Marijuana In Canada

[jbg]

After reading most of your posts KO2, I have to say I think you are blowing smoke......

To quote probably his favorite group, the Grateful Dead:

"Like a steam locomotive, rolling down the track,

He's gone, he's gone and nothing's going to bring him back"

[shavluk]

No its a big difference to you.

I cant have a beer at lunch and not be effected for hours but i can have a puff and function quite well.

After reading most of your posts KO2, I have to say I think you are blowing smoke......

Who is KO2?

Any one?

I agree with who said booze and cannabis are effective to them.

I just don't understand why you would also believe you to be the role model for every one.

I want impairment to be the rule of thumb with driving charges.

A lot of sober (well maybe on legal drugs) old people should be taken off the road for the needless accidents they cause Mr crossing guard.

yep that's it ,,,,jail us to protect us,,my what considerate thoughtful people.

[westmanguy]

It is of my belief society should keep every drug/substance that alters ones judgment/mind for a non-medical use illegal.

Therefore I also advocate the prohibition of hard liquor.

[shavluk]

It is of my belief society should keep every drug/substance that alters ones judgment/mind for a non-medical use illegal.

Therefore I also advocate the prohibition of hard liquor.

and sugar??? its mind altering

GOOD LUCK

sex is another one ,,, not going to happen

books ,,, hmmmm the bible seems to have altered a few minds ,hmm some peoples children

[Guest coot]

Therefore I also advocate the prohibition of hard liquor.

Which chapter of the Hells Angels do you belong to?

[FascistLibertarian]

I cant have a beer at lunch and not be effected for hours but i can have a puff and function quite well.

Different strokes for different folks.

try smoking the best weed you can get in canada and doing you job.

good luck!

[shavluk]

I do smoke the best in Canada ,,,, or I am sure I have at times and know what you mean.

Some have thought they had experienced strong cannabis , when really I thought it had been criminal organization pot and may have been dosed with raid quickly to get rid of mites for a fast sale or some not properly flushed of grow nutrients or moldy and to be honest I have seen all.

I am experienced and it doesn't rule my life.

Some don't chugaluga the 40 ouncer they just bought today at the liquor store ,,,,

some will die doing just that ,,,, tonight !

I just don't smoke joints and know i don't need more than a puff or two from a pipe.

I am 50 born on earth day.

But then its not about getting high for me ,oh don't get me wrong i have been high ,, I have also been stoned but that isn't as often as some would assume and like the fellow who could pack away booze at lunch , I guess I have a tolerance. I was drunk only a couple of times , once really and I never want to do that again !!!!!!!!!

Cannabis.

It does things for people that has nothing to do with being high.

Pain management and stress relief , awareness ,open mindedness , miracles.

Its all medicinal to me.

My mom is right now ,, terminal with cancer and too weak for chemo ,she was just told.

Been on going for a while. She is 70.

A very close friend ,yesterday was told his cancer has come back for the forth time and this time its in- operable as its wrapped around his brain stem ,this time ,he is 58 and a genius.

I saw him today and I many times think about the knowledge he possesses ,that dies with him.

Both of them are soooooooo conservative that they would never try cannabis,,, they would think them selves tooooooooooo weak moralled to try it ,,,sadly others I know of are in remission because they got over them selves and tried different therapy's. Imagine how I feel with what I know.

Others await trial for helping med patients find it and after operating for years servicing health Canada exemptees they are ceremoniously busted and unless they have 20,000 will do time.

Sad state of affairs in the world right now.

I await a federal election to bring renewed hope of a break through in human dna that stops the travesties I have witnessed.

[runningdog]

Which chapter of the Hells Angels do you belong to?

LOL. nice one, I was just thinking the same:)

[jdobbin]

It looks like the war on drugs like marijuana will continue.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/09/29/drug-strategy.html

Health Minister Tony Clement will announce the Conservative government's anti-drug strategy this week with a stark warning: "The party's over" for illicit drug users.

"In the next few days, we're going to be back in the business of an anti-drug strategy," Clement told The Canadian Press. "In that sense, the party's over."

Shortly after taking office early last year, the Conservatives decided not to go ahead with a Liberal bill to decriminalize small amounts of marijuana.

Since then, the number of people arrested for smoking pot has jumped dramatically in several Canadian cities, in some cases jumping by more than one third.

Toronto, Vancouver, Ottawa and Halifax all reported increases of between 20 and 50 per cent in 2006 of arrests for possession of cannabis, compared with the previous year.

As a result thousands of people were charged with an act that, under the previous Liberal government, was on the verge of being decriminalized.

[trex]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/09/29/drug-strategy.html

"The following day, a petition signed by over 130 physicians and scientists was released, condemning the Conservative government's "potentially deadly" misrepresentation of the positive evidence for harm reduction programs."

[jbg]

It looks like the war on drugs like marijuana will continue.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/09/29/drug-strategy.html

A good thing. I support, however, decriminalizing (though not legalizing) small quantities of marijuana, i.e. treating it like a traffic violation, as New York does.

I know Bush had a problem with that when Chretien proposed it; let him seal off New York from the rest of the country if he feels strongly on the issue.

[jdobbin]

A good thing. I support, however, decriminalizing (though not legalizing) small quantities of marijuana, i.e. treating it like a traffic violation, as New York does.

I know Bush had a problem with that when Chretien proposed it; let him seal off New York from the rest of the country if he feels strongly on the issue.

It looks like we'll see more arrests for people using marijuana under the Tories. I think it is a waste of police resources.

[Guest coot]

I don't think applying Republican-style drug war tactics will be very popular in Canada. The Liberals had wide popular support with thir decriminalization initiative, and building more prisons and wasting millions and millions of dollars enforcing the laws against pot smokers seems like a total waste of money. Especially since the U.S. drug war has already proven to be such a failure.

The social conservatives in this country don't have much influence outside of Alberta.

I can't see how this will do the conservative any good politically. For many, it's exactly the "scary" republicanism that people have been wary of and has prevented them from granting them a majority.

[jbg]

I don't think applying Republican-style drug war tactics will be very popular in Canada.

It may surprise you that Clinton put the kibosh on California's and Arizona's "medical marijuana" experiment, despite what appears to be some discretion in the statute. And Harper is not a Republican.

[jdobbin]

I don't think applying Republican-style drug war tactics will be very popular in Canada. The Liberals had wide popular support with thir decriminalization initiative, and building more prisons and wasting millions and millions of dollars enforcing the laws against pot smokers seems like a total waste of money. Especially since the U.S. drug war has already proven to be such a failure.

The social conservatives in this country don't have much influence outside of Alberta.

I can't see how this will do the conservative any good politically. For many, it's exactly the "scary" republicanism that people have been wary of and has prevented them from granting them a majority.

It seems a little stupid to slap felony charges on people for marijuana possession. I wonder how many of the present Tory MPs have tried it and where they might have been right now with a felony charge following them around.

[Guest coot]

If Harper isn't a Republican, he shouldn't act like one.

But my point was not to get into a BushCheney-style "Clinton did it too" argument. My point was that Canadians by and large feel it's profoundly ridiculous to use the criminal justice system to deal with marijuana use, and that giving kids a criminal record for smoking a joint is draconian at best. True, there are some who would spend countless dollars to persecute dope-smokers because they have contempt for them, but most Canadians are far more reasonable. So it won't be politically popular and won't be sending them over the top into majority territory.

[jdobbin]

It may surprise you that Clinton put the kibosh on California's and Arizona's "medical marijuana" experiment, despite what appears to be some discretion in the statute. And Harper is not a Republican.

Greenspan called Clinton the best "Republican" President last week. In some cases he was.

Nevertheless, the war on drugs originated in the Republican controlled Congress and Administration and continues today.

The first recorded war on drugs was Teddy Roosevelt and the Republican Congress pushing for and getting an International Opium Convention in 1912. In 1914, the Democrats took over and the Harrison Act brought the regulation of opiates home to the U.S.

Marijuana use, even when in palliative care, can earn you a felony charge today.

Edited September 30, 2007 by jdobbin

[Michael Bluth]

The social conservatives in this country don't have much influence outside of Alberta.

They don't have much influence inside Alberta either.

[bush_cheney2004]

Nevertheless, the war on drugs originated in the Republican controlled Congress and Administration and continues today. Marijuana use, even when in palliative care, can earn you a felony charge.

This is patently false....the USA's domestic War On Drugs beginning can be found in the late 1960's and early 1970's with a combination of actions by LBJ/Nixon and a decidedly Democratic Congress.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/cron/

It is always amusing to find some pointing at US legislation as the excuse for Canadian domestic policies. And of course, it is always fun to point out that Canadian feds scheduled cannabis as illegal years before the US.

[bush_cheney2004]

It seems a little stupid to slap felony charges on people for marijuana possession. I wonder how many of the present Tory MPs have tried it and where they might have been right now with a felony charge following them around.

Sure....possession of 100 kilograms of marijuana should be no more serious than a parking ticket. I don't know why the dopers are worried anyway...they just keep doing what they have been doing...it's not like it was legal last week, last year, or last PM.

[Guest coot]

Sure....possession of 100 kilograms of marijuana should be no more serious than a parking ticket. I don't know why the dopers are worried anyway...they just keep doing what they have been doing...it's not like it was legal last week, last year, or last PM.

Sorry to squash your "clinton did it too" argument before you got a chance to use it.

But I don't think it's the dopers who are worried. I think it's people who are concerned about limited law enforcement resources being spent on victimless crimes. I am aware of several news reports of police simply not responding to muggings in progress because they don't have the resources to deal with it. I have read of recent reports where wanted criminals have turned themselves into police stations but couldn't find a cop who had the time to arrest them. In an environment like this, it seems ridiculous to begin a campaign to make it a priority to harass people who generally don't bother anyone else.

[bush_cheney2004]

Sorry to squash your "clinton did it too" argument before you got a chance to use it.

You squashed yourself....Clinton was still a dope smoking draft dodger when the US War on Drugs began. Leave US history to those who know it because they lived it.

But I don't think it's the dopers who are worried. I think it's people who are concerned about limited law enforcement resources being spent on victimless crimes. I am aware of several news reports of police simply not responding to muggings in progress because they don't have the resources to deal with it. I have read of recent reports where wanted criminals have turned themselves into police stations but couldn't find a cop who had the time to arrest them. In an environment like this, it seems ridiculous to begin a campaign to make it a priority to harass people who generally don't bother anyone else.

It wouldn't be harassment...it would be arrest and conviction for violating the law.

[ScottSA]

I think MJ should have been decriminalized long ago. I just have trouble keeping from gagging when I hear the nonsense arguments for its legalization...sure it's not as bad as alcohol, and possibly not as harmful as tobacco, although that's debatable, but to listen to the ridiculous rhetoric from the MJ crowd, one would think it'll cure all diseases and stop all wars.

[jdobbin]

Sorry to squash your "clinton did it too" argument before you got a chance to use it.

Since Teddy Roosevelt in the 1900s (and some say even before that in the 1880s), there has been a war in the U.S. on drugs.

Canada signed its own drug legislation in 1911 with cannabis added in 1923.

I have no problem with legislation but the waste of police resources over the years made even the Secretary General of Interpol comment.

The prosecution of thousands of otherwise law-abiding citizens every year is both hypocritical and an affront to individual, civil and human rights.

Raymond Kendal, INTERPOL

Edited September 30, 2007 by jdobbin

[Guest coot]

It wouldn't be harassment...it would be arrest and conviction for violating the law.

But the point is, it's a law that most Canadians feel is unnecessary, and making the enforcement of that law a priority is not going to be any advantage to Conservatives come the next election. It, in fact, plays into the stereotypes that have prevented them from forming a majority.