show(I don't have cable or a dish) just get on the internet pick the program and watch.Throw in a new bigger quality monitors to view these programs and you have great viewing.

How this will affect cable and dish companies I don't know. But half the crap you pay for no one wants, but it's part of the "package" and you have to take it.

How this will affect CBC and the networks will be interesting.I see that HNIC will be available in broadband.

I agree that we are in for a revolution in how TV is broadcast and viewed. The rules we make now are unenforceable when people can download them or pick them out of the air for free wherever they want and never pay a dime.

[jdobbin]

CBC Announces schedule for next season.

Cancelled shows:

http://www.cbc.ca/arts/tv/story/2007/04/04...tv-venture.html

CBC-TV has cancelled the award-winning business news and current affairs program Venture, with staff of the venerable series learning of the decision in a meeting Wednesday afternoon.

Venture, the acclaimed performing arts series Opening Night and six other shows will not be returning to the CBC-TV schedule this fall, said Jeff Keay, CBC's head of media relations.

Other cancelled programs are:

* Moving On

* Country Canada

* 72 Hours: True Crime

* Jozi-H

* Hatching, Matching & Dispatching

* Rumours

Coming back:

CBC also announced on Wednesday a handful of new additions to the TV lineup, including the star-studded new Henry VIII drama The Tudors, with Jonathan Rhys Meyers portraying the British king.

Among the programs returning to the schedule will be favourites like Marketplace, Hockey Night in Canada, and the comedy trio This Hour Has 22 Minutes, Rick Mercer Report and Royal Canadian Air Farce, as well as recent hits such as Test the Nation and Little Mosque on the Prairie.

Some reality shows for next year on CBC.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/conten...f697b773c0d0072

TORONTO -- The Canadian Broadcasting Corp. on Wednesday said it is developing a homegrown reality series with "The Amazing Race" host Phil Keoghan that will give Canadians a chance to live out their dreams.

Keoghan already collaborated on FitTV's "No Opportunity Wasted," a U.S. outdoor reality series offering 26 American contestants 72 hours and $3,000 to pursue their dreams.

[M.Dancer]

Cancelling Country Canada?

[gc1765]

"Hollywood got a taste of new Canadian TV hit Little Mosque on the Prairie Wednesday night, amid potential deals to bring the Muslim-themed sitcom to U.S. audiences."

"U.S. network representatives as well as television executives worldwide have also expressed interest in Little Mosque."

Link

[M.Dancer]

CBC TV currently has a lot of good shows to its credit:

RCAF

If the bus carring the people who write for the royal canadian airfarce plunged off a cliff, killing all on board, the show would have a 50/50 chance of being funny.

[Canuck E Stan]

CBC TV currently has a lot of good shows to its credit:

RCAF

If the bus carring the people who write for the royal canadian airfarce plunged off a cliff, killing all on board, the show would have a 50/50 chance of being funny.

And when is CBC bringing back Wayne and Shuster(time to colourize the black and white film) for a new generation to watch?

Let's not forget the Trudeau series,I haven't seen it since last year,or how about the Tommy Douglas(the one using the dramatic licence to alter the facts)series.

Somehow I think Little Mosque in the U.S. will create more anger than laughs.

[M.Dancer]

And when is CBC bringing back Wayne and Shuster(time to colourize the black and white film) for a new generation to watch?

Between you and me I will be tickled pink if they brought back Don Messer's Jubilee and Gave Rita MacNeil a job

[Canuck E Stan]

Between you and me I will be tickled pink if they brought back Don Messer's Jubilee and Gave Rita MacNeil a job

Check it out homie,like, maybe Rita could Rap with the Underground Boys, you know put the whole thing like in your face, like right now in like.... today.

Or have DJ Rita do a rendition of the Black Eyed Peas song .

My Humps

Now that would get Canadians watching CBC.