Marijuana In Canada

[jdobbin]

I think MJ should have been decriminalized long ago. I just have trouble keeping from gagging when I hear the nonsense arguments for its legalization...sure it's not as bad as alcohol, and possibly not as harmful as tobacco, although that's debatable, but to listen to the ridiculous rhetoric from the MJ crowd, one would think it'll cure all diseases and stop all wars.

I think it should be decriminalized rather than legalized. Police resources should be used elsewhere in the drug trade.

[bush_cheney2004]

But the point is, it's a law that most Canadians feel is unnecessary, and making the enforcement of that law a priority is not going to be any advantage to Conservatives come the next election. It, in fact, plays into the stereotypes that have prevented them from forming a majority.

Right....the law is meaningless....leave those DOPERS alone! Stick to busting the Liberals for corruption and graft.

[jdobbin]

But the point is, it's a law that most Canadians feel is unnecessary, and making the enforcement of that law a priority is not going to be any advantage to Conservatives come the next election. It, in fact, plays into the stereotypes that have prevented them from forming a majority.

I think the Opposition should just point out it is a waste of resources. Decriminalizing it to something other than a felony charge means police can concentrate on trafficking in hard drugs.

[Guest coot]

Right....the law is meaningless....leave those DOPERS alone! Stick to busting the Liberals for corruption and graft.

So you wouldn't support a change in the law, but you feel enforcement should be a priority because to do otherwise would be ignoring the law. Nice ass-backwards logic. Meanwhile, home invasions are literally taking three hours for any kind of response from the police in some cities. That's just the kind of incompetent use of resources we would expect from Republicans in the U.S., but it's not what Canadians want.

[seabee]

Marijuana will never be decriminalized or legalised. Organized crime thrives from it. Legalising it would make it lose billions annually. Any politician who would be rumored to present a law to legalise pot would be killed within minutes. Any politician presenting or supporting such a law, as well as his entire family and his friends and associates, would require enormous around the clock protection by police, and possibly the army.

[Guest American Woman]

There are some places in the United States where majijuana has been decriminalized. I think it should be decriminalized everywhere.

[bush_cheney2004]

So you wouldn't support a change in the law, but you feel enforcement should be a priority because to do otherwise would be ignoring the law. Nice ass-backwards logic. Meanwhile, home invasions are literally taking three hours for any kind of response from the police in some cities. That's just the kind of incompetent use of resources we would expect from Republicans in the U.S., but it's not what Canadians want.

Then DUH!....change the law. What the hell do Americans of any political persuasion have to do with Dopers or B&E's in Canada? My only interest is in border smuggling, tunnels, terrorist funding, and related crime for Americanskis. You know, the way some Canadians whine about "American guns" growing legs and walking into Canada.

Hint...the police cannot protect you, but they will do lots of paperwork after the fact.

[jbg]

Marijuana will never be decriminalized or legalised. Organized crime thrives from it. Legalising it would make it lose billions annually. Any politician who would be rumored to present a law to legalise pot would be killed within minutes. Any politician presenting or supporting such a law, as well as his entire family and his friends and associates, would require enormous around the clock protection by police, and possibly the army.

There are some places in the United States where majijuana has been decriminalized. I think it should be decriminalized everywhere.

New York decriminalized in 1977 and the sky hasn't fallen. I'm for decriminalization.

[Guest coot]

Then DUH!....change the law.

We were well on our way to that, but unfortunately our current government has a backwards mentality that is out of step with most Canadians. I think it is in response to the equally backwards mentality of the U.S., which for some reason felt that decriminalization in Canada was a threat to them when similar laws in California and New York were not.

[Guest American Woman]

We were well on our way to that, but unfortunately our current government has a backwards mentality that is out of step with most Canadians. I think it is in response to the equally backwards mentality of the U.S., which for some reason felt that decriminalization in Canada was a threat to them when similar laws in California and New York were not.

Canada has places where marijuana is decriminalized, too-- same as in the U.S. (and it's not just in California and NY). So evidently some local governments in Canada think for themselves.

But here's the thing-- you're "blaming America" for what's happening in your country. I mention this only because some Canadians get all bent out of shape when some Americans "blame Canada;" but the blame game is a two way street.

As a side note, I seriously doubt that Canada gives a damn about what the U.S. thinks when making its laws.

Edited September 30, 2007 by American Woman

[bush_cheney2004]

We were well on our way to that, but unfortunately our current government has a backwards mentality that is out of step with most Canadians. I think it is in response to the equally backwards mentality of the U.S., which for some reason felt that decriminalization in Canada was a threat to them when similar laws in California and New York were not.

"We" were well on our way (?) but got sidetracked by a backwards mentality in the USA? If true, I think we have found the source of the problem, and it has nothing to do with dope.

Edited September 30, 2007 by bush_cheney2004

[old_bold&cold]

Soft drugs like marijuana are not the dangerous leading drugs that some make them out to be. The arguments that there are no long term usage surveys to say for sure that it is harmless is a crock. Many societies have had legalised marijuana for centuries and yes it does make peple on it more airheaded and carefree, it does not seem to be permanent. It was just recently that Methadrine was just a summary conviction, under its rating with food and drugs, but that has now changed and rightfully so. There are many more drugs that should be banned but we can not make laws for them all, and being an exbiochemist, it is just so easy to make things into designer drugs. Not that I would do it, but it would not be very hard, and anyone with basic chemistry and a curious mind could do it.

For now there are just too many people making big money off of the illeagl marijuana crops, to make a decent run at legallising this. But it is something that could one day be done, but you will find opposition just about everywhere you look. I do not smoke or do drugs, since I was a teenager, but yes if it was made legal I definitely would consider growing it and selling it, I really would not do it myself, as it just makes me too sleepy even when I was a teenager. So now I am old and sleepy a lot any way, I sure would not need help with that.

[Guest coot]

I'm not 'blaming" the U.S. for anything, but it's no secret that when the Liberals wanted to institute decriminalization, the American ambassador was whining how the U.S. did not approve and that they would tie up the border in response. Many Conservatives (including Belinda Stronach) were opposed to the initiative for this very reason.

[bush_cheney2004]

I'm not 'blaming" the U.S. for anything, but it's no secret that when the Liberals wanted to institute decriminalization, the American ambassador was whining how the U.S. did not approve and that they would tie up the border in response. Many Conservatives (including Belinda Stronach) were opposed to the initiative for this very reason.

So what? Grow some balls if you want to be "leaders" in not only decriminalization, but outright legalization. Does the "groundswell" of support care more about car parts going from Ontario to Detroit in a timely manner or Happy Tokers??

Frankly, I get bored with the whining potheads, NORML, etc. on either side of the border. Their silly ass problems with ganja are a distraction that can't even get laughs a la even Cheech and Chong anymore.

Edited September 30, 2007 by bush_cheney2004

[old_bold&cold]

So what? Grow some balls if you want to be "leaders" in not only decriminalization, but outright legalization. Does the "groundswell" of support care more about car parts going from Ontario to Detroit in a timely manner or Happy Tokers??

Frankly, I get bored with the whining potheads, NORML, etc. on either side of the border. Their silly ass problems with ganja are a distraction that can't even get laughs a la even Cheech and Chong anymore.

I do not think the USA should even care about what Canada does with this issue, but in the facts of life they will. For example Canada is blamed for allowing extremists to be here and for them trying to enter the USA. Most US citizens will say that all these people coming in from Canad is Canada's fault. When the reality is, it is the US border's job to catch and stop these people before they get in. If they do get in that is the failure of the USA in doing there jobs. It is Canada's job to stop them from coming back here to Canada etc if they do anything wrong. They may come here as visitors and go to the USA, and try to stay there as illegal immigrants, but as I said before that is not Canada's fault. But you will never get the people of the USA to agree. They still believe that the terroists that did 9/11 came into the USA from Canada, when they never set foot in Canada, and were allowed in by the USA border services and were even flight trained in the USA, by their own fight instructors. But yes sir, that is all Canada fault and our lax security. To get back on point, it is this same mind set that would blame Canada if we legalised marijuana. All marijuane in the USA would be again blame on us here in Canada. Even though Mexico is still probaly the biggest supplier to the US market. I this our goverment feared that happening more then worried about a slow down at the borders. Some times we have to let people have their little beief's even though we know they are wrong.

[bush_cheney2004]

I do not think the USA should even care about what Canada does with this issue, but in the facts of life they will. For example Canada is blamed for allowing extremists to be here and for them trying to enter the USA. Most US citizens will say that all these people coming in from Canad is Canada's fault. When the reality is, it is the US border's job to catch and stop these people before they get in. If they do get in that is the failure of the USA in doing there jobs.

They did....see Millennium Bomber. He won't be going back to Canada for another 16 years.

All marijuane in the USA would be again blame on us here in Canada. Even though Mexico is still probaly the biggest supplier to the US market. I this our goverment feared that happening more then worried about a slow down at the borders. Some times we have to let people have their little beief's even though we know they are wrong.

The Americans will stop whining as soon as Canadians stop whining about guns crossing the border all by themselves. If your government fears such a thing, then be afraid and suffer the consequences.

[Guest coot]

They did....see Millennium Bomber. He won't be going back to Canada for another 16 years.

The Americans will stop whining as soon as Canadians stop whining about guns crossing the border all by themselves. If your government fears such a thing, then be afraid and suffer the consequences.

You think it has to do with guns? I guess when you pull all your responses out of a hat, and the "Clinton did it too" response has already been neutered, there's nothing left.

[old_bold&cold]

The guns coming into Canada from the USA is Canadas fault not the USA. As I said that is our job. When we go to the USA, we stop at US customs and they do their thing. when I come back to Canada it is Canadian customs and they do their own thing. What leaks in to each country from the other is the fault of their own border security, no the other couuntries. That is what I was getting at. I do not blame the US for what comes into Canada, and the same should go for the USA. As far as the Millenium Bomber goes, I do not think Canada will accept him in 16 years, as he had not yet gotten citizenship here in Canada. So he will most likely have to go back to Lebanon or where ever he was from.

[bush_cheney2004]

You think it has to do with guns? I guess when you pull all your responses out of a hat, and the "Clinton did it too" response has already been neutered, there's nothing left.

You "neutered" yourself by jumping the gun....don't pretend to know what Americans think or do. Americans already return the favor by pretty much ignoring Canada.

[Guest coot]

You "neutered" yourself by jumping the gun....don't pretend to know what Americans think or do. Americans already return the favor by pretty much ignoring Canada.

Another canned response, even though I didn't pretend to know anything about Americans, other than referring to what the U.S. ambassador and American administration clearly said.

Do you just copy and paste your replies or do you bother to retype them, over and over?

[bush_cheney2004]

Another canned response, even though I didn't pretend to know anything about Americans, other than referring to what the U.S. ambassador and American administration clearly said.

Do you just copy and paste your replies or do you bother to retype them, over and over?

Responses to posts like yours are not much of a challenge, so boilerplate will do. As long as you keep talking about Americans this or that, you don't have a chance.

[Guest coot]

Responses to posts like yours are not much of a challenge, so boilerplate will do. As long as you keep talking about Americans this or that, you don't have a chance.

A chance against what? Someone claiming to be omniscient about all things American? Give me a break! You are obviously completely unaware that the U.S. government had a coordinated campaign to end Canada's decriminalization initiative. So all you can do is bring up completely unrelated topics like guns and the Millenium bomber. There's no point in debating with someone who clearly doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.

[bush_cheney2004]

A chance against what? Someone claiming to be omniscient about all things American? Give me a break! You are obviously completely unaware that the U.S. government had a coordinated campaign to end Canada's decriminalization initiative. So all you can do is bring up completely unrelated topics like guns and the Millenium bomber. There's no point in debating with someone who clearly doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.

Does this mean our date is over? Buh-bye!

I will go back to lurking for the next pressing Canadian Politics issue that simply must include those whacky Americans. There is no initiative to decrim ganja except in your mind. Bill C-10 decrim died a painful death before the Grits were even turfed.

Edited September 30, 2007 by bush_cheney2004

[Guest American Woman]

I'm not 'blaming" the U.S. for anything, but it's no secret that when the Liberals wanted to institute decriminalization, the American ambassador was whining how the U.S. did not approve and that they would tie up the border in response. Many Conservatives (including Belinda Stronach) were opposed to the initiative for this very reason.

I can see why Canada, when threatened regarding goods crossing the border, would be influenced by what the U.S. thinks/does, so I take back what I said earlier. This is a good ariticle about it; I'm more informed now than I was before, and can see that the U.S. definitely did play a part in it. I have to say I disapprove of the U.S. trying to strong-arm Canada into doing what it wants in matters like this.

[trex]

I can see why Canada, when threatened regarding goods crossing the border, would be influenced by what the U.S. thinks/does, so I take back what I said earlier. This is a good ariticle about it; I'm more informed now than I was before, and can see that the U.S. definitely did play a part in it. I have to say I disapprove of the U.S. trying to strong-arm Canada into doing what it wants in matters like this.

hmm, good article, american woman. thanks