Racism

[jbg]

First please explain your underlying premise about the "racist" policy of multiculturalism, then we can address this grand conspiracy you believe is in effect.

Everything that Canada or the US does is either racist, colonialist, Zionist or apartheidist or designed to conceal this. Multiculturalism is a fraudulent policy designed to disguise exclusivist, xenophobic and homophobic policies, so that the true nature of Western society is concealed from the immiserated proletariat.

Power to the people!!! Mao Mao Mao Tse Tung!!! Ho Ho Ho Chi Minh!!!

[BC_chick]

Let the market deal with it. I wouldn't likely go to a bar where they had a no (insert race here) policy. [...]

So that's my views on it. I've got no problem with exclusion policies. They'll go out of business or be forced to change their ways soon enough.

You're projecting your own good-nature onto others. So you wouldn't go to this bar where they have a discriminatory policy. What happens if there are many others who think it's about time such a club exists and flock to it en masse. Next thing you know this establishment becomes the hot spot in town, and now you're faced with a decision.... should you go and check it out for yourself or are you going to stand by your principals?

The difference between you and the person who belongs to the race which is being barred, is that you have the OPTION to make that decision.

It's all about choice. Exercising that choice is a different matter altogether.

You can't legislate tolerance.

No you can't. But you can legislate against discrimination.

[BC_chick]

Everything that Canada or the US does is either racist, colonialist, Zionist or apartheidist or designed to conceal this. Multiculturalism is a fraudulent policy designed to disguise exclusivist, xenophobic and homophobic policies, so that the true nature of Western society is concealed from the immiserated proletariat.

Power to the people!!! Mao Mao Mao Tse Tung!!! Ho Ho Ho Chi Minh!!!

jbg, I don't know whether to take you seriously or not.... surely it's a little too early to be that drunk..... no? LOL

[BC_chick]

jbg, I just reread my entire quote you were responding to.

LOL, got it.

[jbg]

jbg, I don't know whether to take you seriously or not.... surely it's a little too early to be that drunk..... no? LOL

You never realized I was a leftie?

[BC_chick]

You never realized I was a leftie?

You're in transition jbg, face it. You're a card-carrying Democrat who is desperately hanging by the nails to his "youthful" liberalism.

Say, how WAS that CPC convention in Montreal you were talking about?

[jbg]

You're in transition jbg, face it. You're a card-carrying Democrat who is desperately hanging by the nails to his "youthful" liberalism.

Hugo Chavez and Robert Mugabe rule!!!

Say, how WAS that CPC convention in Montreal you were talking about?

You have a good memory. Too good.

[Leafless]

Semantics again, I know, but I just need to point out......

It surprises me when people get morally outraged when they realize that they can be the victim, not just the perpetrator, of racism. Its like they are saying, "Hey, wait a minute, I'm supposed to have the upper hand here, what happened?" When you use the terms "reverse discrimination" or "reverse racism", you are implying that racism and discrimination are expected to only go one way, and it is unusual to see it coming the other way. That's simply not true. Everyone has biases, and acting on those biases (discriminating) at some point or other is common to every human. Discrimination and racism can't be "reverse", they can just be what they are; a true definition of "reverse racism" would be total inclusion and tolerance for all races.

I have no idea what you talking about.

[Leafless]

Right here in this country we have a multicultural policy entrenched in our constitution (the only country in the world to do this) that is racist against majority White English speaking Canadians.

How so?

Laws the divide people by skin colour or race or ethnicity are no better than Apartheid.

[jbg]

Say, how WAS that CPC convention in Montreal you were talking about?

I was planted there to yell curses. Specifically, I was to scream, "Bush Equals Harper, Bush is a Chimp, Down with Harper/Bush!!!" Larynxitis (sp) prevented that plan from being carried out.

[Catchme]

Right here in this country we have a multicultural policy entrenched in our constitution (the only country in the world to do this) that is racist against majority White English speaking Canadians.

How so?

Laws the divide people by skin colour or race or ethnicity are no better than Apartheid.

Okay what would those laws be that you are speaking about leafless, saying there are some, without stating what they are does not cut it?

[Melanie_]

I have no idea what you talking about.

Since I rarely can follow your logic, I guess we're even.

[jbg]

Laws the divide people by skin colour or race or ethnicity are no better than Apartheid.

Okay what would those laws be that you are speaking about leafless, saying there are some, without stating what they are does not cut it?

The OLA is not "color or race" but it's a good place to start as an example.

[Leafless]

Okay what would those laws be that you are speaking about leafless, saying there are some, without stating what they are does not cut it?

The laws I am speaking of are with in the 'Charter of Rights and Freedom's'.

1.-Official languages of Canada, including 'official bilingualism' relating to federal entities-divide on the basis of culture -a component of race.

2.-Minority Language Educational Rights- again divide on a basis of culture, when Canada is NOT 'officially bilingual'.

3. Rights of Aboriginal Peoples of Canada-again dividing on the basis of culture a component of race.

4.- Equalization And Regional Disparities-again dividing on the bases of race and culture.

Canada always did have a culture built on a thousand years of historical birthright of individual rights and principles.

To-day with 'official multiculturalism' it provides racial recognition and provides generous funding for these different racial groups to promote their old world culture, fight racism, open credit institutions, arrange cultural festivals, print their own newspapers, retain their own languages and never ONCE be told to acknowledge and respect the the principle culture in Canada.

This is racial and cultural divisiveness at its worst equating to government sponsored Apartheid.

[Catchme]

Okay what would those laws be that you are speaking about leafless, saying there are some, without stating what they are does not cut it?

The laws I am speaking of are with in the 'Charter of Rights and Freedom's'.

1.-Official languages of Canada, including 'official bilingualism' relating to federal entities-divide on the basis of culture -a component of race.

2.-Minority Language Educational Rights- again divide on a basis of culture, when Canada is NOT 'officially bilingual'.

3. Rights of Aboriginal Peoples of Canada-again dividing on the basis of culture a component of race.

4.- Equalization And Regional Disparities-again dividing on the bases of race and culture.

Canada always did have a culture built on a thousand years of historical birthright of individual rights and principles.

To-day with 'official multiculturalism' it provides racial recognition and provides generous funding for these different racial groups to promote their old world culture, fight racism, open credit institutions, arrange cultural festivals, print their own newspapers, retain their own languages and never ONCE be told to acknowledge and respect the the principle culture in Canada.

This is racial and cultural divisiveness at its worst equating to government sponsored Apartheid.

You apparently have no understanding of Apartheid. Or perhaps anything at all.

And your statement that Canada "always did have a culture built on a thousand years of historical birthright of individual rights and principles." is so off the wall, I am still laughing.

[jbg]

You apparently have no understanding of Apartheid. Or perhaps anything at all.

And your statement that Canada "always did have a culture built on a thousand years of historical birthright of individual rights and principles." is so off the wall, I am still laughing.

Canada's and the US"s culture is based upon the exploitation of the proletariat by the bourgeious.

[Leafless]

Okay what would those laws be that you are speaking about leafless, saying there are some, without stating what they are does not cut it?

The laws I am speaking of are with in the 'Charter of Rights and Freedom's'.

1.-Official languages of Canada, including 'official bilingualism' relating to federal entities-divide on the basis of culture -a component of race.

2.-Minority Language Educational Rights- again divide on a basis of culture, when Canada is NOT 'officially bilingual'.

3. Rights of Aboriginal Peoples of Canada-again dividing on the basis of culture a component of race.

4.- Equalization And Regional Disparities-again dividing on the bases of race and culture.

Canada always did have a culture built on a thousand years of historical birthright of individual rights and principles.

To-day with 'official multiculturalism' it provides racial recognition and provides generous funding for these different racial groups to promote their old world culture, fight racism, open credit institutions, arrange cultural festivals, print their own newspapers, retain their own languages and never ONCE be told to acknowledge and respect the the principle culture in Canada.

This is racial and cultural divisiveness at its worst equating to government sponsored Apartheid.

You apparently have no understanding of Apartheid. Or perhaps anything at all.

And your statement that Canada "always did have a culture built on a thousand years of historical birthright of individual rights and principles." is so off the wall, I am still laughing.

[Leafless]

You apparently have no understanding of Apartheid. Or perhaps anything at all.

And your statement that Canada "always did have a culture built on a thousand years of historical birthright of individual rights and principles." is so off the wall, I am still laughing.

Well, to satisfy your lack of understanding a technical view to what Apartheid is, notwithstanding the absence of your own definition, I will refer to the the Official Languages Act, Official Multiculturalism and the Charter as simply being PLAIN RACIST.

Your intellect concerning Canadian history is extremely shallow considering you do not even know it was the British who won Canada on the 'Plains of Abraham' not Trudeau and his band of henchmen. British history and English based law, the Magna Carta issued by King John in 1215 AD and is the foundation of Canada's Laws and Rights is what we are talking about.

Our Constitutional Monarchy whereby the King (Queen) is subject to the direction of the parliament of the people since 1649 and the beheading of King Charles. The King's death signified the Supremacy of Parliament as the supreme lawmaker and ruling authority although generations of struggle ensued before parliaments final supremacy was established.

The Parliament of Canada represents our collective will as a people, as expressed through our elected representatives.

The securing of our rights and freedoms took 800 years of sacrifice, blood, sweat and tears and a man named Pierre Trudeau spit on these rights and dictated his own.

Many Canadians will always remember this as Mr. Trudeau being a traitor to the collective will of the people which was totally ignored and changing the face of the country to a Trudeau version.

[ft.niagara]

You apparently have no understanding of Apartheid. Or perhaps anything at all.

And your statement that Canada "always did have a culture built on a thousand years of historical birthright of individual rights and principles." is so off the wall, I am still laughing.

Well, to satisfy your lack of understanding a technical view to what Apartheid is, notwithstanding the absence of your own definition, I will refer to the the Official Languages Act, Official Multiculturalism and the Charter as simply being PLAIN RACIST.

Your intellect concerning Canadian history is extremely shallow considering you do not even know it was the British who won Canada on the 'Plains of Abraham'. British history and English based law, the Magna Carta issued by King John in 1215 AD and is the foundation of Canada's Laws and Rights is what we are talking about.

Our Constitutional Monarchy whereby the King (Queen) is subject to the direction of the parliament of the people since 1649 and the beheading of King Charles. The King's death signified the Supremacy of Parliament as the supreme lawmaker and ruling authority although generations of struggle ensued before parliaments final supremacy was established.

The Parliament of Canada represents our collective will as a people, as expressed through our elected representatives.

The securing of our rights and freedoms took 800 years of sacrifice, blood, sweat and tears and a man named Pierre Trudeau spit on these rights and dictated his own.

Many Canadians will always remember this as Mr. Trudeau being a traitor to the collective will of the people which was totally ignored and changing the face of the country to a Trudeau version, a version that dictated 800 years of sacrifice destroyed.

Bravo!!!!

[jbg]

Your intellect concerning Canadian history is extremely shallow considering you do not even know it was the British who won Canada on the 'Plains of Abraham' not Trudeau and his band of henchmen. British history and English based law, the Magna Carta issued by King John in 1215 AD and is the foundation of Canada's Laws and Rights is what we are talking about.

Our Constitutional Monarchy whereby the King (Queen) is subject to the direction of the parliament of the people since 1649 and the beheading of King Charles. The King's death signified the Supremacy of Parliament as the supreme lawmaker and ruling authority although generations of struggle ensued before parliaments final supremacy was established.

The Parliament of Canada represents our collective will as a people, as expressed through our elected representatives.

The securing of our rights and freedoms took 800 years of sacrifice, blood, sweat and tears and a man named Pierre Trudeau spit on these rights and dictated his own.

Many Canadians will always remember this as Mr. Trudeau being a traitor to the collective will of the people which was totally ignored and changing the face of the country to a Trudeau version.

Your education concerning the origins of the rights both of Canadians and Americans as free people is priceless.

[BC_chick]

The Parliament of Canada represents our collective will as a people, as expressed through our elected representatives.

Actually, Parliament still represents the collective will of the will, as expressed through our elected representatives.

If what is bothering you here (which you are referring to as racist) is that all laws must adhere to the Charter, then maybe you should read the Charter. There is nothing in there but a bunch of individual rights (which were technically there before, but they are now entrenched), and also a bunch of provisions against discrimination.

A little bit of history also shows that the Queen has always had the final say in legislative matters (long before the creation of the Charter and up to and including the present), and she does not practice this right. It is nothing but a symbolic honour.

Now please explain how you come to the conclusion that entrenched provisions against discrimination are racist, and secondly, how the Queen's rights in our affairs have been revoked.

[EchoesofMourning]

Now please explain how you come to the conclusion that entrenched provisions against discrimination are racist, and secondly, how the Queen's rights in our affairs have been revoked.

In and of itself, the Charter is not racist. It contains an amendment in Section 15 however, that adds some grey area. The amendment allows for 'programs' designed to be a some sort of great equalizer - programs to make sure that everyone has the same sort of opportunities.

The problem arises when one looks at the programs themselves. Again, there is nothing wrong with offering things like scholarships to people. The problem is that these programs are obsolete, and ultimately demeaning to everyone involved.

Take, for example, the manner in which the Canadian Government treats Native people. Somewhere along the line, Native people became a burden of the state. The government hands money, land and opportunity to the group left right and center, but they are not required to pay taxes. Scholarship programs number in the hundreds for this group of people - and yet everyone always talks about how poor and 'downtrodden' they are, how they struggle to get an education.

The fact is that they are not a 'poor' or 'downtrodden' people, and there's no reason that they should have access to money, land or opportunity that is not offered to everyone. These programs are creating an entire generation of people that are growing up learning that they don't have to accomplish anything themselves, Big Brother will look after them. As a country, we are creating a generation of laziness, and it will only get worse unless something is done about it.

What I advocate is simple - if equality is the goal, then be equal. If you are going to offer a group of people anything based on their physical makeup (skin colour, heritage, etc...), then it should be offered to every group of people. If there are still going to be scholarships for Native people based on the fact that they are Native, I want to see scholarships for White people based on the fact that they are White.

[Leafless]

A little bit of history also shows that the Queen has always had the final say in legislative matters (long before the creation of the Charter and up to and including the present), and she does not practice this right. It is nothing but a symbolic honour.

Now please explain how you come to the conclusion that entrenched provisions against discrimination are racist, and secondly, how the Queen's rights in our affairs have been revoked.

First of all I must ask you to read post #43.

If you have read post #43, you should understand that this countries laws and freedom's have all been already or previously established by the British and given to us in the way of a constitution.

This is why Canadians never had to fight for this country, as the fighting had already been accomplished by the British who won Canada.

Now obviously you are asking the question, how possibly Leafless can consider the Charter a bad and racist thing? How can anyone possibly argue against Mr. Trudeau and his 'JUST SOCIETY'.

The problem is BC-chick, 'just society' means the opposite of equal opportunity. It means the FORCING of equal outcomes by law, plan, program or financial methods.

Quebecers were disadvantaged because of their language and therefore discriminated against, visible minorities were and are considered permanently disadvantaged and therefore discriminated against, homosexuals as Aboriginal are forever to be considered disadvantaged and discriminated against and other groups can be added to the list, there is no time limit.

The one group that does not appear to be discriminated upon is the White English speaking Canadian who are now DISCRIMINATED against FOREVER because of their skin colour and sex etc.

Therefore these forced racist, sexist, ethnic laws, fly in the face of our most fundamental principle and right, for ALL Canadians to be equal of every other person before and under the law which is now replaced with a Trudeau envisioned discriminating racist Charter group laws, that is not in accordance to our historic inherent legal principles, the same ones that have allowed Canada to prosper since it's beginning.

Mr. Trudeau implemented and failed his duty as a responsible PM and implemented this Charter without the moral and legal permission of the collective will of the people of Canada, thereby spitting and laughing at the collective rights of the people of Canada.

[White Doors]

What I advocate is simple - if equality is the goal, then be equal. If you are going to offer a group of people anything based on their physical makeup (skin colour, heritage, etc...), then it should be offered to every group of people. If there are still going to be scholarships for Native people based on the fact that they are Native, I want to see scholarships for White people based on the fact that they are White.

Nice! I agree 110%!

[EchoesofMourning]

Nice! I agree 110%!

Thank You! Many people do, but unfortunately most are unwilling to stick to their beliefs when the shit hits the fan.