Jordan says Arar lied

[scribblet]

If the American policy is so credable, then someone should explain to me all the fuss about our border security while the Mexican border is virtually ignored. If there are terrorists wanting to get into the US all they have to do is go to Mexico or get on a boat from Cuba complaining about Castro.

What a bunch of hypocrits. Remember Fortunata there are American moles on this and every other site that stands up for Canada

American moles? what do these moles do and to whom do they report - and what does that mean I am curious. Are there Americans on here who are not moles, how can we tell?

[geoffrey]

If the American policy is so credable, then someone should explain to me all the fuss about our border security while the Mexican border is virtually ignored. If there are terrorists wanting to get into the US all they have to do is go to Mexico or get on a boat from Cuba complaining about Castro.

I think there is a plan to build a monsterous fence and partrol it by military force down in Mexico. Our security at the board is just common sense that should have been in place years ago.

[madmax]

How can so many people be this stupid? It would seem that there must be a pill to make them this half witted as some used to be fairly open thinkers, and now all I see is rampant stuipity galoping in this thread. It would be very usual for Jordan to send a willing passenger to Syria, especially when he has a Canadian passport. So just on that one point all this is total BS.

This whole thread is so openly wrong and misleading from facts that it makes one wonder at those who actually would waste a moments time other then reading it.

I will not waste any more time with it, other then to say think, think, think before you spout off in this.

Either Jordan is lying or Stephen Harper is a dupe? If the case is so straight forward that you can accept Jordans Position then you are questioning Harpers Judgement.

Why has Jordan Waited so long, to speak up? Why did they wait until After Harper has Compensated Arar?

[August1991]

Geoffrey, you and August1991 are free to believe and discuss how Arar ended up in Syria.

I haven't followed this story closely to know all of the details. But even given my limited knowledge, there are some gaping questions remaining.

I have no doubt that Harper agreed to pay the $12 million to get the case off the front pages and I suspect his claim to defend Arar's right to travel to the US is political posturing.

Here's Patrick Leahy's comment about Arar:

He said after yesterday's briefing that his primary concern — an explanation as to why Mr. Arar, who is both a Canadian and Syrian citizen, was bundled aboard a chartered jet and sent to Damascus rather than returned to Canada — has not been given.

Yesterday's classified briefing came after Mr. Leahy publicly rebuked Mr. Gonzalez last month for failing to answer questions about Mr. Arar's treatment.

Asked if the senators had found out whether Canadian authorities were asked to take Mr. Arar back in 2002, before he was sent to Syria, but rebuffed the offer, Mr. Leahy said, "That's a excellent question," adding, "You should ask them."

G & M

Was it a US government jet, a chartered jet or a regular Royal Jordanian flight? If it was US government or chartered, why did it fly to Amman?

Mr. Arar was first taken to Jordan aboard a U.S. government flight before being transported overland to Syria. Senior Jordanian intelligence officials told a UN human-rights investigator that Mr. Arar arrived as a normal passenger aboard a commercial Royal Jordanian Airlines flight. The Jordanians said Mr. Arar could not remain in their country because he was on a terrorist watch list.

Mr. Arar, the Jordanians claimed, asked to be driven to Syria.

Mr. Arar was detained while in transit at New York's John F. Kennedy Airport in 2002 by U.S. agents acting on information provided by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police that identified him as a suspected terrorist. He was sent to Syria after a special order signed by the deputy U.S. attorney-general and after assurances from Damascus that he would not be mistreated.

Assurances?

The G & M article only adds more questions.

[jbg]

If the American policy is so credable, then someone should explain to me all the fuss about our border security while the Mexican border is virtually ignored. If there are terrorists wanting to get into the US all they have to do is go to Mexico or get on a boat from Cuba complaining about Castro.

What a bunch of hypocrits. Remember Fortunata there are American moles on this and every other site that stands up for Canada

The Mexican border is hardly ignored. Mexico, a country with a strong Roman Catholic church, is hardly hospitable to Muslims. Canada is.

[Black Dog]

Let's see, we have, the Canadian consular officals that visited Arar, the Red Cross officials that visited Arar (neither saw any evidence of torture)... now we have the Jordanian (a crediable nation) officals saying Arar left Jordan willingly.

The Canadian consular official (actually the Canadian ambassador) gave conflicting reports of what he knew. As for the Red Cross: do you have a link to their findings or indeed, any evidence that they saw him? Finally: why does the Jordanian version conflict with what the Americans said? Why would Arar, who fled Syria to avoid military service, return willingly to a country he did not set foot in sinc ehe left and where he could have faced prosecution or worse?

[Robert777]

I think in this case, I would believe my allies like the USA, and not some shadey Syrian, with extremist connections. Personally, I don't trust Arar or the Liberals that support this potential terrorist. And though, I loath believing a country like Jordan, I will follow what the USA has to say on this matter. Arar is not a nice fellow.....

PROUD TO BE A REFORMER, BUY A GUN AND PO A LIBERAL! :angry: