Canadian Blue Posted February 10, 2007 Report Posted February 10, 2007 Canadians do not tell the Canadian military where to go the military and government do. Occassionally, when a strong enough voice is heard, like that of our none participation in Iraq, there is compliance. The government, so the people. The military doesn't have much of a say. They've never consulted me, or anybody that I know of, of what we think. If the Canadian voice was heard we would NOT have a military presence in Afghanistan either, right from the get go. Actually a majority supported the mission, and currently I believe the support is around 50/50. Our military is abusing civilian Adfghan detainees, who are not even prisoners, can you imagine what the Afghans are doing to prisoners? Are you sure they aren't insurgents, or made threats against members of the CF. I'm sure France and Germany has room for people like you Catchme, but the reality of the situation is that we have a mutual defense agreement with the United States under NATO. Whether or not you like it, we have an obligation under that treaty to uproot any regime that harbours the al-Qaeda that attacked US interests abroad and in New York and Washington. I wouldn't say that, apparently from the posts I have read Catchme believes that the high and mighty are nation's like Iran and Venezuela, I've never seen her criticize those nation's once. The USA are behaving badly in Afghanistan, and it seems some of the Canadian military want to emmulate the USA's military. This is unfortunate and these Canadian military personal, like those Americans who are speaking out now, will have to live with their actions. But all Canadians are diminished when this type of thing occurs. By what, shooting back when getting shot at. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
White Doors Posted February 10, 2007 Report Posted February 10, 2007 Canadians do not tell the Canadian military where to go the military and government do. Occassionally, when a strong enough voice is heard, like that of our none participation in Iraq, there is compliance.If the Canadian voice was heard we would NOT have a military presence in Afghanistan either, right from the get go. The USA are behaving badly in Afghanistan, and it seems some of the Canadian military want to emmulate the USA's military. This is unfortunate and these Canadian military personal, like those Americans who are speaking out now, will have to live with their actions. But all Canadians are diminished when this type of thing occurs. Also, our military are turning prisoners over to the Afghan government, knowing they will be tortured. As such, Canadians are complicit in the torture of prisoners. Our military is abusing civilian Adfghan detainees, who are not even prisoners, can you imagine what the Afghans are doing to prisoners? Tis a terrible blight upon the face of Canada and Canadians. Wow, you are a real piece of work POSER. The prisoners who are turned over to the Afghans are monitored by the Red Cross. (Crescent) Also, if we don;t turn them over to the Afghan's who do we turn them over to? Your type complained when we turned them over to the Americans.. I can only imagine the wailing if we had our own detention centre.. The point is your type don't want us there at all and that is the only reason that this professor brought this forward. You want us out and that's it. Any evidence that denigrates the CF's along the way s only a 'bonus' for you. For that reason you are the lowest of the low. Scum feeds on you. There is NO proof that Canadian soldiers abused ANY POW's at all. Even in the missive supplied by the blatently partisan professor it said that the POW's were being belligerant and aggressive. The soldiers have to detain them - if that means they get roughed up - they get roughed up. The majority of Canadians supported the Afghan mission and it is still over 50% support. Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
Army Guy Posted February 12, 2007 Report Posted February 12, 2007 BayLee: Yea whatever Army Guy.I now hear the story of Canadian soldiers mistreating prisoners got a little heavier today. With Canadian soldiers sordid past of torturing and killing innocent people it is no wonder this stroy is being taken so seriously WOW, you mean you climbed out of your tree, just to type that, you sure put a lot of thought into that response. You must have ran out of mushrooms, or those big bad loggers shook you out. Either way i'm sure glad you graced us with more of your friendly banter. I'm sure you can string a few sentences together and enlighten us on our sorid past, hell maybe you can even figure out how to use that google feature and give us a link or two...I'm curious to know how you come to the conclusion that the actions of a few men, over 10 years ago, have determined the fate and dishonour of over 59,000 Canadian soldiers serving today. Jealous that these men and women, are actually doing something noble with thier lifes, Thier lifes? Is that how the educated soldiers in our army speak ? I'm beginning to think you don't like soldiers Bayleaf, maybe it's something in the mushrooms. Or maybe your not getting enough sleep, are you waking up in the middle of the night in cold sweats, dreaming of the sounds of chainsaws and trees crashing to the ground. Yes i did say "thier lifes", joining the military is a choice, in fact the military allows us to make lots of choices including the one to serve in Afgan or for that matter any combat zone or operation...We are not the mindless robots you paint us to be. Just Canadian citizens that have made the choice to serve our nation. Perhaps your ideas of doing something noble with your life is not the same as mine or the others that have chose to serve. But because you don't understand "why" we chose to serve our nation, does not give you the right to mock us. You have made some very generized remarks, painting us all with one brush, much like i have with you by suggesting anyone from BC is either a tree hugger or logger, thats not debate but a dick measuring contest. You want to debate then fine, you want to sling mud, i can do that to. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted February 12, 2007 Report Posted February 12, 2007 Poser: The USA are behaving badly in Afghanistan, and it seems some of the Canadian military want to emmulate the USA's military. This is unfortunate and these Canadian military personal, like those Americans who are speaking out now, will have to live with their actions. But all Canadians are diminished when this type of thing occurs. And what actions are those poser ? perhaps you can give us an example, of how Canadian soldiers are emmulating american soldiers. Also, our military are turning prisoners over to the Afghan government, knowing they will be tortured. As such, Canadians are complicit in the torture of prisoners. Do you have proof of such a retarded remark ? do you have proof that prisoners or detainees captured by Canadian soldiers and then handed over to Afgan auth where tortured or mistreated...if you do then send that info to one of the inquiries, or that lawyer in ottawa...he could use some more TV air time. Our military is abusing civilian Adfghan detainees, who are not even prisoners, can you imagine what the Afghans are doing to prisoners? Again more unfounded and false remarks...but then again that is your trade mark is it not, making unfounded and false remarks...i think you need a boyfriend or girlfriend what ever your choice to consume more of your time, instead of making these false accuastions and tarnishing the good name of countries soldiers. Tis a terrible blight upon the face of Canada and Canadians. your the one making these tall tales up in order to be heard on this forum, have you tried knitting. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Catchme Posted February 12, 2007 Author Report Posted February 12, 2007 You're telling me that I made up this story that Canadians forces are being accused of abusing detainees? Or other things when the world is but a google away? Unbelievable. Perhaps you should do some research for yourself before you start casting aspersions upon others? Human Rights Watch called on the United States to immediately release the results of past investigations into misconduct by U.S. personnel in Afghanistan, including information about two Afghan detainees who were killed in U.S. custody in December 2002 and another detainee who died in June 2003. "Afghans have been telling us for well over a year about mistreatment in U.S. custody," said John Sifton, Afghanistan researcher for Human Rights Watch. "We warned U.S. officials repeatedly about these problems in 2003 and 2004. It's time now for the United States to publicize the results of its investigations of abuse, fully prosecute those responsible, and provide access to independent monitors." In a March report, "Enduring Freedom": Abuses by U.S. Forces in Afghanistan, Human Rights Watch documented numerous cases of mistreatment of detainees at various detention sites in Afghanistan, including extreme sleep deprivation, exposure to freezing temperatures, and severe beatings. Detainees complained about being stripped of their clothing and photographed while naked. Some of these abusive practices during interrogation were similar to those recently reported in Iraq. Recent media reports have also documented new cases of mistreatment in Afghanistan. http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2004/05/13/afghan8577.htm And I give credit to ar least some of canada's military for thinking rationally about MORAL dilemmas, maybe more should follow suit. Soldiers facing moral dilemmaOver handing Taliban prisoners to Afghan army KANDAHAR, Afghanistan -- Canadian soldiers have intervened at least twice to prevent the summary execution of Taliban suspects captured on operations with the Afghan army, highlighting the moral murk confronting troops caught between government policy and the brutality of a still-violent country. And the local representative of Afghanistan's independent human rights commission suspects that nearly a third of prisoners handed over by Canadians are abused and even tortured in Afghan jails. Afghan authorities have "two kinds of attitudes,'' said Abdul Noorzai of the Kandahar office of the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission. "When they come into my office, they behave very officially,'' he said. "When they go back to their offices they behave in another way.'' Noorzai estimates human rights procedures are violated for about 30 per cent of prisoners handed over to Afghan authorities. He said he is aware of violations that included beatings and torture. Afghan Military tortures prisoners So, again I ask, should the Canadian Military be handing over prisoners to the Afghan army? Quote When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die. ~Jean-Paul Sartre
Alexandra Posted February 12, 2007 Report Posted February 12, 2007 An article on Human Rights Watch complaining about U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan from 2002 to 2004 certainly isn't proof of American (or British or Dutch or Danish or Canadian or any NATO) soldiers mistreating Taliban/foreign prisoners yesterday or today. Well, maybe we should hand any captured Taliban/foreign fighter over to that bloodthirsty old warlord Dostom and his tribe of anti-Taliban warriors? Perish the thought any NATO force should transfer the Taliban/foreign types to the American-Canadian-Dutch trained Afghani military police forces. Until such time as you or he or they or me are actual boots on the ground in Afghanistan, we should just put up or ............... Quote
Catchme Posted February 13, 2007 Author Report Posted February 13, 2007 An article on Human Rights Watch complaining about U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan from 2002 to 2004 certainly isn't proof of American (or British or Dutch or Danish or Canadian or any NATO) soldiers mistreating Taliban/foreign prisoners yesterday or today.Well, maybe we should hand any captured Taliban/foreign fighter over to that bloodthirsty old warlord Dostom and his tribe of anti-Taliban warriors? Perish the thought any NATO force should transfer the Taliban/foreign types to the American-Canadian-Dutch trained Afghani military police forces. Until such time as you or he or they or me are actual boots on the ground in Afghanistan, we should just put up or ............... Oh you think it has majically stopped? No the other articles show it hasn't, perhaps you should have looked them over. Because they also, show that the AFGHAN government, aka American-Canadian-Dutch trained Afghani military police forces, are still torturing. No, we should not just put up or shut up, why should we abdicate our responsibility as citizens? Especially not if our on military is abusing detainees, detainees = Afghanis citizens, who are later released. Canadians have laws against torture, and we take in refugees that are subject to torture in their home countries. Why would we be turning people over to get tortured? We shouldn't. Now how would you feel if it was your husband or son was being tortured? There is a reason why it is against the Geneva Convention. Neve said he hopes this case sparks a "comprehensive overhaul" of how Canadian soldiers handle the Afghans they detain in the Kandahar region.Under an agreement with the Afghan government, those detainees are passed over to Afghan authorities, but human-rights advocates say the transfer deal provides few safeguards to ensure that prisoners don't suffer the abuse that runs "rampant" in local prisons. "We don't seem to have the right approach to handling prisoners in Afghanistan," Neve said. http://www.thestar.com/News/article/178566 Quote When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die. ~Jean-Paul Sartre
Army Guy Posted February 13, 2007 Report Posted February 13, 2007 Poser: You're telling me that I made up this story that Canadians forces are being accused of abusing detainees? Or other things when the world is but a google away? Unbelievable. Perhaps you should do some research for yourself before you start casting aspersions upon others? The key words in that statement are accused, not tried or convicted, just accussed. You have already made your mind up and have already convicted them. Why is that. This is your statement is it not ....What proof do you have, give me a link...give me a source...you don't have one or the findings would already be in the press....without proof you got shit...just false statements slandering the good names of those with balls enough to do a job aour country has asked them to do... Our military is abusing civilian Adfghan detainees, who are not even prisoners, can you imagine what the Afghans are doing to prisoners? And then you contradict yourself by posting your 2 and half of your post.... so which is it are we abusing prisoners or detainees or not make up your mind.... QUOTESoldiers facing moral dilemma Over handing Taliban prisoners to Afghan army KANDAHAR, Afghanistan -- Canadian soldiers have intervened at least twice to prevent the summary execution of Taliban suspects captured on operations with the Afghan army, highlighting the moral murk confronting troops caught between government policy and the brutality of a still-violent country. And the local representative of Afghanistan's independent human rights commission suspects that nearly a third of prisoners handed over by Canadians are abused and even tortured in Afghan jails. Afghan authorities have "two kinds of attitudes,'' said Abdul Noorzai of the Kandahar office of the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission. "When they come into my office, they behave very officially,'' he said. "When they go back to their offices they behave in another way.'' So, again I ask, should the Canadian Military be handing over prisoners to the Afghan army? At the beginning of the mission we were handing over POW's to the Americans...the Canadian public freaked out after the stories came out of US prisoner abuses and they demanded we not hand any more to the US...infact it was decided to hand them over to the Afganis people ,thier elected government...since we are not equipped to handle POW's we hand them over to the Afganis, now your complaining about how they abuse approx 30 % of thier pows...perhaps a nice beach house in the bahamas, or better yet ship them to Canada. What you forget is these scumbags are responsiable for terriable crimes against humanity and all you can do is shed a tear for them...and shout poor bastards we want answers......Yes, prisoner abuse is bad but there is always two sides to each story and your only telling one....so i'll ask you if you were forced to watch the execution of your father or serveral family members for the crime of talking to NATO soldiers would you be so forgiving...would you be demanding those responsiable be treated fairly, shit they have to arrive without a scratch or there are inquiries launched, and our own countrymen demanding heads on a pole.... They are making judgements without all the info, assuming we are guilty because more than 10 years ago, a few men beat and killed a somolia teenager. for which DND has paid that dept off in full...don't trust your own military or government then you should be singing another tune, or packing your bags....I heard france is nice. I 100 % agree with Alexandra final comment...put up or shut the F###-up. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Catchme Posted February 13, 2007 Author Report Posted February 13, 2007 Just heard on the news there was another check point shooting, involving a Canadian. So, this is the secong now in a week? It is such nonsense thinking that Canadians should just roll back and say nothing if our military is not conducting themselves according to Canadian standards, and the Geneva Convention, and if the military personal are thinking such things they need to think again. Perhaps it is more than high time to pull them out? Quote When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die. ~Jean-Paul Sartre
Canadian Blue Posted February 13, 2007 Report Posted February 13, 2007 Catchme I'm just wondering, would you prefer it if our soldiers refused to shoot back in defense??? Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
Army Guy Posted February 13, 2007 Report Posted February 13, 2007 Poser: Just heard on the news there was another check point shooting, involving a Canadian. So, this is the secong now in a week? Your piont would be what ? let me make it for you...only two civilians have died this year in accidental shootings by canadian soldiers, out of the thousands of checks and fire fights we have been in.... and over 10 have been wounded thats out of 365 days of combat.... It is such nonsense thinking that Canadians should just roll back and say nothing if our military is not conducting themselves according to Canadian standards, and the Geneva Convention, and if the military personal are thinking such things they need to think again When have i or any other military member on this board said we are above the law, or approach ...don't talk about Canadian standards this nations military wrote that book, we live that book every day here ...don't preach to me behind your computer safe and sound ...the same security that big bad men that are in our military provide you and your ilk. what i did say is that if you don't trust those same people that provide that security then it's time for you to pack your bags. If this is really how you fullfil your time slandering those people that have sacraficed so much and have asked for nothing in return except your support ...i think you really need to get laid...instead of slandering those who you claim to be once part of... Perhaps it is more than high time to pull them out? personally it's time for me to come home, not because i do not believe in the mission, not because i'm sick of you and your kind draging my name in the mud..not because i tied of your whinning about every little thing...but because my tour of duty will be coming to an end very very shortly. Canadian soldiers have nothing to be ashamed of we have carried out duties well above any standards set by our nation, NATO and the conventions of genva. We've assisted a nation in re building itself, helping bring peace to the southern half of afgan, what have you've done in the last 6 months poser... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Figleaf Posted February 13, 2007 Report Posted February 13, 2007 Arm guy, What do you think the results of the afghan mission will be, when will it be achieved, and how long will the results survive after western forces leave? Quote
Army Guy Posted February 13, 2007 Report Posted February 13, 2007 Figleaf: What do you think the results of the afghan mission will be, when will it be achieved, and how long will the results survive after western forces leave? At our current state i think Afgan is still very winnable, I wish i could say, Bosina took over 16 years and this is far worst than that. to speed things up i really think NATO needs to step it up with more troops. Thats hard to say as well, maybe a year, the taliban are not that strong to pull that off right away, i think a major war or drug lord would step into that vaccuum. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Catchme Posted February 13, 2007 Author Report Posted February 13, 2007 It is not just about the 2 dead in check point shooting in just 1 week, and the 10 injured, if those numbers are even correct. It is about the accummulated civilian casualy numbers, and the apparent increase them over short time periods. Perhaps the soldiers there are getting ansy to come home, tired burned out and reacting poorly. Or it is something else entirely. There is a reason why the Canadian military now, like the American troops are NOT winning the hearts and minds of Afghanis. This was NOT so at the commencement of our engagement there. Something has changed and NOT for the better. Found this older but still pertinent insight. A few weeks after 9/11, I debated a leading Bush ideologue, Charles Krauthammer for one hour on Canadian television. He admitted that the war in Afghanistan was as I had put it ‘a crude war of revenge.’ Three days ago the CIA disbanded its special unit created to track and exterminate Osama Bin Laden, a tacit acknowledgement that the situation had changed drastically since 9/11. So what is the function of Nato armies in Afghanistan. ‘Human Rights? Even conservative journalists in Britain (whose soldiers are being killed regularly) would laugh at any such assumption. One of them, Simon Jenkins, recently returned from a trip to Kabul and wrote a public warning to Blair:“The debacle of Britain in Afghanistan cannot be ignored, because British troops are at risk. They were never meant to be at risk and their presence in that country has nothing to do with British security. They are sweltering and dying in Helmand not to prop up an embattled regime in Kabul, for which they are hopelessly undermanned, but to keep Nato alive in Europe, an unworthy mission… How did the Americans induce Nato in 2004 to become Hamid Karzai's mercenary army? What intelligence did the cabinet receive from Washington, where officials openly spoke of dumping Afghanistan on uppity Nato to teach it a lesson after the Balkan shambles? …Every assessment I have heard suggests that the sort of campaign envisaged by the government in southern Afghanistan would require not 3,000 or even 10,000 troops, but over 100,000. Even the latter total has failed in Iraq, and Iraqis cannot hold a candle to Afghans for insurgent fanaticism.” (The Guardian, 5 July, 2006) There is simply no excuse for the Nato presence in Afghanistan except that of pleasing Washington. In recent weeks the killing of Afghan civilians has increased tenfold. Headlines which speak of ‘500 Taliban killed’ are deliberate disinformation View of Afghanistan from within Quote When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die. ~Jean-Paul Sartre
Army Guy Posted February 13, 2007 Report Posted February 13, 2007 Poser: It is not just about the 2 dead in check point shooting in just 1 week, and the 10 injured, if those numbers are even correct. Those numbers are not for the week but for the entire year....thats 2 entire roto's , and in case you missed it the first time i posted it's 365 days.... edmonton sun It is about the accummulated civilian casualy numbers, and the apparent increase them over short time periods. Actually numbers are down because the taliban have taken thier winter break. perhaps you can give us a link proving the numbers are up, It is about the accummulated civilian casualy numbers, and the apparent increase them over short time periods. What you mean is they increase over major operations such as madusa...go figure.. Perhaps the soldiers there are getting ansy to come home, tired burned out and reacting poorly this has nothing to do with the old ROTO, read the damn news ....yes we are ready to go home, but we are well aware we are not done yet...but you've never been in combat what gives you the qualifications to judge any of these troops. why is it all your links have nothing to do with Canadian soldiers. Stop painting all NATO forces as the same. Headlines which speak of ‘500 Taliban killed’ are deliberate disinformation This is bullshit, i was on mudusa, and spents days on end killing these bastards, stepping over the dead, and smelling thier rotten stinking bodies, and although i never counted them personally they were every where, and most, if not all died fighting us... but because a reporter says it so , one that probablly never stepped foot on the battle field it must be true...but one one of our nations soldiers says something it's disregarded as government retoric and is dismissed...I can feel the love...give me a hug.. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Figleaf Posted February 13, 2007 Report Posted February 13, 2007 Figleaf:What do you think the results of the afghan mission will be, when will it be achieved, and how long will the results survive after western forces leave? At our current state i think Afgan is still very winnable, I wish i could say, Bosina took over 16 years and this is far worst than that. to speed things up i really think NATO needs to step it up with more troops. Thats hard to say as well, maybe a year, the taliban are not that strong to pull that off right away, i think a major war or drug lord would step into that vaccuum. I'm afraid your answer isn't really very responsive to my questions. What results do you expect? That is, what does this 'win' you anticipate actually look like? When will it be acheived? How will it last after western forces leave? P.S. Why are you calling another poster "Poser"? Quote
White Doors Posted February 13, 2007 Report Posted February 13, 2007 I find it disgusting that catchme woudl disparage a Canadian Soldier from the comfort of her cave TO an actual soldier IN Afghanistan all to try and score cheap political points? Does no one else find this the epitomy of arrogance? Does no one else think that is truly DISGUSTING behaviour? She is talking to a CDN soldier IN Afghanistan and basically calling him and is comrades murderers etc. Does no one else not think that this is not appropriate behaviour? What happens if Army guy all of a sudden ceases posting? UNREAL COWARDICE. Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
White Doors Posted February 13, 2007 Report Posted February 13, 2007 P.S. Why are you calling another poster "Poser"? I got this one! She claimed to have been a Canadian soldier before. Must have been in another life:) Only one of MANY lies propogated by catchme. She thought that the Canadian Military's PRIMARy role to be that of peace keepers. She has refused to talk about it again though after it was proven that that was never their primary mission. (she's a little reluctant to bring it up now) haha Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
Figleaf Posted February 13, 2007 Report Posted February 13, 2007 I find it disgusting that catchme woudl disparage a Canadian Soldier from the comfort of her cave TO an actual soldier IN Afghanistan all to try and score cheap political points? Please be specific, quoting the objectionable passage(s). P.S. Why are you calling another poster "Poser"? ...She claimed to have been a Canadian soldier before. Must have been in another life:) And what do you know that proves otherwise, Einstein? Anyway, it seems like AG is running afoul of the forum rules with that sort of reference. Only one of MANY lies propogated by catchme. Like what? Quote
guyser Posted February 13, 2007 Report Posted February 13, 2007 UNREAL COWARDICE. What do you expect from the internet? I am sure the Soldier realizes who is behind the post and what the motivation is. Sure it is disgusting, but free speech is available to all. Quote
White Doors Posted February 13, 2007 Report Posted February 13, 2007 Yes free speach is. I would expect more condemnation for the actions on here though. This kind of behaviour should stir the 'silent majority' to action I woudl think. Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
guyser Posted February 13, 2007 Report Posted February 13, 2007 Yes free speach is. I would expect more condemnation for the actions on here though.This kind of behaviour should stir the 'silent majority' to action I woudl think. Quite the opposite I would think. Far out ideas, namecalling and general inane posting is taken for what it is. Quote
White Doors Posted February 13, 2007 Report Posted February 13, 2007 perhaps. but denigrating a soldier on this website while they are there on tour? That is the lowest of the low in my opinion. Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
Figleaf Posted February 13, 2007 Report Posted February 13, 2007 Yes free speach is. I would expect more condemnation for the actions on here though.This kind of behaviour should stir the 'silent majority' to action I woudl think. What specific comments are you so worked up about? Quote
Army Guy Posted February 13, 2007 Report Posted February 13, 2007 Figleaf: I'm afraid your answer isn't really very responsive to my questions. What results do you expect? That is, what does this 'win' you anticipate actually look like? When will it be acheived? How will it last after western forces leave?P.S. Why are you calling another poster "Poser"? Sorry,i was rushed by some real life problems, A win for me, would mean seeing western forces starting to pull out because the security sitation would allow that, See locals in the market with out automatic wpns would be a good sign, it would also mean allowing more emphisis on the re constrution side. i think the most important aspect is getting the government depts large enough to run there own areas of responsiabilty, which would allow them to deal with other problems such as the drug trade and warlords. I know this is hard to see with everything in the news , but everyday we are making progress just recently a unescorted media team has operated in the area around op madusa, without incident lucky or not it is a sign that this once Taliban dominated area is no longer controled by them. It's also going to be harder to see any progress this spring when the fighting resumes, i still think the Taliban are still a large concern in the south, and more fighting is expected. but they can not maintain this level for long periods of time... So my time frame for seeing marked improvements will be around 2009. As for how long it will last after western forces pull out, is just a guess, Afgan still has alot of major issues to deal with before it starts to become stable...Pakistan is one, the drug and war lords is another. Those issues will also take years to solve but if we pulled out now we will never see peace for some time... P.S. Why are you calling another poster "Poser"? She has cliamed to have served in our countries military, to gain credibility on this forum, and to her outragous cliams. What proof do i have, there is lots of proof in her postings, for instance basic knowledge of how the military works, the regulations, lengths of postings, certain military postings "ie posts or bases" things that every basic soldier is taught and is expected to remember are just not there. Someone who spends a good portion of thier life learning a trade or a job, should remember the little things, and military training , trust me you do not forget, i've been doing this for 26 years and i still remember my basic training very clearly... Hence why i call her a poser, as that is what she is...posing as a military member, taking advantage of a the reputation that was earned by others thru hard work and great sacrifice... Is it again'st the rules i do not know..by the same token is it again'st the rules to proclaim something you are not... DO i like the fact that she is making these claims no not really, does it bother me, yes, but it does not keep me up at nights. i think i can handle it i'm a big boy, eventually everyone will see her for what she really is, a poser... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
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