In God's Country

[margrace]

Did anyone watch this show tonight? It was on CTV, not that subversive CBC and it is based on a true story. Not much wonder there are feminists.

[geoffrey]

I saw the ads and it looked fascinating. Do you know if it is going to be aired again?

[Canadian Blue]

Is it about Bountiful BC?

[jester]

What country was it? Any links?

[margrace]

Yes it was fictional but based on Bountiful in BC. At the end it told of the FBI arresting the leader of the sect and that plural wives being against the law in several US states. The leader was on the American most wanted list. It clearly shows how brainwashed people can be and how it takes away their power.

[scribblet]

Here's a link good example of why the age of consent should be raised. Other than that, I suspect eventually polygamy between consenting adults will have to be legal.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/prin...bhub=PrintStory

[margrace]

Here's a link good example of why the age of consent should be raised. Other than that, I suspect eventually polygamy between consenting adults will have to be legal.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/prin...bhub=PrintStory

The problem I have is the consenting adults thing. How can a brainwashed community raise consenting adults. Give me a child until he is 6 and I will have him for the rest of my life. I am paraphrasing that but who said it. The Roman Catholic Church and today people especially women who have fled the church have a collossal time with the guilt complex installed in them as children.

How consenting is a child raised in our Fundamentalist type churches and having the fact that they are sinners drilled into them and that they will go to hell if they don't follow the teachings of their church be a viable argument for poligamy?

Once again it is easy to make judgements and assumptions but how exactly do we get around these problems. The fact that this woman was married to a man she loved and because the head of the church there wanted her she lost her husband and was forced to marry the Bishop or whoever he was. Whether this was part of the truth of this story of how these sects work or not , it is proof of one mans ability to control a whole community.

[margrace]

In discussing polygamy with several people this morning these questions came up.

Why would any woman want to live in a situation like this? Is this stickly a woman thing and would men want to be one of seveal husbands? If not why not?

[geoffrey]

The problem I have is the consenting adults thing. How can a brainwashed community raise consenting adults. Give me a child until he is 6 and I will have him for the rest of my life. I am paraphrasing that but who said it. The Roman Catholic Church and today people especially women who have fled the church have a collossal time with the guilt complex installed in them as children.

Only those that don't understand the religion. I'm still a Catholic, a rather devout one in terms of the real aspects of the Church and I'm not guilty about anything really. If Catholics spent more time with the Bible and the actually writtings of the theologians and stopped relying on Father O'Mally to teach them everything they'd be way better off, and a lot less guilty. Far more is permissable under the actual writings of the Church and the Bible than you'll ever hear in Sunday school.

Religion is essientially an academic exercise and no man has a monopoly on it's interpretation.

I think those in Catholism that have the consant guilt thing (and I'm sure there are alot) are simply the ignorant. The enlightened folks have little issue with living an exciting an guilt free life within the confines of the moral taught by both Jesus and various theologians in the Church.

How consenting is a child raised in our Fundamentalist type churches and having the fact that they are sinners drilled into them and that they will go to hell if they don't follow the teachings of their church be a viable argument for poligamy?

I agree to some extent.

Once again it is easy to make judgements and assumptions but how exactly do we get around these problems. The fact that this woman was married to a man she loved and because the head of the church there wanted her she lost her husband and was forced to marry the Bishop or whoever he was. Whether this was part of the truth of this story of how these sects work or not , it is proof of one mans ability to control a whole community.

Warren Jeffs?

Jeffs, the sole individual in the church who can perform marriages, is responsible for assigning wives to husbands. Jeffs also has the ability to punish men by reassigning their wives, children, and homes to another man.

...

Warren Jeffs is reported to have over 90 wives, 10 of whom he married two weeks within the death of his predecessor and father, Rulon T. Jeffs. He also married nine of Merril Jessop's daughters.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Jeffs

In discussing polygamy with several people this morning these questions came up.

Why would any woman want to live in a situation like this? Is this stickly a woman thing and would men want to be one of seveal husbands? If not why not?

I don't understand why someone would choose to get fat and sit on a couch all day, but that doesn't give me the right to legislate against it. Nor do I have the inherent right to ban marijuana because I don't agree with it's use.

There is a good possibly that some women (maybe 10% of those actually in the situation) actually want to be there. Just like I'm sure some crack addicts enjoy their addiction.

That being said margrace, I have little doubt that your absolutely correct in 99% of the cases. Polygamy is the extortion and abuse of women and cannot be tolerated.

[jester]

A man must have at least three wives and as many children as possible in order to reach the highest level of Heaven. So dictates the nineteenth-century Mormon belief that continues to exist today in certain communities.

I take it from this that women don't go to heaven then?

Why would any woman want to live in a situation like this? Is this stickly a woman thing and would men want to be one of seveal husbands?

Why do people have affairs? Why would a woman date a man knowing he is married?

[margrace]

A man must have at least three wives and as many children as possible in order to reach the highest level of Heaven. So dictates the nineteenth-century Mormon belief that continues to exist today in certain communities.

I take it from this that women don't go to heaven then?

Why would any woman want to live in a situation like this? Is this stickly a woman thing and would men want to be one of seveal husbands?

Why do people have affairs? Why would a woman date a man knowing he is married?

Yes but would men actually want to have more than one legal wife? No one has answered this.

[margrace]

A man must have at least three wives and as many children as possible in order to reach the highest level of Heaven. So dictates the nineteenth-century Mormon belief that continues to exist today in certain communities.

I take it from this that women don't go to heaven then?

Why would any woman want to live in a situation like this? Is this stickly a woman thing and would men want to be one of seveal husbands?

Why do people have affairs? Why would a woman date a man knowing he is married?

Yes but would men actually want to have more than one legal wife? No one has answered this.

still no takers is this a bit of hypocrasy

[fellowtraveller]

Other than that, I suspect eventually polygamy between consenting adults will have to be legal

And so it should be. As I undertand it, there have been no polygamy charges laid in Canada since the 1930s, despite the existence of many overt polygamous relationships. With all that has happened, I doubt there ever will be. A couple of years ago, Justice Canda was tasked with reviewing the legal situation n the Mormon communities. The result of those inquiries was never made public, but it is rumoured that they concluded the Charter would crush any legislation or prosecution regarding polygamy.

With the newish Charter, and Supreme Court/Parliament affirmations of the absolute human right of gay folks to marry...how can polygamous relations be deemed illegal? Why are mariages arbitrarily defined as being only between two persons? What is evil or wrong about three, or twenty three? And as long as the adults are consenting, what is the issue?

[margrace]

Except I have never heard, in Canada, of a woman with mutiple husbands so common fess up would any of you want or consider sharing your wife.

[myata]

I'll have to agree with fellowtraveller. Once someone's reached the age of maturity, who can tell (or decide) whether they are/were "brainwashed"? Abuse of underaged though should be prosecuted without hesitation, there's legislation for that. I applaud Cons law on age of consent and look forward to see them apply it equally without exception for "religious belief".

To margrace's eternal question, I believe you should stop thinking in broad categories like "men" and "women". Each situation is different. You may be right in what biology and history make men more likely, statistically only, to be polygamous, but it's a matter of scientific research, not morals. Each individual makes their own decisions.

[Remiel]

The stickier issue may not be whether polygamy is acceptable, but whether promoting it is.

[Melanie_]

Give me a child until he is 6 and I will have him for the rest of my life. I am paraphrasing that but who said it.

"Give me the boy until he is 7, and I will show you the man." St. Francis of Assissi

[guyser]

Except I have never heard, in Canada, of a woman with mutiple husbands so common fess up would any of you want or consider sharing your wife.

Name me a price and I will consider it. Make it enough and I will share her forever and ever.

[margrace]

I'll have to agree with fellowtraveller. Once someone's reached the age of maturity, who can tell (or decide) whether they are/were "brainwashed"? Abuse of underaged though should be prosecuted without hesitation, there's legislation for that. I applaud Cons law on age of consent and look forward to see them apply it equally without exception for "religious belief".

To margrace's eternal question, I believe you should stop thinking in broad categories like "men" and "women". Each situation is different. You may be right in what biology and history make men more likely, statistically only, to be polygamous, but it's a matter of scientific research, not morals. Each individual makes their own decisions.

O come on don't be obtuse, It is a simple question. How many men would share a wife.

[Melanie_]

Except I have never heard, in Canada, of a woman with mutiple husbands so common fess up would any of you want or consider sharing your wife.

Name me a price and I will consider it. Make it enough and I will share her forever and ever.

Husband or pimp?

[guyser]

Husband or pimp?

For the right amount of money..?...BOTH !!

[myata]

...Each individual makes their own decisions.

O come on don't be obtuse, It is a simple question. How many men would share a wife.

I understand, it"s hard to get, when it"s so much easier to live in the world where everybody"s thoughts and actions can be presumed from their looks (and wallow in the injustice of that imaginary world).

[margrace]

...Each individual makes their own decisions.

O come on don't be obtuse, It is a simple question. How many men would share a wife.

I understand, it"s hard to get, when it"s so much easier to live in the world where everybody"s thoughts and actions can be presumed from their looks (and wallow in the injustice of that imaginary world).

What in heaven's name are you talking about?

[margrace]

Several arguments on here saying polygamy is legal in Canada or should be considered so. So why can I not get a straight answer to my question. How many men on here would be part of a family where the wife had several husbands?

[scribblet]

Why does it matter, once the definition of marriage is changed its open to additional change.