Disolve Unecessary Governments

[mcqueen625]

Much of Canada has too many redundant layers of government:

1) Local Municipal

2) Regional Municipal

3) Provincial

4) Federal

This was required decades ago before the advent of Computers.

ALL ORGANIZATIONS have down-sized since and computerizes to the max to eliminate reduntant spending on bureaucracy, except Government. It has SUPERSIZED instead into a collective maassive waste of most of the peoples money and resources making Canada the most wastefull government structure on the PLANET.

We are lucky to get 2Cents on the Dollar spent in actual delivered services we see, feel and need. The rest 98% is intentionally wasted.

Finally someone telling it like it is! Not only are the governments that you mentioned super-sized and wasteful, but every service they touch has been plagued by huge bureaucracies, including health care. We now have more pencil pushers and paper-shufflers in our hospitals than we do medical professionals and their necessary support personnel. In fact these are the very people who are charged with deciding who goes and who stays when budgets become tight. In the case of hospitals you can rest assured that when the layoffs come, the last place they will come from is in administration.

I recently read an article which cited a study done by doctors regarding the high incidents of MRSA, and these doctors contend that the high incidents of MRSA can be directly attributed to reductions in house-cleaning staff. Their conclusion is that when administration starts looking for savings the first place they look is at the bottom end of the pay scale and in most cases that happens to be in the housekeeping departments.

In my province of New Brunswick the newly elected Liberal government just introduced their first budget, and rather than tackle to fiscal shortfalls by eliminating several layers of bureaucracy, they have instead produced a budget that increases personal and business taxes, and most other fees charged by government. These people had the opportunity to do some good, but instead opted for the concept of "Big Government is somehow good for the province. Since we were already one of the most taxed provinces in Canada, I will predict that Shawn Graham will be a one hit wonder, and be defeated after one term in office. Obviously he learn nothing from the poor decisions already made by Bernard Lord before he faced defeat at the polls. Shawn promised that things would be different, but what we are getting is screwed as per usual.

[mcqueen625]

If we just reverted to two governments it wouldn't be much different. Very likely government would be bloated even more than it is now.

As one federal government there would be a need to divide the administration and government down into territories, districts, regions, and finally municipalities with over lapping jurisdictions. With less government comes less opportunity for the electorate to participate in the government, to scrutinize politics in general, or to understand how the system works, since it would be buried in layers of administrative bureaucracy. At least with the fed-prov-reg-munic. systems voters get a chance to questions some of the politicians about local issues. With a strong federal system the politicians become centralized and untouchable, which opens the door for more corruption and incompetent decisions.

Are you really naive enough to believe that the people actually get to participate now in government. Most decisions are made behind closed doors and only brought into the public to be voted on. Actual dialogue is really just a fallacy, because by the time it is discussed in public by politicians, the decisions have already been made and in the case of provinces that decision is made by the Premier in consultation business and what is good for business.

As former Finance Minister in Trudeau's cabinet was quoted as saying in his book, "The Evil Empire," he said; "If the people are naive enough to believe that government decisions are being made by our elected representatives, they are living in fantasy land." He contends that these decisions are being made by the corporate elite representing multinational corporate interests.

[madmax]

So you want to keep the Senate or Not?

The Senate should be elected and have power to represent the people.

You aren't serious about disolving unnecessary government.

Why did you even start the thread.

[madmax]

Hooray, I'm so happy to hear someone else with this opinion!!! I've been saying this for years with respect to healthcare. Healthcare specifically costs taxpayers in the neighbourhood of $7000 a year for every man, woman and child in Canada. The costs of healthcare delivery reportedly costs about $5700 per person in Canada. The difference is $1300 and is spent largely on unnecessary bureaucracy.

Did you make these figures up yourself?

[iamcanadian2]

You aren't serious about disolving unnecessary government.

Why did you even start the thread.

We have too much non-elected government and too litte elected government.

The bureacracy of government should reduced by at least 30% if not 50%. Most of government serves no purpose other than maintain its own existence.

The public gets about 2 Cents on every dollar paid back as services. The rest is overhead and pilfering by non-elected government officials who are doing all the stealing. We call it waste and mismanagement to be nice. Nice Canadian's don't call corruption by its proper name.

Any government elmininated is good and the best way to eliminate government is to increase the number of elected representatives who can act in the public interest to remove unecessary non-elected government and unecessary government functions.

[iamcanadian2]

The government must be placed on one side of the equation.

The People and their elected representatives placed on the other side.

It must become an adversarial process where the people by the force of the elected representatives take back from the government all that they take illegitimatly by their intentional wastes and intentional missmanagement.

Another important element to the equation is that the Justice system must be populated by elected justice that also represent the people's interest rather than the government and the legal profession.

Fixing these minor flaws which are critical to proper governance is the key to creating a legitimate government system in Canada for all levels.

[guyser]

Another important element to the equation is that the Justice system must be populated by elected justice that also represent the people's interest rather than the government and the legal profession.

Never in my life would I want elected Judges. The people want all sorts of screwy things that are not right .

[madmax]

The public gets about 2 Cents on every dollar paid back as services.

Do you have a source for this figure?

Any government elmininated is good and the best way to eliminate government is to increase the number of elected representatives

I don't believe Electing the Senate has any use whatsoever. And Lord Knows once they get the power to be elected, they will demand more seats for more of them, and more money too. Just abolish it.

who can act in the public interest to remove unecessary non-elected government and unecessary government functions.

We don't need more elected officials to determine personel levels of the unelected government. The current elected officials have the power to do this today. Adding another layer, like the Senate, won't change a damn thing. Stephen Harper and his Ministers can start the order to downsize today if there are unnecessary personel. Governments have done this in the past.

Disolve the unneccessary Senate. Even the NDP want this level of Government Gone.

[jenny]

How come on this forum it is OK to refer politicions as PIGS ?

[Wilber]

How come on this forum it is OK to refer politicions as PIGS ?

Good point.

[guyser]

How come on this forum it is OK to refer politicions as PIGS ?

Because there are two sets of rules here.

One for all of us, and another set for those that wear Power Ranger slippers sitting in their moms basement.

Which one are you a member of Baylee ?

[iamcanadian2]

Never in my life would I want elected Judges. The people want all sorts of screwy things that are not right .

Only a lawyer would say something like that... When were you called to the bar?

[Catchme]

Yep we should listen to someone who says this:

"Disolve Unecessary Governments"

As quite obviously they are in the know.

[jbg]

Another important element to the equation is that the Justice system must be populated by elected justice that also represent the people's interest rather than the government and the legal profession.

Never in my life would I want elected Judges. The people want all sorts of screwy things that are not right .

I'm from New York, where we have elected Judges. Trust me, it's the last thing you'd want. A felony trial that started yesterday in Brookly fo Judge Garson illustrates why. Google "Garson" and "Brooklyn".

[WestViking]

Another important element to the equation is that the Justice system must be populated by elected justice that also represent the people's interest rather than the government and the legal profession.

Never in my life would I want elected Judges. The people want all sorts of screwy things that are not right .

More importantly elected judges are looking for decisions that will get them re-elected rather than decisions that are balanced, fair and just.

[jbg]

More importantly elected judges are looking for decisions that will get them re-elected rather than decisions that are balanced, fair and just.

Actually, get them campaign donations or worse, bribes.

[guyser]

Only a lawyer would say something like that... When were you called to the bar?

Last Thursday night I was called to the bar, they wanted me to sign the credit card receipt.

I take it you can read other responses above on why this is a bad bad idea to have elected judges.

[blueblood]

Only a lawyer would say something like that... When were you called to the bar?

Last Thursday night I was called to the bar, they wanted me to sign the credit card receipt.

I take it you can read other responses above on why this is a bad bad idea to have elected judges.

What's a better way to pick judges that's honestly fair? I'd say pick them the same way they pick RCMP candidates.

[guyser]

What's a better way to pick judges that's honestly fair? I'd say pick them the same way they pick RCMP candidates.

The way it is now. What is unfair about it ?

Having elections for Judges makes it a beauty pageant. No thanks

[blueblood]

What's a better way to pick judges that's honestly fair? I'd say pick them the same way they pick RCMP candidates.

The way it is now. What is unfair about it ?

Having elections for Judges makes it a beauty pageant. No thanks

I'm not for elections in this either. I believe the current system allows for too much bias, it's more of a who you know instead of what you know. How's the screening process. I believe an RCMP style of application process would be the best way.

[jbg]

The way it is now. What is unfair about it ?

Making RCMP candidates be members of visible minority, and either Francophone or bi-lingual. No Anglophone Whites need apply.

[iamcanadian2]

The way it works today only lawyers who are not good enough to make a living as lawyers accept appoitments as judges. Good Lawyers make too much money in private practice to ever become public employees.

Judges should be elected and reflect the public interest rather than the interest of the legal profession.

Judges should be educated as judges which should require a much higher educational and ethical standards than a lawyer.

[blueblood]

The way it is now. What is unfair about it ?

Making RCMP candidates be members of visible minority, and either Francophone or bi-lingual. No Anglophone Whites need apply.

The RCMP doesn't do affirmative action anymore, my bro went in, and he's a white anglophone who doesn't speak french. It's a straight up competition now with an extensive background check, 1 in 5 applicants get in. Put judges to the same high standards or even higher and we'll get better judges. They should get a tough selection process and a "judge college" where they would all be trained the same so there wouldn't be any bias left or right of the spectrum.

[iamcanadian2]

Yea but a guy looking to be a RCMP officer has the desire to be a cop, trains to be a cop and then applies for the job.

In the case of judges, they first desire to be crooked sleezy lawyers, they train to be liers and cheaters in a legal forum, and when they can't make enough money at it or when they are too lazy to work 16 hours a day in private pratice they accept a civil servant jobs of being a Judge and let themselves be taken by crooked sleezy lawyers they always dreamed of becomming. The system here is all screwed up as a result.

Big difference in mentality.

This is why Judges should always be elected possition and in fact I would never vote for a lawyer to be a judge.

[guyser]

In the case of judges, they first desire to be crooked sleezy lawyers, they train to be liers and cheaters in a legal forum, and when they can't make enough money at it or when they are too lazy to work 16 hours a day in private pratice they accept a civil servant jobs of being a Judge and let themselves be taken by crooked sleezy lawyers they always dreamed of becomming. The system here is all screwed up as a result.

Big difference in mentality.

This is why Judges should always be elected possition and in fact I would never vote for a lawyer to be a judge.

You do present me with a conundrum...I was not sure which post should be elected as the stupidest thing I read all day ? But hey, congrats, you got first and second place.

So, my childhood friend, who is a wife mother and superlative Lawyer with a very prestigious law firm downtown is sleazy ? She will be taking a pay cut now that she is a judge.

Oh and then you leave us with your brilliance..."This is why Judges should always be elected possition and in fact I would never vote for a lawyer to be a judge"

Anger issues ....you should get on some meds.