Stephen Harper and the Theo-cons

[White Doors]

Yes, he believes in the elected government running the country not the courts and good for him.

[Catchme]

There are NO elected officials sitting on the judiciary panel. They are UNPAID appointees, who backed the CPC.

[Wilber]

Okay, you're obviously not paying attention to the actual discussion, so WHAT/EVER.

Actually I am. If you campaign on a platform and are elected on it, you have an obligation to at least try and carry it out. It's a simple concept.

If you campaign on a platform, presumably it reflects what you believe in.

Presumably unless you are lying, and if enough people agree with you, you get elected.

[Catchme]

Well, now we got our first high profile theo-con sitting to pick out our judiciary. Harpers theo-coness is definitely rearing it's scaley head. And she has absolutely NO qualifications other than being "Evangelical", but they are trying to sell her kidnapping as her qualifications. Wonderful!

Kidnap victim picked for judges' committee

By CAMPBELL CLARK

Saturday, February 17, 2007 – Page A15

OTTAWA -- Ottawa has named the victim of one of British Columbia's most high-profile crimes to the committee that will vet potential Superior Court judges in the province.

Cindy Kilburn, the daughter of billionaire Vancouver businessman Jim Pattison,..Ms. Kilburn has been appointed to the B.C. judicial advisory committee...

It's unclear whether Ms. Kilburn has strong views on judges. She has lived a relatively low-profile life since her kidnapping. She worked for one of her father's radio stations in the 1990s, when the station was called "The Bridge" and had a Christian-radio format, and now works for an evangelical grade school in Surrey, B.C.

Biased emotionally driven Evangelical to pick judges.

[Canadian Blue]

So, no Christian's should be allowed to serve on a committee?

I don't understand why not, shouldn't we have diversity in judges, people from all different backgrounds and walks of life.

If Harper were to appoint lets say 30% of the new judges who were proven social conservatives and theo-con's, then you have a point. But one person isn't really much to worry about.

[Catchme]

Sure it is, when you have 4 more CPC theo-cons sitting on the committee as well.

[Canadian Blue]

Can you give us links to these people and their views. I don't want to look up your argument, and in all honesty I've got better things to do then go on a wild goose chase for all of these allegations.

[Figleaf]

Okay, you're obviously not paying attention to the actual discussion, so WHAT/EVER.

Actually I am. If you campaign on a platform and are elected on it, you have an obligation to at least try and carry it out. It's a simple concept.

If you campaign on a platform, presumably it reflects what you believe in.

Presumably unless you are lying, and if enough people agree with you, you get elected.

SO, presumably, Harper really believes those elements of theocon policy he included in his platform.\

[Catchme]

Can you give us links to these people and their views. I don't want to look up your argument, and in all honesty I've got better things to do then go on a wild goose chase for all of these allegations.

Please do refrain from appearing to be put upon, as if you always had to chase stuff down, when in fact you never do. It lowers the level of discussion and is almost unworthy of a response.

Ms. Kilburn - Evangelical

Vic Toews - Evangelical

Garth Smorang - Evangelical

Chester Cunningham - A good appointee IMV

Barbara Pollock - Evangelical

W. Brent Cotter - Evangelical

Allan McEachern - nominee from the Canadian Judicial Council {though he is most likely also evangelical as well but is quiet about it}.

Joe Comartin, New Democratic Party of Canada

Anita Neville, Liberal Party of Canada Jewish

Ellen Campbell - Evangelical

Not sure who the police appointees are. But, nonetheless the tale is told by the committee stacking of Evangelicals for Harper's theo con judiciary. Talk about partisianship, and bad practices at best! 7 Evangelicals sitting on the committee.

[geoffrey]

Ms. Kilburn - Evangelical

Fine. True. But her religion is really irrelevant IMO, unless of course, you advocate eliminating religious people from public office?

Vic Toews - Evangelical

Evidence? You won't find any.

Garth Smorang - Evangelical

Are you freaking kidding me? This is one of the most qualified people we could ever ask for. Past president of the Manitoba bar association... I'm sure that makes him crraazzyy...

Your accusation here is purely BS. No evidence of being a hardline evangelical.

Barbara Pollock - Evangelical

Pure BS again. There is one reasonable area of criticism about this appointment outside of that though, but I'll let you find it.

W. Brent Cotter - Evangelical

Again, BS. One of the most education, brilliant lawyers in Canada. Your attack here is again, absolutely absurd.

Allan McEachern - nominee from the Canadian Judicial Council {though he is most likely also evangelical as well but is quiet about it}.

He was a Chief Justice of two courts!!! What the hell do you expect from these people. Again, no evidence that he's 'evangelical'

Ellen Campbell - Evangelical

She's the freakin head of the Canadian Centre for Abuse Awareness. I couldn't imagine such a qualified person on such a pressing issue currently in our justice system. Again, where is there ANY evidence that she's some radical Christian out to persecute the gays?

Your seriously so full of crap I don't even know where to begin here. Any, ANY AT ALL, evidence to back up your claims would be nice. I count 1 evangelical, not 7. Your credibility is slipping unless you can produce something at all to back up your absurd allegations.

[Alexandra]

Actually, Jimmy Pattison's daughter (Kilburn) is not a member of the CPC, never has been. How she could be considered a 'theo-con' is just more trivial gossip. Unless of course it is known for a fact that in the last election Kilburn voted Conservative and not Green! Oh, right. How on earth would anyone know that for a fact? Well, some of us do know for a fact.

Jimmy P. is noted for his generous contributions to the NDP in B.C. and to the Fed. Liberals, more particularly when Chretien was P.M. Jimmy P. is first and foremost a billionaire businessman and enjoys certain privileges such as dining with past prime ministers of Canada. Matter of fact Jimmy P. is considered to lean more to very liberal policies when it involves certain segments of society. A theo-con? Not.

There is no proof that any of these so-called evangelicals on this list are members or vote for the CPC either. Except for Toews.

This is becoming silly. Of course it is all G.W. Bush's and the Americans' fault. I keep forgetting that.

[Catchme]

Alexandra, you're trying much to hard to deny something that is undeniable.

It does not matter if we know they belong to the CPC or not.

They are ALL most ALL Evangelical.

There is NOT a mix of Lutheran, UCC, Catholic, Anglican, Methodist, Baptist, Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, etc etc, they ARE ALL Evangelical. Canada is NOT Evangelical, it is a bias, that is inexcusable in a democracy.

Harper is also Evangelical.

It is obvious he is creating a theo con judiciary that is inherently Evangelical.

Do not know what you are carrying on about Bush and the USA, tis a bit odd.

[Canadian Blue]

Alexandra, you're trying much to hard to deny something that is undeniable.

You just lost the argument.

It does not matter if we know they belong to the CPC or not.

Yes it does, because of people claiming they are advancing the CPC agenda.

They are ALL most ALL Evangelical.

What are their actual viewpoints on religion.

There is NOT a mix of Lutheran, UCC, Catholic, Anglican, Methodist, Baptist, Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, etc etc, they ARE ALL Evangelical. Canada is NOT Evangelical, it is a bias, that is inexcusable in a democracy.

So we should hire people who are unqualified for the job simply because they aren't evangelical?

Harper is also Evangelical.

Paul Martin and Jean Chretien were Catholic, thus they must be child molestors. Simply pointing out the stupidity in some of these posts.

It is obvious he is creating a theo con judiciary that is inherently Evangelical.

All evangelicals have a theocratic agenda? Wow, isn't that a bit bigoted.

It's only obvious to those who are completely blind to an ideological point of view. All you pointed out was that they were evangelical and not much else. Geoffrey showed how these people are competent for the job. Yet somehow, just because they have different religious beliefs then you Catchme it must be a hidden agenda.

Do not know what you are carrying on about Bush and the USA, tis a bit odd.

Usually, whenever something happen's that is negative, it's always Bush's fault. Even if it had nothing to do with Bush. I've noticed the same thing with Harper, when something happen's in Germany, it somehow is Harper's fault as well even though he had no involvement.

Please do refrain from appearing to be put upon, as if you always had to chase stuff down, when in fact you never do. It lowers the level of discussion and is almost unworthy of a response.

No catchme, with all the crazy accusations and speculation coming from you I would hope you would give a link. Mind you a link that's not made up of partisan hacks bitching about how they hate people that disagree with them.

[Catchme]

Oh wow, me thinks thou all doth protest too much.

Geoffery said:

Ms. Kilburn - Evangelical

Fine. True. But her religion is really irrelevant IMO, unless of course, you advocate eliminating religious people from public office?

Why was she picked then because she was kidnapped or a billionaires daughter? Of course it is because of her religion. She has no credentials for this position

Vic Toews - Evangelical

Evidence? You won't find any.

Google is a wonderful thing geoffery it seems you folk forget about it. One can find anything with google if one asks the correct questions. And yes he is, but perhaps more to the pentacostal side of it.

Garth Smorang - Evangelical

Are you freaking kidding me? This is one of the most qualified people we could ever ask for. Past president of the Manitoba bar association... I'm sure that makes him crraazzyy...

Your accusation here is purely BS. No evidence of being a hardline evangelical.

I notice you added "hardline" evangelical, you do not quite want to venture too far from the truth eh? Again google is your friend geoffery, I do not care about his "credentials" he is evangelical. Again you are putting words ion my mouth I never mentioned the word crazy once.

Barbara Pollock - Evangelical

Pure BS again. There is one reasonable area of criticism about this appointment outside of that though, but I'll let you find it.

And again google is your frind geoffery, just google barbara, and evangelical and you get all the goods. And her ties to the sponsorship scandal are interesting. She has no qualifications it seems either other than being Evangelical.

W. Brent Cotter - Evangelical

Again, BS. One of the most education, brilliant lawyers in Canada. Your attack here is again, absolutely absurd.

And again geoffery, just put evangelical at the end of his name in google and it pops right up there. Who says he is the most brilliant?

Allan McEachern - nominee from the Canadian Judicial Council {though he is most likely also evangelical as well but is quiet about it}.

He was a Chief Justice of two courts!!! What the hell do you expect from these people. Again, no evidence that he's 'evangelical'

Yes, the evidence is a bit slimmer here, and one has to look deep but I noted that, but the trail is there none the less. Again just added religion and evangelical to his name and title and start searching.

Ellen Campbell - Evangelical

She's the freakin head of the Canadian Centre for Abuse Awareness. I couldn't imagine such a qualified person on such a pressing issue currently in our justice system. Again, where is there ANY evidence that she's some radical Christian out to persecute the gays?

I agree, she is not a bad appointee, if it were NOT for her being an evangelical as well. Again, one needs only google her name with evangelical attached and it pops right up there, and I notice that you did not deny she was, you just said where is the evidence she would be out to persecute gays. Which is a strange red herring kinda comment. So, you are being disengenuous at best.

Your seriously so full of crap I don't even know where to begin here. Any, ANY AT ALL, evidence to back up your claims would be nice. I count 1 evangelical, not 7. Your credibility is slipping unless you can produce something at all to back up your absurd allegations

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No geoffery, I am not, and I believe you know I am not, you have directly misrepresented another 2 you know for sure who are and as you do why did you bother denying in the first place and ask me to prove it and who were they? o much for any type of honesty and accountability with anyone associated with the CPC and harper. All anyone needed to do is enter all these names into google, individually of course, and attach religion evangelical or pentacostal to it, and boof you get all the goods.

Please do remember evidence is always waiting to be found, so do not forget search engines find it all, if you know what questions to ask.

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can blue, sorry never lost any argument just because you say so does not mean it is true. Good try though.

They are advancing the CPC agenda or the CPC would not have cherry picked them. That's kinda obvious eh?! OPne would never think they would be supporting the Liberal agenda eh. Plus you seem to have forgotten Harper came straight out and adnmitted he ws picking those with a CPC bias.

They are Evangelical across the board it seems pretty with maybe a couple who are not, will have to research the police appoitments relifgious affliation as well

This staate of the judiciary committee does meet any unbiased criteria needed in a multi denominational country. They made NO attempt to represent all religions because they have an agenda. Evangelical is not the "state" religion we have none as a matter of fact. Talk of partisianship - and one type of thinking.

I thought you said you could not take anyone serious that used profanities can blue? be careful about being the pot calling the kettle black yet again.

Canadian Blue said:

No catchme, with all the crazy accusations and speculation coming from you I would hope you would give a link. Mind you a link that's not made up of partisan hacks bitching about how they hate people that disagree with them.

Tsk!

[Who's Doing What?]

Who really cares what religion or sect of a particular religion someone is?

I have posted my feelings on religion in the Morals section before, I am pretty sure.

If someone feels they need a crutch to help them through the daily grind, a place to lay the blame, or credit, a way to absolve themselves of responsibility, while all the time being hustled for their time and money go right ahead. Don't push it on me, and don't bring it into the workplace, education system, or political arena.

I don't care what someone does outside of the time I am paying for with my taxes. You start preaching from the pulpit Tuesday morning in Parliament and I have a problem. So far I haven't seen any preaching from these "Theo-cons".

So where is the thread on the Satanists manipulation of Govt. policies?

[Catchme]

Interesting, perhaps you should research the Irish famine and the British government of that tiime, and see who was in power and what they did to the Irish, maybe you would not take it so lightly.

[Who's Doing What?]

Interesting, perhaps you should research the Irish famine and the British government of that tiime, and see who was in power and what they did to the Irish, maybe you would not take it so lightly.

PLease connect the dots between the Irish famine and the Theo-cons of Stephen Harper and todays CPC.

[margrace]

The only think that has changed in this world, histoically, is the information that is now out there for us all to see immediately. Tommy Douglas had to fight the party machine in the 30's just to get food for the people of Saskatchewan. If you know anything of that historically you will read of how the party machine of the time spread the most vicious lies about him. But he percervered and and won his battles. That was a liberal government too wasn't it.

Too many people in our country are fed a constant diet of buy buy buy. Self gratification is taught in our schools meanwhile Mr. Harper and his ilk are quietly setting up ways to steal your rights and freedoms. There is no doubt that Mr. Harper would like to remove from our history books the facts of Mr. Douglas and Mr. Troudeau. If he gets the right people on our judges benches he will try, trust me. It was interesting reading about the subtle ideas presented to the people about who should be voted the greatest Canadian last year. However the Canadian public is not unaware of who works for them. Mr. Douglas much to the disgust of a lot of capitalist was chosen.

Politically smart people, out for their own good, know that distracting the public mind in other directions than on what the goverment wants to do works beautifully. I see if all the time in our local governemts.

Religious propoganda has been used for centureries to control the masses. In countries where the Catholic church held sway for so many years, especially in central and South America it is obvious if you read your history.

I have a notion that not too many people on here have read Dickens.

[scribblet]

So, no Christian's should be allowed to serve on a committee?

I don't understand why not, shouldn't we have diversity in judges, people from all different backgrounds and walks of life.

If Harper were to appoint lets say 30% of the new judges who were proven social conservatives and theo-con's, then you have a point. But one person isn't really much to worry about.

Ah but you see, tolerance has now become intolerance, Christophobia and hatred of Christians is now the only acceptable prejudice. I wonder if these insinuations about 'theo-cons' on committees etc. would apply to, say, Muslims or Hindus. What about the new religion of radical atheism, should that cult be allowed on committees or to run for office?

Harper might or might not be evangelical, so what, he sure isn't putting forward an 'evangelical agenda' which I assume of one of anti abortion and SSM (SSM debate is over).

This continual carping about theo-cons and the CPC appears to be an obsession not rooted in facts. Would the same hold similar views if our PM was, say, Muslim, a JW or a Sikh? Can you imagine the uproar.

Much of what I read is simply people trashing someone of a particular belief system then passing their totalitarian impulses off as a 'tolerance'. Tolerance today has become intolerance, where only the secular voices are to be accepted as 'truth' and where anyone who disagrees is to be dragged off to "human rights" tribunals simply for voicing their moral beliefs.

Discrimination and intolerance toward Christians and minority religious groups are rising as this secularist minority works to limit the legitimate exercise of religious freedom.

This type of intolerant behaviour actually violates the basic human rights of freedom of belief and religion.

[Wilber]

The only think that has changed in this world, histoically, is the information that is now out there for us all to see immediately. Tommy Douglas had to fight the party machine in the 30's just to get food for the people of Saskatchewan. If you know anything of that historically you will read of how the party machine of the time spread the most vicious lies about him. But he percervered and and won his battles. That was a liberal government too wasn't it.

Too many people in our country are fed a constant diet of buy buy buy. Self gratification is taught in our schools meanwhile Mr. Harper and his ilk are quietly setting up ways to steal your rights and freedoms. There is no doubt that Mr. Harper would like to remove from our history books the facts of Mr. Douglas and Mr. Troudeau. If he gets the right people on our judges benches he will try, trust me. It was interesting reading about the subtle ideas presented to the people about who should be voted the greatest Canadian last year. However the Canadian public is not unaware of who works for them. Mr. Douglas much to the disgust of a lot of capitalist was chosen.

Politically smart people, out for their own good, know that distracting the public mind in other directions than on what the goverment wants to do works beautifully. I see if all the time in our local governemts.

Religious propoganda has been used for centureries to control the masses. In countries where the Catholic church held sway for so many years, especially in central and South America it is obvious if you read your history.

I have a notion that not too many people on here have read Dickens.

Yes, Steve would like to burn you books. The secret agenda again Oh, and speaking of history, Tommy Douglas was a Baptist Minister. You strike me as a very frustrated person.

[margrace]

Yes, Steve would like to burn you books. The secret agenda again Oh, and speaking of history, Tommy Douglas was a Baptist Minister. You strike me as a very frustrated person.

Oh thats interesting, care to elucidate on that? What makes me a frustrated person? Easy to make these statements isn;t it.

[geoffrey]

Barbara Pollock - Evangelical

Pure BS again. There is one reasonable area of criticism about this appointment outside of that though, but I'll let you find it.

And again google is your frind geoffery, just google barbara, and evangelical and you get all the goods. And her ties to the sponsorship scandal are interesting. She has no qualifications it seems either other than being Evangelical.

Yup, the Sponsorship connections kind of worry me. It doesn't appear that she was really involved at all, but the fact that she was in a position to be potentially involved worries me for someone appointing judges.

W. Brent Cotter - Evangelical

Again, BS. One of the most education, brilliant lawyers in Canada. Your attack here is again, absolutely absurd.

And again geoffery, just put evangelical at the end of his name in google and it pops right up there. Who says he is the most brilliant?

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=W.+Bre...le+Search&meta=

For example, check out those google results. Nothing about him being an evangelical at all anywhere. I really do think you just make this stuff up.

I agree, she is not a bad appointee, if it were NOT for her being an evangelical as well. Again, one needs only google her name with evangelical attached and it pops right up there, and I notice that you did not deny she was, you just said where is the evidence she would be out to persecute gays. Which is a strange red herring kinda comment. So, you are being disengenuous at best.

No I do deny that she's some evangelical. Not that I should have to, having relgious values isn't a crime in Canada.

All anyone needed to do is enter all these names into google, individually of course, and attach religion evangelical or pentacostal to it, and boof you get all the goods.

One is, maybe two. Not seven. That's just ridiculous. I've searched them all extensively and found nothing.

[Figleaf]

Who really cares what religion or sect of a particular religion someone is?

The Harper government appointment process seems to care.

[Wilber]

Yes, Steve would like to burn you books. The secret agenda again Oh, and speaking of history, Tommy Douglas was a Baptist Minister. You strike me as a very frustrated person.

Oh thats interesting, care to elucidate on that? What makes me a frustrated person? Easy to make these statements isn;t it.

The stuff you put in your rants. Where does it come from? Book burning, jeez get a grip, you will be far more credible.

[scribblet]

The only think that has changed in this world, histoically, is the information that is now out there for us all to see immediately. Tommy Douglas had to fight the party machine in the 30's just to get food for the people of Saskatchewan. If you know anything of that historically you will read of how the party machine of the time spread the most vicious lies about him. But he percervered and and won his battles. That was a liberal government too wasn't it.

I don't know what 'vicious lies' were spread about him then, but I'm sure you consider his essay on eugenics and his thoughts on gays etc. also a 'vicious lie' If Tommy Douglas were alive today and spouting the same hate, he'd be in jail'.

...Self gratification is taught in our schools meanwhile Mr. Harper and his ilk are quietly setting up ways to steal your rights and freedoms. There is no doubt that Mr. Harper would like to remove from our history books the facts of Mr. Douglas and Mr. Troudeau. If he gets the right people on our judges benches he will try, trust me. It was interesting reading about the subtle...

I have a notion that not too many people on here have read Dickens.

I don't know what schools your children or grandchildren attend, but none of mine are being taught any such thing.

Harper removing books etc. and secretly stealing our right ? - are you sure your on this planet, where do you come up with this stuff, please provide evidence. My mind doesn't boggle very easily, but it sure is boggling now - this is really in the realm of tin foil hat stuff to put it mildly.

I've read all of Dickens, not sure what you mean, please clarify. You won't of course, you never do.