The War On Truth

[PolyNewbie]

Short Article by Paul Craig Roberts

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He is coauthor of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.

[margrace]

Polynewbie one has only to read the posts on here to find out how suble the truth is twisted by people who obviously are party watchdogs

[PolyNewbie]

margrace:Polynewbie one has only to read the posts on here to find out how suble the truth is twisted by people who obviously are party watchdogs

Agreed, but its not subtle, particularly wrt 911. Its impossible for three buildings to collapse straight down into their own footprint as a result of assymetrical damage and fires in one day. But still people argue for it even though it is completely counterintuitive and can be proven impossible with an elementary knowledge of physics.

The real truth just scares people too much and cognitive dissonance is the dominant thought process.

[sharkman]

Short Article by Paul Craig Roberts

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He is coauthor of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.

OMG Poly! I sense a conspiracy!

[Canadian Blue]

The real truth just scares people too much and cognitive dissonance is the dominant thought process.

Most of your theories are the same as neo-fascist, and anti-semtie Lyndon Larouche. In all honesty I wouldn't be talking much about how the truth scares people when you come out in support of someone who is considered an extremist.

[Canadian Blue]

Here's the truth according to polynewbie.

When you consider your use of the term "anti semetic" is incorrect and molds your thinking you may begin to realize how much of a thought controlled person you are. The Semetic peoples are Arabic not Israeli, but your thinking has been purposely warped to give "Jews" a new name.

I do believe that Israel has an unreasonable amount of control over the USA. I have not yet been convinced that Israel had something to do with 911 - more than Canada and other countries anyway. There is a lot of evidence to suggest that Israel was behind the attacks on 911.

I'm not dodging any of your questions but I will not answer any questions having to do with Jews or the ADL. Someone could misinterpret what I am saying and I could be arrested and thrown in jail just based on the fact that someone chose to misinterpret what I am saying - like you often do on this forum.

The fact is that truth is no defense in a Canadian court room. Its Canadian lawyers that scare me. As far as I am concerned the legal system in Canada is corrupt and I don't want to end up in a court room in front of a judge that changes court transcipts after the hearing is over. I do not want to be threatened and extorted by a gang of Canadian lawyers that worship Lucifer in their spare time and laugh and joke about how corrupt they are.

Polynewbie you do realize that is a link to white nationalist website right?

You gave us a link to a site which is considered a hate site by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

http://www.vdare.com/roberts/061228_tey.htm

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport...cle.jsp?pid=285

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDARE

[PolyNewbie]

I'm ignoring your posts from now on CanadianBlue. Clearly you keep trying to bring the ADL and Jews into the debate about 911 and to this one.

You just want to get someone arrested for saying the wrong thing.

[Canadian Blue]

Why are you going to get arrested? Do you have anti-semitic views on this.

Why did you post a link to a white nationalist website?

I'm ignoring your posts from now on CanadianBlue. Clearly you keep trying to bring the ADL and Jews into the debate about 911 and to this one.

You just want to get someone arrested for saying the wrong thing.

I'm simply pointing out your arguments and debating them. Clearly you must be an anti-semite if you refuse to answer the question's regarding your Larouchite stance.

[PolyNewbie]

CanadianBlue:Clearly you must be an anti-semite if you refuse to answer the question's regarding your Larouchite stance.

No. I have explained to you that I have only looked at LaRouches economic ideas- several times ! I don't know what he says or thinks about Jews, the ADL or 911.

This is you being a pathetic piece of trash and trying to manipulate what I am saying all the time because you cannot win an honest arguement.

You misquoted me in your post above by cherry picking what I said so that it sounds like something else - something incriminating. You must resort to methods like this to win because you are trash.

Thats all I have to say to you ever again.

[Canadian Blue]

No. I have explained to you that I have only looked at LaRouches economic ideas- several times ! I don't know what he says or thinks about Jews, the ADL or 911.

This is you being a pathetic piece of trash and trying to manipulate what I am saying all the time because you cannot win an honest arguement.

You misquoted me in your post above by cherry picking what I said so that it sounds like something else - something incriminating. You must resort to methods like this to win because you are trash.

Thats all I have to say to you ever again.

I don't see how I'm such a huge piece of trash if I'm asking you question's about Larouche. As well you have supported not only Larouche's economic arguments, I am basing this off of posts you made yourself.

Whats the point of debating you if your just going to resort to name calling if you can't get your way.

[sharkman]

I don't see how I'm such a huge piece of trash if I'm asking you question's about Larouche. As well you have supported not only Larouche's economic arguments, I am basing this off of posts you made yourself.

Whats the point of debating you if your just going to resort to name calling if you can't get your way.

Careful Cdn, I think Poly is presently holding his breath and stamping his feet.

[PolyNewbie]

CanadianBlue:Whats the point of debating you if your just going to resort to name calling if you can't get your way.

You keep twisting what I say around, misquoting me and bringing the ADL into arguements and labeling me an anti semite.

You cannot debate so you resort to typical neocon/fascist/sycophant tricks. Go away. I'm done debating you.

[Canadian Blue]

You keep twisting what I say around, misquoting me and bringing the ADL into arguements and labeling me an anti semite.

You cannot debate so you resort to typical neocon/fascist/sycophant tricks. Go away. I'm done debating you.

I'm using your own quote's son!!!

As well a neo-con isn't considered a fascist but a liberal democrat who become a conservative republican. So calling me a neo-con and a fascist you kind of cancelled both of them out making me a centrist. As for sycophant, I don't get anything out of this, and I don't support Bush.

You have come out defending Larouche, and you even said that you would be charged with a hate crime polynewbie, why in the hell would you even say that.

Defend your arguments polynewbie!!!

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When you consider your use of the term "anti semetic" is incorrect and molds your thinking you may begin to realize how much of a thought controlled person you are. The Semetic peoples are Arabic not Israeli, but your thinking has been purposely warped to give "Jews" a new name.

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I do believe that Israel has an unreasonable amount of control over the USA. I have not yet been convinced that Israel had something to do with 911 - more than Canada and other countries anyway. There is a lot of evidence to suggest that Israel was behind the attacks on 911.

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I'm not dodging any of your questions but I will not answer any questions having to do with Jews or the ADL. Someone could misinterpret what I am saying and I could be arrested and thrown in jail just based on the fact that someone chose to misinterpret what I am saying - like you often do on this forum.

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The fact is that truth is no defense in a Canadian court room. Its Canadian lawyers that scare me. As far as I am concerned the legal system in Canada is corrupt and I don't want to end up in a court room in front of a judge that changes court transcipts after the hearing is over. I do not want to be threatened and extorted by a gang of Canadian lawyers that worship Lucifer in their spare time and laugh and joke about how corrupt they are.

All of these quotes were said by you Polynewbie. I'm not twisting anything, I'm simply debating what you have said.

I think polynewbie has just lost the debate, he's about as paranoid as Lyndon Larouche, or polynewbie is Lyndon Larouche.

Polynewbie first you gave us a link to a white nationalist website, and now your calling me the fascist, isn't that abit hypocritical on your part?

[Drea]

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[PolyNewbie]

CanadianBlue:I'm using your own quote's son!!!

No. I am not your son and you are using part of the quotes and taking them out of context.

You are a pathetic little sniveling weasel and you are lucky you are not sitting beside me. I don't care who you are or who you work for. Stay out of my business and my threads.

[Canadian Blue]

No. I am not your son and you are using part of the quotes and taking them out of context.

You are a pathetic little sniveling weasel and you are lucky you are not sitting beside me. I don't care who you are or who you work for. Stay out of my business and my threads.

How so???

The fact is that truth is no defense in a Canadian court room. Its Canadian lawyers that scare me. As far as I am concerned the legal system in Canada is corrupt and I don't want to end up in a court room in front of a judge that changes court transcipts after the hearing is over. I do not want to be threatened and extorted by a gang of Canadian lawyers that worship Lucifer in their spare time and laugh and joke about how corrupt they are.

This post wasn't done out of context. Once again I'm holding you accountable for what you have said on here.

As well I believe we have some lawyers on here and I doubt they worship lucifer as you believe.

[sharkman]

Hmm, that's not like Poly. Saying you're lucky you're not sitting next to him is over the top, though.

[Figleaf]

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Edited July 24, 2007 by Figleaf

[Canadian Blue]

No, but the fact is though in order to be charged with a hate crime you must have said something extremely bigoted. I am against hate crime laws simply because I think the best way to combat racism is through information instead of making it illegal.

As well people have said much worse on the internet, Stormfront is an obvious example, and I haven't heard of anyone getting arrested for postings on that site.

I think the fact Poly has said that lawyers are lucifarian's wearing the "Robes of Satan" is a perfect example of the paranoia that's consuming him.

[frogs]

"You cannot debate so you resort to typical neocon/fascist/sycophant tricks. Go away. I'm done debating you."

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Good for you Poly! There are a number of folks on here that would love to change the meanings of words... just like in the book 1984! They are hoping to get a life someday, and feeling very desparate. No sense in debating their nothingness. They don't even really believe what they say.

And thanks for the reference to Paul. It's great!

[jefferiah]

No, but the fact is though in order to be charged with a hate crime you must have said something extremely bigoted. I am against hate crime laws simply because I think the best way to combat racism is through information instead of making it illegal.

As well people have said much worse on the internet, Stormfront is an obvious example, and I haven't heard of anyone getting arrested for postings on that site.

I think the fact Poly has said that lawyers are lucifarian's wearing the "Robes of Satan" is a perfect example of the paranoia that's consuming him.

To be fair, although I dont agree with Poly I dont think he has said anything anti-Semitic, and I dont think he is either, from what I have read. Actually you dont necessarily have to say something extremely bigotted to face a hate crime charge. This is one of the scary things about it. The definitions of hate become very liberal.

[Guthrie]

No, but the fact is though in order to be charged with a hate crime you must have said something extremely bigoted. I am against hate crime laws simply because I think the best way to combat racism is through information instead of making it illegal.

As well people have said much worse on the internet, Stormfront is an obvious example, and I haven't heard of anyone getting arrested for postings on that site.

I think the fact Poly has said that lawyers are lucifarian's wearing the "Robes of Satan" is a perfect example of the paranoia that's consuming him.

To be fair, although I dont agree with Poly I dont think he has said anything anti-Semitic, and I dont think he is either, from what I have read. Actually you dont necessarily have to say something extremely bigotted to face a hate crime charge. This is one of the scary things about it. The definitions of hate become very liberal.

and what kind of person would be, logically, most likely to make that argument?

[jefferiah]

Poly is not an antisemite. I am sure of it. What he said about being arrested for a hate crime was in direct response to you saying he was an antisemite? He said you were trying to get him arrested. While I don't believe that, Canadian Blue, just give him a break and stop calling him an antisemite. His conspiracy theory is not aimed at Jews. I think I have an idea where he is going. He may even believe the conspiracy is against Jews. Why dont you ask him?

[Canadian Blue]

No, Polynewbie said that he would be charged with a hate crime if he let his views on the ADL known.

Besides, all of his argument's seem to come from neo-fascist Lyndon Larouche. I'm no supporter of hate crimes laws, but when somebody says they would be charged with a hate crime, I'd imagine their racist, anti-semite, or something along those lines. I've also pointed out on many occasion's when he accused pretty well everyone of being a neo-con, fascist, sycophant, how his own conspiracy theories actually have roots in some anti-semitism. Like for example his paranoia about the evil international bankers trying to dominate the world and send us all to concentration camps.

But then again Polynewbie might not be anti-semitic, just suffering from paranoia.

I've asked him about his Lyndon Larouche conspiracy theories, he simply has refused to answer.

[PolyNewbie]

jefferiah:I think I have an idea where he is going. He may even believe the conspiracy is against Jews. Why dont you ask him?

You are right jefferiah, I do believe the conspiracy was against Jews.

Here is why: It took sophisticated planning to pull of 911, yet there is piles of evidence of Jewish involvement, so much so as to lead me to believe they were set up as a scape goat.

Canadian Blue isn't very intelligent, he just uses crap like the word "anti semite" to win arguements when he can't any other way.

Anyone can be charged with a hate crime by the ADL, you have to say anything against the Jews, all you need to have is someone interpret your remarks as anti simetic.

As a Canadian Judge is known for saying " Truth is no defence". The legal system is completely corrupt and I know that from dealing with lawyers. Lawyers are mostly lying manipulative gutless little money grubbing weasels and I do not want to end up in court!