Who's Doing What? Posted January 30, 2007 Report Posted January 30, 2007 1. Belinda did not switch parties days after she was elected. But she did switch parties in the teeth of a confidence vote that the LPOC was going to lose. That's a lot more damning than switching right after an election, particularly an election where the switcher suggested that the party "pull the goalie". I find running a campaign for one party, and thereby deceiving the public, to only switch to another party days after being elected is worse than refusing to toe the party line and leaving, regarless of what vote may have been coming up. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 30, 2007 Report Posted January 30, 2007 I find running a campaign for one party, and thereby deceiving the public, to only switch to another party days after being elected is worse than refusing to toe the party line and leaving, regarless of what vote may have been coming up. But you aren't blindly partisan. Did you mean regardless? Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
sideshow Posted January 30, 2007 Report Posted January 30, 2007 These ads are tacky. Everyone should give Dion a chance-just like Harper should be given a chance. I think the Conservatives denigrated themselves by pursuing this format to push their agenda. Positives don't come from negatives. So nothing positive came of the Liberals *scary* *scary* *scary* campaigns in 1997, 2000 and 2004? I'd agree with that. The only good things Chretien did was in his first term.... I guess that is a matter of perspective. When the liberals increase the EI availability for maternity/paternity leave from 6 months to 12 months, it had a direct effect on me and my family. That was an awesome benefit for us. When the conservatives alloted 100 dollars per month for each child under 6 for child care (or cost recovery with one parent working less as is the case for my wife and I-weve never used daycare) it benefited us directly. That was also an awesome benefit. I personally think that all of the parties have something great to add to the fabric of this country. They all have great ideas and crummy ideas-its just a matter of finding the balance. I love the current situation in government-a conservative minority, an ndp that can make/break them, a fairly strong liberal opposition, and a completely different perspective by the quebec party. i think it makes for good politics to have all of these various views keeping one another in check, yet allowing things to slowly get done (as is currently the case). But i still dont think the conservatives (or the other parties for that matter) should be attacking eachother the way they do. They should concentrate more on their own strengths rather than their opponents weaknesses. Because at the end of the day, these parliamentarians all want the same thing(well maybe not the bloc)-a prosperous Canada for everyone, truly affordable, accessible healthcare, education, etc. in a safe, law abiding society. So why not give Dion a chance? Just like Harper, hes been in parliament for awhile, is a bit stiff, but is still a respectable man that deserves respect for his achievements. Quote
Who's Doing What? Posted January 30, 2007 Report Posted January 30, 2007 I find running a campaign for one party, and thereby deceiving the public, to only switch to another party days after being elected is worse than refusing to toe the party line and leaving, regarless of what vote may have been coming up. But you aren't blindly partisan. Did you mean regardless? Again accusing me of Partisanship. Care to back up your claim. Ooohh Tough guy, attacking a typo. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 30, 2007 Report Posted January 30, 2007 Again accusing me of Partisanship. Care to back up your claim. Ooohh Tough guy, attacking a typo. Your criteria for choosing which case was clearly biased. Belinda crossed the line for "refusing to toe the party line" makes here look out to be much more admirable than was actually the case. Conveniently you made the person who crossed to the Liberals look much more admirable than the person who left the Liberals. No that's not partisan at all. Hmmm, you really are trying to start a fight with every post. Maybe if you put your energies towards spelling correctly instead of attacking people you wouldn't have so many typos. Instead of insulting me or trying to get something going deal with the substance of my post. Explain how your convenient explanation wasn't blindly partisan. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
gc1765 Posted January 30, 2007 Report Posted January 30, 2007 Your criteria for choosing which case was clearly biased. Belinda crossed the line for "refusing to toe the party line" makes here look out to be much more admirable than was actually the case. Conveniently you made the person who crossed to the Liberals look much more admirable than the person who left the Liberals.No that's not partisan at all. Hmmm, you really are trying to start a fight with every post. Maybe if you put your energies towards spelling correctly instead of attacking people you wouldn't have so many typos. Instead of insulting me or trying to get something going deal with the substance of my post. Explain how your convenient explanation wasn't blindly partisan. Ricki, everyone makes spelling mistakes...though I do find it quite funny that you made a spelling mistake in the same post that you pointed out WDW's mistake. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
jdobbin Posted January 30, 2007 Author Report Posted January 30, 2007 So why not give Dion a chance? Just like Harper, hes been in parliament for awhile, is a bit stiff, but is still a respectable man that deserves respect for his achievements. It does seem odd that the Conservatives are attacking when they should be promoting their programs and showing through action that they're different from the previous government. Quote
Who's Doing What? Posted January 30, 2007 Report Posted January 30, 2007 First let me edit your spelling mistake. I love the irony. Your criteria for choosing which case was clearly biased. Belinda crossed the line for "refusing to toe the party line" makes here her look out to be much more admirable than was actually the case. Conveniently you made the person who crossed to the Liberals look much more admirable than the person who left the Liberals.No that's not partisan at all. OK now we can continue. No it is not partisan at all. Belinda had not just run for election as a Conservative in the preceding days. Unlike Emerson who had told the citizens of Vancouver he would be representing them as a Liberal if they elected him, and then within days of being put into office he switched to being a Conservative. Hmmm, you really are trying to start a fight with every post. Maybe if you put your energies towards spelling correctly instead of attacking people you wouldn't have so many typos.Instead of insulting me or trying to get something going deal with the substance of my post. Explain how your convenient explanation wasn't blindly partisan. Ofcourse, it is me trying to antagonise you. Do you actually read what you write? How can you be so blind to your own constant attacking of others, and yet see attacks against yourself in every response? Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
madmax Posted January 30, 2007 Report Posted January 30, 2007 I really don't know how effective this hatchet job on the Liberals is going to be. While the Liberals love to cry foul on such smear tactics, they have participated in their fair share. I find when the other parties use smear tactics they have a greater potential for blowback. The NDP may benefit from these adds more then the Conservatives. I didn't find the adds amusing I found them pretty lame. Quote
Who's Doing What? Posted January 30, 2007 Report Posted January 30, 2007 I really don't know how effective this hatchet job on the Liberals is going to be. While the Liberals love to cry foul on such smear tactics, they have participated in their fair share. I find when the other parties use smear tactics they have a greater potential for blowback. The NDP may benefit from these adds more then the Conservatives. I didn't find the adds amusing I found them pretty lame. These ads are not as bad as what the Liberals put out during the last election. But the fact the CPC is resorting to "Liberal" tactics after constantly bashing the Liberals for doing it, is funny to me. I hope the CPC does one about how Dion looks like the dad from that old show ALF. That might be worth a laugh. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
madmax Posted January 30, 2007 Report Posted January 30, 2007 These ads are not as bad as what the Liberals put out during the last election. But the fact the CPC is resorting to "Liberal" tactics after constantly bashing the Liberals for doing it, is funny to me. The Liberals have been masters of gutter tactics, and I can't recall another party being as bad, or appearing as bad since Kim Campbells campaign. While there has been a little slinging in the last election the CPC did some cheesy adds that became accepted by the viewer, for what they said, and the NDP adds that had a negative element were actually pretty funny or clever. The Liberals tatics last election created negative feedback that failed to form an opinion, or remove credibility from the CPC. I have no idea why the Conservative Party has chosen this avenue. Maybe they have spent too much time listening to that Liberal know it all "beer and popcorn" spin doctor. Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 The Liberals have been masters of gutter tactics, and I can't recall another party being as bad, or appearing as bad since Kim Campbells campaign. While there has been a little slinging in the last election the CPC did some cheesy adds that became accepted by the viewer, for what they said, and the NDP adds that had a negative element were actually pretty funny or clever.The Liberals tatics last election created negative feedback that failed to form an opinion, or remove credibility from the CPC. I have no idea why the Conservative Party has chosen this avenue. Maybe they have spent too much time listening to that Liberal know it all "beer and popcorn" spin doctor. There is no chance for the Conservatives to hurt themselves by running these ads. They aren't lying. They aren't overstating the case. They are simply using Dion's own words against them. Worst case scenario: they spend a big chunk of dough and don't move much in the polls... Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Catchme Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 From mynameismarc85 What kind of leader is Stephen Harper? whizz bang and there is how it is done stringing together bits and pieces and the CPC want you to pay for theirs Income trust taxings lololol Quote When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die. ~Jean-Paul Sartre
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 From mynameismarc85 What kind of leader is Stephen Harper? whizz bang and there is how it is done stringing together bits and pieces and the CPC want you to pay for theirs Income trust taxings lololol Ahh, but there is the rub. The Conservatives ads will be seen by millions of Canadians watching TV. The Liberal knock-offs, by Harper-haters and political junkies in general. Have your laugh with your internet only Harper hate fest. The Conservatives will be laughing all the way to a majority. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
BC_chick Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 Creepy? What like threatening to continuously keep sending someone PM's unless they bend to your will? I think you have some issues there RB. Can you name one thing you like about Harper? You PM'd me as many times as I PM'd you... I think you have some issues there RB. How many times has Greg warned you about the personal attacks? Attacks? As in "BC_chick needs to take her meds" and you agreeing and calling me a pot-head as a response? I'm sure you've noticed that I don't respond to you (this time being an exception). tml now joins that rank as well. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 Attacks? As in "BC_chick needs to take her meds" and you agreeing and calling me a pot-head as a response? I'm sure you've noticed that I don't respond to you (this time being an exception). tml now joins that rank as well. So you are taking the opportunity to go after me, in order to prove how you take the high road and don't respond to me, except this one time? Are you stoned right now? I don't see how that is an attack given your expressed love for the herb... .. Back to the topic of the thread .... Does anybody here honestly think those Liberal *inspired* response ads will have any effect??? Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
jdobbin Posted January 31, 2007 Author Report Posted January 31, 2007 Attacks? As in "BC_chick needs to take her meds" and you agreeing and calling me a pot-head as a response? I'm sure you've noticed that I don't respond to you (this time being an exception). tml now joins that rank as well. Another person for the ignore button? Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 tml now joins that rank as well. Another person for the ignore button? Do you Harper-haters feel better ignoring the facts of Canadian politics? We have a Conservative Government. A Government that would likely win an election if it one were held today. Very easy to only listen to those you agree with. I only ignore one user here. Not for their political views, more for an unhealthy obsession that really needs to end... Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
BC_chick Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 Attacks? As in "BC_chick needs to take her meds" and you agreeing and calling me a pot-head as a response? I'm sure you've noticed that I don't respond to you (this time being an exception). tml now joins that rank as well. Another person for the ignore button? Yep, started off two, settled with one behind the scenes, now back to two. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
madmax Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 There is no chance for the Conservatives to hurt themselves by running these ads. Worst case scenario: they spend a big chunk of dough and don't move much in the polls... I don't think it will hurt them either. It being early, there is no election in sight, and people don't seem to care. I think it is stupid that they even bothered. However, there is an add right now mentioning Harper that puts him in a positive light. Gas/Ethanol add. Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 I don't think it will hurt them either. It being early, there is no election in sight, and people don't seem to care. I think it is stupid that they even bothered. However, there is an add right now mentioning Harper that puts him in a positive light. Gas/Ethanol add. If the ads can help define Dion just a little they will have done their job. I have seen those ads on the gas/ethanol thing. The main guy in them is a bit of a dufus. But I think those are actual Government of Canada ads and not Conservative Party of Canada ads. Could be wrong though... Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
jdobbin Posted January 31, 2007 Author Report Posted January 31, 2007 Yep, started off two, settled with one behind the scenes, now back to two. I had to set my PMs to ignore as well. Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 Yep, started off two, settled with one behind the scenes, now back to two. I had to set my PMs to ignore as well. This stuff does not belong on the boards. Please use PMs amongst yourselves. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Who's Doing What? Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 Do you Harper-haters feel better ignoring the facts of Canadian politics? We have a Conservative Government. A Government that would likely win an election if it one were held today.Very easy to only listen to those you agree with. I only ignore one user here. Not for their political views, more for an unhealthy obsession that really needs to end... They aren't ignoring the facts of Canadian politics...They are just ignoring YOU. I only ignore one user here. Not for their political views, more for an unhealthy obsession that really needs to end... Is that me you are refering to? If so, for someone who ignores me you sure do respond to alot of my posts. Now come on just because you had a spelling error in the post where you attacked my spelling, for the second or third time in the same thread, is no reason to throw away such fruitful discussion is it? I told you not to be embarassed. As for the obsession, it is high time you quit projecting your own issues on to others. I made it clear several times in responding to the 50 or so PM's you bombarded me with, I have no interest in you. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
Who's Doing What? Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 Yep, started off two, settled with one behind the scenes, now back to two. I had to set my PMs to ignore as well. This stuff does not belong on the boards. Please use PMs amongst yourselves. This is too funny. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
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