Figleaf Posted March 20, 2007 Report Posted March 20, 2007 Ah! People seeking the right to return to their own homes from which they were expelled by force in a coup d'etat! Such an outrage, really! So you're admitting that your position is that a Jewish State of Israel should not exist? I would advise Myata or anyone before they attempt to answer that question to determine what precisely you assume in the term "Jewish State of Israel". Care to elaborate some specifics? Quote
Liam Posted March 21, 2007 Report Posted March 21, 2007 Ah! People seeking the right to return to their own homes from which they were expelled by force in a coup d'etat! Such an outrage, really! Why don't you want to extend that right to the Cubans in exile in Miami? Quote
myata Posted March 21, 2007 Report Posted March 21, 2007 Because people who expelled them were from outside, foreigners. People living in Miami left then their own countrymen expropriated their property. It's up to the people of Cuba to decide if and when the property will be returned, but Palestinians can do little against the superior power that robbed them of their lands. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 21, 2007 Report Posted March 21, 2007 Because people who expelled them were from outside, foreigners. People living in Miami left then their own countrymen expropriated their property. It's up to the people of Cuba to decide if and when the property will be returned, but Palestinians can do little against the superior power that robbed them of their lands. Nope...and neither can the First Nations of Canada. Life just isn't fair. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guthrie Posted March 21, 2007 Report Posted March 21, 2007 The scariest guys are in them Vietnamese gangs Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
jbg Posted March 21, 2007 Report Posted March 21, 2007 What a wonderful leap of logic! Care to share how did you divine that?Because if you're right that Israel proper is built on top of the former "homes" of Palestinians what place is legitimate for the people now living in Israel proper to live? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted March 21, 2007 Report Posted March 21, 2007 What a wonderful leap of logic! Care to share how did you divine that?Because if you're right that Israel proper is built on top of the former "homes" of Palestinians what place is legitimate for the people now living in Israel proper to live? I would advise Myata or anyone before they attempt to answer that question to determine what precisely you assume in the term "Jewish State of Israel". Care to elaborate some specifics? Israel has some laws discriminating in favor of Jews, such as the right of Jews to move to Israel without certain of the formalities of immigration. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
myata Posted March 21, 2007 Report Posted March 21, 2007 Because if you're right that Israel proper is built on top of the former "homes" of Palestinians what place is legitimate for the people now living in Israel proper to live? Are you saying that for some (divine?) reason, the state of Isreal is relieved of the obligation to conduct its business in a legitimate manner? FYI (and bush_cheney too) this country's relations with the aboriginal population can give some insight. It's far from perfect, I know, but also by far superior to simply uprooting the indigenous population and throwing it away. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Figleaf Posted March 21, 2007 Report Posted March 21, 2007 What a wonderful leap of logic! Care to share how did you divine that?Because if you're right that Israel proper is built on top of the former "homes" of Palestinians what place is legitimate for the people now living in Israel proper to live? I would advise Myata or anyone before they attempt to answer that question to determine what precisely you assume in the term "Jewish State of Israel". Care to elaborate some specifics? Israel has some laws discriminating in favor of Jews, such as the right of Jews to move to Israel without certain of the formalities of immigration. Alright, let me be more specific. "Jewish state" could mean 'homeland for people of Jewish ancestry', or it might mean 'state where Judaism has become the form of government'. Or something else. A person might think one quite appropriate and the other quite the opposite. The difference between these meanings might make quite a difference in the answer to your question. Quote
Borg Posted March 22, 2007 Report Posted March 22, 2007 Right. Why stop with PA? Cancel all programs with Mexico! Withdraw from NAFTA for that matter. And we should check if perhaps, any Canadians suffered in the US of late? What programs with Mexico? NAFTA - Agree strongly. Canucks in the U.S.? Well, if they do not like it they can go home. As for travellers - assume the travel and assume the risks. Borg Quote
Borg Posted March 22, 2007 Report Posted March 22, 2007 Because people who expelled them were from outside, foreigners. People living in Miami left then their own countrymen expropriated their property. Countrymen? Yeah, right - shows how little you know. It's up to the people of Cuba to decide if and when the property will be returned, I think you mean the corrupt and very dangerous government - the very same government that would kill at the drop of a hat anyone who would dare stand up and shout "FREEDOM!" but Palestinians can do little against the superior power that robbed them of their lands. Robbed? Hmmmm ... it is plain to see you have read at least one side of the history. Bad Jew!! Bad Jew!! Get back in the oven! Now! Tell me, what colour is the sky in your world? Borg Quote
jbg Posted March 22, 2007 Report Posted March 22, 2007 Are you saying that for some (divine?) reason, the state of Isreal is relieved of the obligation to conduct its business in a legitimate manner?Myata's rules of legitimacy aside, Israel is not, nationally, a suicide pact. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
myata Posted March 22, 2007 Report Posted March 22, 2007 In that case, there's nothing to complain about. You do things, things happen to you. C'est la vie. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
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