Environment top priority

[BC_chick]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...04?hub=Politics

So much for all the times we heard otherwise on this forum by the Harper supporters. Case in point of this reflection - the following paragraph:

Among respondents who claimed partisan affiliations, only Conservative supporters did not say the environment was the top issue. Self-identified Conservative voters put health care and the environment in a statistical dead heat, 13 per cent to 12 per cent.

Safe to say that the CPC supporters on these forums are projecting their own views when claiming that the environment is not the biggest issue facing Canadians.

[margrace]

Well if you are watching 300 year old trees blow down in Stanley Park, and the layoff of 1600 people from one of the biggest sky runs in Ontario, do you not think it behoves us to at least listen to some of the reasons given to us for this. We are like chicken little and run and hide. Perhaps is isn't the exhaust that is causing it but it may be. Wouldn't it be better to enforce laws now to stop this rather than just let the world deteriorate while we party on.

[White Doors]

I hate the global warming fear mongering for one reason: That is that it takes attention AWAY from much more pressing issues such as wildlife corridor conservation and toxic chemicals being released willy nilly into all of our environments. Ironically (or not) Rona's last environmental decree was to control lead and mercury contamination from junked cars and other toxic substances. One could argue that the current obsession of 'global warming' will do more to harm our collective environment than to help heal it.

That is why I am a sceptic. The last good thing to happen to Canada's environment was the ACID rain treaty - ironically brokered between two conservatives. Ironic if only you are into the 'group think' of today's 'progressives'.

The biggest environmetal threat today is that of our Oceans - only because of the stuff that is now starting to wash off of our collective shores and also because of our massive overfishing - eaten sushie lately?

(I have - I love it, but I keep in mind the effect of it)

I am sad because of this misplaecement of our environmental resources. Why are we still washing down untreated sewage into our environment?

[mikedavid00]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...04?hub=Politics

So much for all the times we heard otherwise on this forum by the Harper supporters. Case in point of this reflection - the following paragraph:

Among respondents who claimed partisan affiliations, only Conservative supporters did not say the environment was the top issue. Self-identified Conservative voters put health care and the environment in a statistical dead heat, 13 per cent to 12 per cent.

Safe to say that the CPC supporters on these forums are projecting their own views when claiming that the environment is not the biggest issue facing Canadians.

It's sad to see that the Liberals and CBC have the power to brainwash the public this way when we have our own dying on hosptial waiting lists. When we've lost 18,000 full time jobs in the last 2 months.

It's really sad we have a gov't funded agenda driven media that shoves this down out throats.

If Canadians actually had a say, they would learn to think for themselves and have independant though.

Canada has *no* significant effect on global warming (fact).

Canada is a clean and green country (fact).

There are far more serious prioririties that we should be focusing on.

But eh, the CBC and Dion dictates those priorities.

Regardless, the environment will not effect the outcome of the election.

[White Doors]

You are incorrect Mikedavid. The enviroment is and should be a top priority - just not for the reasons that the liberals and media are obsessed about.

[Catchme]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...04?hub=Politics

So much for all the times we heard otherwise on this forum by the Harper supporters. Case in point of this reflection - the following paragraph:

Among respondents who claimed partisan affiliations, only Conservative supporters did not say the environment was the top issue. Self-identified Conservative voters put health care and the environment in a statistical dead heat, 13 per cent to 12 per cent.

Safe to say that the CPC supporters on these forums are projecting their own views when claiming that the environment is not the biggest issue facing Canadians.

It's safe to say they project their views all the time for everything, that is why they still think they have a majority government, why they think self determination rights can be opened for dialogue, why they think Canadians don't agree with SSM, why they think all Canadians believed we should have went to Iraq and killing Saddam a good thing, why they think a majority of Canadians support Afghanistan.

They even think the rest of the world thinks them, or should think like them!

[mikedavid00]

You are incorrect Mikedavid. The enviroment is and should be a top priority

In *YOUR* opinion.

- just not for the reasons that the liberals and media are obsessed about.

Again, *YOUR* opinion.

You do not have the right to dictate this upon us the people. The people need facts that they are not getting. Why? Because they are not allowed to vote on propositions.

"Proposition 87. Alternative Energy. Research, Production, Incentives. Tax on California Oil Producers --

Fail: 3,372,394 / 45.3% Yes votes ...... 4,079,106 / 54.7% No votes

Should California establish a $4 billion Clean Alternative Energy Program to reduce California's oil and gasoline consumption by 25 percent through incentives for alternative energy, education, and training?

PEOPLE VOTED NO ONCE THEY WERE EDUCATED ON THE FACTS:

The underlaying moral to the story is that the PEOPLE make the descisions. Not the dictator, not the CBC, the PEOPLE decide.

I Wish I could leave this country. I don't belong here.

[MightyAC]

I hate the global warming fear mongering for one reason: That is that it takes attention AWAY from much more pressing issues such as wildlife corridor conservation and toxic chemicals being released willy nilly into all of our environments. Ironically (or not) Rona's last environmental decree was to control lead and mercury contamination from junked cars and other toxic substances. One could argue that the current obsession of 'global warming' will do more to harm our collective environment than to help heal it.

I agree in part. I am also bothered that GHG emissions have become the only environmental issue discussed. However, I disagree that our current obsession with climate change is preventing the current government from stopping toxic chemicals from being released willy nilly. Rona had, and Baird has the power to ban the use of toxic chemicals right now. The Canadian Environmental Protection Act (CEPA) already gives the government the power to do so.

"The government wants to take three years to re-assess 200 of the most dangerous chemicals," said Ms. May. "But the Canadian Environmental Protection Act (CEPA) gives it the tools to ban hazardous substances within months.

"It's time the government showed that it's serious about protecting the health of Canadians by using the powers it already has under CEPA."

On Monday, 700 environmental scientists publicly criticized the Conservative government's recently announced plan to regulate toxic substances, saying that it fails to guarantee action to eliminate substances known to harm human health and ecosystems.

In a letter to the Environment Ministry, the scientists urged the government to use CEPA to regulate toxic and harmful substances such as the flame retardant polybrominated diphenyl ether (PDBE) and plastic softeners.

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[Ricki Bobbi]

So much for all the times we heard otherwise on this forum by the Harper supporters. Case in point of this reflection - the following paragraph:

Safe to say that the CPC supporters on these forums are projecting their own views when claiming that the environment is not the biggest issue facing Canadians.

Hey angry, a little support for your diatribes please?

[Who's Doing What?]

So much for all the times we heard otherwise on this forum by the Harper supporters. Case in point of this reflection - the following paragraph:

Safe to say that the CPC supporters on these forums are projecting their own views when claiming that the environment is not the biggest issue facing Canadians.

Hey angry, a little support for your diatribes please?

"angry"???

I do believe she has a name.

[Who's Doing What?]

There are so many aspects to the environment that we should be looking at, not just GHG. There is still a brown haze over Toronto. The water in Lake Simcoe regulary has ecoli, causing beaches to be closed. Our wetlands need to be protected and expanded. There is still toxic chemicals seeping into the groundwater. There is the loss of natural habitiat for many forms of wildlife. The list goes on.

It is too bad that people get hung up on one topic, and then decide from there if the environement is a worthy cause or not.

So you don't believe in Global Warming? Do you want your grandchildren to have clean drinking water? How about some clean air?

To simply dismiss the environment as an issue would be erroneous.

[mikedavid00]

There is still a brown haze over Toronto.

The same brown haze that comes from out coal burning plants in Ontario?

These issues are viable I agree and are due to missmanagement at a provincial level due to lack of clean, safe nuclear energy.

It's your green movement that shut down these nuclear plants in Ontario. Now look at the mess we're in.

[Who's Doing What?]

There is still a brown haze over Toronto.

The same brown haze that comes from out coal burning plants in Ontario?

These issues are viable I agree and are due to missmanagement at a provincial level due to lack of clean, safe nuclear energy.

It's your green movement that shut down these nuclear plants in Ontario. Now look at the mess we're in.

You think filling pits with radioactive leftovers is a better solution? I don't think so.

What about Chernobyl? I would much rather a coal plant explode than a nuclear plant.

Like c'mon. In a day of suicide bombers the last thing we need is even more huge targets that if successfully attacked would make Osama and 9/11 look like a kid playing with firecrackers.

[mikedavid00]

Like c'mon. In a day of suicide bombers the last thing we need is even more huge targets that if successfully attacked would make Osama and 9/11 look like a kid playing with firecrackers.

No no.. nuclear waste doens't work like that. But I do think that maybe sealing the waste in air tight containers and launcing them into space might be a good idea. We can let it float around and never worry about it again.

All lefties appose this idea, but it's inevitable that eventually our waste will have to go up to space. There's always the arctic. We can dig underneith the ground the bury it there.

Either way, we have to do something to create more fuel. Our electric cars that are coming soon wont get powered by air.

[geoffrey]

Well if you are watching 300 year old trees blow down in Stanley Park, and the layoff of 1600 people from one of the biggest sky runs in Ontario, do you not think it behoves us to at least listen to some of the reasons given to us for this. We are like chicken little and run and hide. Perhaps is isn't the exhaust that is causing it but it may be. Wouldn't it be better to enforce laws now to stop this rather than just let the world deteriorate while we party on.

It's -30 in Calgary tonight and all of our ski hills have had record snowfall. Is only the Ontario universe heating up? What's going on?

Perhaps it's just a weather phenomenon... which is what every reputable global warming support calls it.

Global warming doesn't happen over a period of two weeks, we're talking less than a degree over decades in average temperature.

Your doing a disservice to your cause by bringing up radical, emotional appeals like that. The weather currently has little to do with global warming.

No no.. nuclear waste doens't work like that. But I do think that maybe sealing the waste in air tight containers and launcing them into space might be a good idea. We can let it float around and never worry about it again.

You can't. Rocket launches have too high a failure rate to make this a reasonably safe endeavour. Nuclear waste is impossible to deal with, no where on the Earth is stable enough to geological hold nuclear waste until it completely depletes.

Nuclear energy is the ultimate in passing the buck to future generations.

All lefties appose this idea, but it's inevitable that eventually our waste will have to go up to space. There's always the arctic. We can dig underneith the ground the bury it there.

Either way, we have to do something to create more fuel. Our electric cars that are coming soon wont get powered by air.

You can't even bury a body in the arctic for more than a year or two at the most, you need to do some more research before coming up with these ideas.

[Who's Doing What?]

Like c'mon. In a day of suicide bombers the last thing we need is even more huge targets that if successfully attacked would make Osama and 9/11 look like a kid playing with firecrackers.

No no.. nuclear waste doens't work like that. But I do think that maybe sealing the waste in air tight containers and launcing them into space might be a good idea. We can let it float around and never worry about it again.

All lefties appose this idea, but it's inevitable that eventually our waste will have to go up to space. There's always the arctic. We can dig underneith the ground the bury it there.

Either way, we have to do something to create more fuel. Our electric cars that are coming soon wont get powered by air.

I'm not talking about terrorists attacking the waste. They would be attacking the plants themselves.

As far as the waste goes, you can't shoot it into space. What if it were to re-enter the atmosphere? I don't want a barrel of nuclear sludge landing in my backyard. You can say "Lefties oppose the idea" but anyone with common sense would oppose the idea. Like holy crap man it was just on the news the other day about a russian rocket booster re-entering the atmoshpere. It made for a great light show but the last thing we need is the same display but with a nuclear fallout.

Your other plan to bury it in the arctic is equally absurd. Burying barrels of nuclear material is not the answer. Until there is a usable solution for nuclear waste, nuclear power is not the answer.

[scribblet]

The earth has been cycling for years, and more climate change is an inevitable reality, if you are presumptios enough to think that man can change it, go for it.

In order to effect any change, which would be minor, there would have to be a mass global change of life styles. In fact, a major change would b e no lifestyle, kill off a few hundred million people, go back to a pre-industrialized age, and you might lesson or slow down the changes We cannot stop the inevitable no matter what we do. Its all political, nothing more and any major attempts on a national scale would be suicidal.

In other words there is absolutely no point in doing anything unless every major or developing industrial nation signs on - and guess what China and India are not on board - two of the largest carbon emitters

Two years ago, Canada was already almost 35% above the emissions target to which the Liberals agreed (6% below 1990 levels by 2008-12). .Even if we were to achieve the goals, the impact on global climate change would be zero.

[Catchme]

The earth has been cycling for years, and more climate change is an inevitable reality, if you are presumptios enough to think that man can change it, go for it.

In order to effect any change, which would be minor, there would have to be a mass global change of life styles. In fact, a major change would b e no lifestyle, kill off a few hundred million people, go back to a pre-industrialized age, and you might lesson or slow down the changes We cannot stop the inevitable no matter what we do. Its all political, nothing more and any major attempts on a national scale would be suicidal.

In other words there is absolutely no point in doing anything unless every major or developing industrial nation signs on - and guess what China and India are not on board - two of the largest carbon emitters

Two years ago, Canada was already almost 35% above the emissions target to which the Liberals agreed (6% below 1990 levels by 2008-12). .Even if we were to achieve the goals, the impact on global climate change would be zero.

If man has changed it for the worse, how is it presumptuous to think we could change it for the better?

Those who advocate doing nothing, are absolutely beyond comprehension, Andto use the fact that the USA, China and India are noty buying into it, so why should anyone else even more pathetic an excuse.

And India is NOT one of the world's largerst contributors, that is an absolute fallacy.

India with 1.1 billion people, have 1/10th the GHG emissions that Canada does at 33 million people and Canada with our low population of 33 million people produces 2% of the world's GHG.

And are you some sort of professional that you know if we acheive the goals that the impact would be zero? Please provide proof of that erroneous comment or presumption!

[mikedavid00]

[You can't even bury a body in the arctic for more than a year or two at the most, you need to do some more research before coming up with these ideas.

Well I was just throwing things out there. We can launch the waste over the south pole so if the waste drops it will land in the snow and can just die off in the snow. Hope global warming doens't happen and it gets into our water supply.. hehe

Just kidding.

It's rare to see me put on the left wing idealist hat. When I do, it's not so susccsful.

wait..

Hmm the space idea is actually in consideration so maybe my lib idealisms aren't that bad

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[B. Max]

Those who advocate doing nothing, are absolutely beyond comprehension,

and just exactly what would you do about something you can do nothing about.

[Riverwind]

And India is NOT one of the world's largest contributors, that is an absolute fallacy.

India produces at least 6% of the world's GHG which makes it's contribution 3 times larger than Canada's.

Futhermore, India has 100s of millions of workers that would love to replace high priced Canadian workers. GHG policies that put Canadian companies at a disadvantage compared to third world countries will hurt the Canadian economy and the average Canadian.

[mikedavid00]

India with 1.1 billion people, have 1/10th the GHG emissions that Canada does at 33 million people and Canada with our low population of 33 million people produces 2% of the world's GHG.

You sure do know how to cloud the issues.

Who puts out more greenhouse gasses?

A. India

B. Canada.

A:They are the same country now, haven't you heard! baddabing!

[madmax]

There is still a brown haze over Toronto.

It's your green movement that shut down these nuclear plants in Ontario. Now look at the mess we're in.

You say some crazy, unfactual stuff. Bruce Nuclear was falling apart and sold off as a basket case. Billions is being poured into the Nuclear facilities and there are delays.

Just because the environmentalists would like to have these Nuclear Plants shut down, doesn't mean, their "will" has been the reason why they have been offline.

[geoffrey]

and just exactly what would you do about something you can do nothing about.

Encourage sticking to a failed treaty that only redistributes wealth from us to the 3rd world and does nothing on actual GHG emissions?

Oh ya, been tried.

[MightyAC]

No no.. nuclear waste doens't work like that. But I do think that maybe sealing the waste in air tight containers and launcing them into space might be a good idea. We can let it float around and never worry about it again.

All lefties appose this idea, but it's inevitable that eventually our waste will have to go up to space. There's always the arctic. We can dig underneith the ground the bury it there.

Either way, we have to do something to create more fuel. Our electric cars that are coming soon wont get powered by air.

Where do you come up with this crap? Are you perpetually baked? Dude, put down the spliff and give your head a shake. The room may take a minute or two to stop moving but when it does eat some Doritos, take a nap and reread your post. If it still makes sense to you talk to these people http://www.toronto.cmha.ca/index.htm “Where I’ll be happy to see the nice young men in their clean white coats and they’re coming to take me away ha ha” anyone else remember the Dr. Demento tune?