Health Minister Clement

[margrace]

Last Christmas a well beloved politician in our area, Richard Thomas, was badly hurt in an accident. He died several months later. At his memorial service, Mr. Clement was very obvious, glad handing everyone.

Several days ago an invitation to a christmas party sponsored by Mr. Clement was sent to Mr. Thomas. How anyone could be so unfeeling is hard to understand. He was very obvious at that memorial.

This is the same Mr. Clement who in Harris's government saw fit to fire 20% of Ontario's nurses. This is the same Mr. Clement who was so surprised when he was health minister there to discover that a lot of nurses were working part time at several hospitals since they could not get full time. This it was discovered may have helped spread the SARs.

This is the same Mr. Clement who won his seat in a recount by 29 votes when he was rejected by his own riding previously and parashooted into this riding.

This is the same Mr. Clements who ownes 50% of the shares in a drug company. This is the man who controls your health.

[B. Max]

This is the same Mr. Clements who ownes 50% of the shares in a drug company. This is the man who controls your health.

Actually I am in control of my health. You seem to be representative of the ideology that believes government should be in control of everything.

[Saturn]

Last Christmas a well beloved politician in our area, Richard Thomas, was badly hurt in an accident. He died several months later. At his memorial service, Mr. Clement was very obvious, glad handing everyone.

Several days ago an invitation to a christmas party sponsored by Mr. Clement was sent to Mr. Thomas. How anyone could be so unfeeling is hard to understand. He was very obvious at that memorial.

This is the same Mr. Clement who in Harris's government saw fit to fire 20% of Ontario's nurses. This is the same Mr. Clement who was so surprised when he was health minister there to discover that a lot of nurses were working part time at several hospitals since they could not get full time. This it was discovered may have helped spread the SARs.

This is the same Mr. Clement who won his seat in a recount by 29 votes when he was rejected by his own riding previously and parashooted into this riding.

This is the same Mr. Clements who ownes 50% of the shares in a drug company. This is the man who controls your health.

That Mr. Clement is a fine conservative politician. Pushing their own agenda on the backs of Canadians is what fine conservative politicians strive for.

[Saturn]

This is the same Mr. Clements who ownes 50% of the shares in a drug company. This is the man who controls your health.

Actually I am in control of my health. You seem to be representative of the ideology that believes government should be in control of everything.

Actually, it is genetics and your environment which have more control of your health than you do. Like it or not Mr. Clement is in control of your sick-care, not your health-care.

[mikedavid00]

Several days ago an invitation to a christmas party sponsored by Mr. Clement was sent to Mr. Thomas. How anyone could be so unfeeling is hard to understand. He was very obvious at that memorial.

Wow imagine. His staff who sent the invites made a mishape.

This is the same Mr. Clement who in Harris's government saw fit to fire 20% of Ontario's nurses.

And so did Dalton McGuinty when he was elected. Nurses are not the problem with out healthcare sysetem. We actually have so many that many nurses are just working in old age homes.

This is the same Mr. Clement who was so surprised when he was health minister there to discover that a lot of nurses were working part time at several hospitals since they could not get full time.

That's.

Because.

There.

Are.

Too.

Many.

Nurses.

And.

Not.

Enough.

Positions.

To.

Give.

A.

Job.

To.

Everyone.

Who.

Has.

That.

Particular.

Qualification.

Same.

Applies.

To.

Immigrant.

Credentials.

It's the basic law of supply and demand. Stop dreaming of your idealisms and fantasy's of economy according to 'magrace'.

This is the same Mr. Clement who won his seat in a recount by 29 votes when he was rejected by his own riding previously and parashooted into this riding.

Belinda.

This is the same Mr. Clements who ownes 50% of the shares in a drug company. This is the man who controls your health.

Yes. And he should not be controlling our health. We should be.

Don't you get the bigger picture of my above sentence? Saturn? Blueblood? Anyone?

[mikedavid00]

Like it or not Mr. Clement is in control of your sick-care

I agree.

[August1991]

Don't you get the bigger picture of my above sentence? Saturn? Blueblood? Anyone?

Uh, that we have all these problems in health care because Tony Clement is an immigrant?

[jdobbin]

Uh, that we have all these problems in health care because Tony Clement is an immigrant?

I agree. Can't they find a good Canadian to put into the ministry?

[mikedavid00]

Don't you get the bigger picture of my above sentence? Saturn? Blueblood? Anyone?

Uh, that we have all these problems in health care because Tony Clement is an immigrant?

No. That one person should not be charge in the life and death descision making for the country.

http://www.calaborfed.org/pdfs/Healthcare/WalmartandRest.pdf

[Charles Anthony]

I agree. Can't they find a good Canadian to put into the ministry?

We should count our blessings. Before you know it, they might transfer the whole ministry to a call center in East Asia!

[jdobbin]

We should count our blessings. Before you know it, they might transfer the whole ministry to a call center in East Asia!

It might be cheaper.

[geoffrey]

Actually, it is genetics and your environment which have more control of your health than you do. Like it or not Mr. Clement is in control of your sick-care, not your health-care.

Actually, he's not in charge of anything 'real', just an idelogical beaurocracy called Health Canada. Health care is strictly a provincial jurisdiction and Mr. Clement or any Federal intervention is completely unwelcome in it.

Constitution Act, 1867

92. In each Province the Legislature may exclusively make Laws in relation to Matters coming within the Classes of Subjects next hereinafter enumerated; that is to say,

7. The Establishment, Maintenance, and Management of Hospitals, Asylums, Charities, and Eleemosynary Institutions in and for the Province, other than Marine Hospitals.

[B. Max]

Actually, it is genetics and your environment which have more control of your health than you do. Like it or not Mr. Clement is in control of your sick-care, not your health-care.

I would say they are factors in, but not in control of.

[mikedavid00]

Constitution Act, 1867

92. In each Province the Legislature may exclusively make Laws in relation to Matters coming within the Classes of Subjects next hereinafter enumerated; that is to say,

7. The Establishment, Maintenance, and Management of Hospitals, Asylums, Charities, and Eleemosynary Institutions in and for the Province, other than Marine Hospitals.

Look closer. Only the management is in the hands of the province.

The real issue is the funding.

[Ricki Bobbi]

Look closer. Only the management is in the hands of the province.

The real issue is the funding.

So the real issue isn't managment? wtf?

Just throw money at the issue without worrying about how that money is managed .... seems like a very good course of action.

[geoffrey]

Look closer. Only the management is in the hands of the province.

The real issue is the funding.

So the real issue isn't managment? wtf?

Just throw money at the issue without worrying about how that money is managed .... seems like a very good course of action.

Umm... financing operations is part of management. I insist that health care is out of the constitutional reach of the Federal government, especially with for profit hospitals.

[mikedavid00]

Look closer. Only the management is in the hands of the province.

The real issue is the funding.

So the real issue isn't managment? wtf?

Just throw money at the issue without worrying about how that money is managed .... seems like a very good course of action.

It's not management at this point. It needs far, far, more money. We don't have sufficient equpment, hospitials, and staffed beds. In Ontario our MRI machine is running 24 hours believe it or not.

Of course.. needless to say I'm well aware of how much money they waste and put in their pockets, but you can't fight their unions or try to change their ways.

[mikedavid00]

Look closer. Only the management is in the hands of the province.

The real issue is the funding.

So the real issue isn't managment? wtf?

Just throw money at the issue without worrying about how that money is managed .... seems like a very good course of action.

Umm... financing operations is part of management. I insist that health care is out of the constitutional reach of the Federal government, especially with for profit hospitals.

If you have 8 dimes and a chocolate bar costs a dollar, you can assemble the dimes any which way you wish, you still wont get the chocolate bar.

[geoffrey]

Look closer. Only the management is in the hands of the province.

The real issue is the funding.

So the real issue isn't managment? wtf?

Just throw money at the issue without worrying about how that money is managed .... seems like a very good course of action.

Umm... financing operations is part of management. I insist that health care is out of the constitutional reach of the Federal government, especially with for profit hospitals.

If you have 8 dimes and a chocolate bar costs a dollar, you can assemble the dimes any which way you wish, you still wont get the chocolate bar.

Provinces could fund their own system then.

[Saturn]

Actually, he's not in charge of anything 'real', just an idelogical beaurocracy called Health Canada. Health care is strictly a provincial jurisdiction and Mr. Clement or any Federal intervention is completely unwelcome in it.

Yes, that's pretty lucky. He already was in charge of the real thing and ouch! He is still in charge of what Harper calls one of his key priorities though and the feds do have some power/responsibilities in the area of health.

[mikedavid00]

Provinces could fund their own system then.

I agree. Some will realize that they need to lay off quite a bit of white collar welfare workers in order for it to function.

[guyser]

This is the same Mr. Clement who was so surprised when he was health minister there to discover that a lot of nurses were working part time at several hospitals since they could not get full time.

That's.

Because.

There.

Are.

Too.

Many.

Nurses.

And.

Not.

Enough.

Positions.

To.

Give.

A.

Job.

To.

Everyone.

Who.

Has.

That.

Particular.

Qualification.

Same.

Applies.

To.

Immigrant.

Credentials.

Google nursing shortage and you will get your answers. Its the lack of money, not too many with credentials.

And I see you manage to throw in more insults towards the immigrants. Wonderful!

On the hour, do you come out and say something?

[guyser]

Provinces could fund their own system then.

I agree. Some will realize that they need to lay off quite a bit of white collar welfare workers in order for it to function.

And yet just last week you opined that there are no "good white collar jobs paying $52,000+ " for you to move and take.

So which is it? Lay them off and keep your current or open it up so you can have one?

[madmax]

[umm... financing operations is part of management. I insist that health care is out of the constitutional reach of the Federal government, especially with for profit hospitals.

You don't have to insist. I am certain this has been pointed out before. Health Care is the domain of the Provinces. Health Care used to be in the private domain. People couldn't afford it. Obviously, one Province at a time started dabbling in Public Health Care to lower the costs. The Federal Government, starting with the Chief, wanted to see these systems across Canada, but each province was doing there own system in an add hoc manner. Eventually, the Canada Health Act was created. It has a criteria that Provinces have to meet to get the money. They could always opt out and run Health Care on their without the federal cash. And since Paul Martin, he has reduced Transfer payments to the Provinces so that the Proportion of HealthCare cash has continued to go down, while the tax revenues continued to rise. Decrease Services and give the tax money away to pals not provinces. All Provinces had to look for ways to abdicate their responsibilities to the private sector. Unless the Feds increase the money, Provinces are forced to either delist services and let the private sector do the work with Cash or Private Insurance, or just go to a Private system fully, and opt out of the Canada Health Act, and stop receiving all transfer payments.

The Canada Health Act is just free money for the Provinces. Harper could increase the transfer payments back up to their traditional levels, or he could scrap the act.

We will either have a universal health care system or we won't.

We have an excellent system, when properly funded.

Governments will have to determine what that system is.

[mikedavid00]

And yet just last week you opined that there are no "good white collar jobs paying $52,000+ " for you to move and take.

So which is it? Lay them off and keep your current or open it up so you can have one?

I said white collar welfare. Those are gov't jobs.

I am from Ottawa as of 2.5 years ago now residing in the GTA. I worked at the Department of National defence. I can tell you that all these gov't jobs are white collar welfare. We did absolutely nothing but take tax payers money.

We came to work at 8:45am.

Went to tim hortons from 9:30 - 10:30 for a morning break.

We went to to lunch at 11:50 - 1:15.

Went hom at 3:30 pm or when we felt like it.

From wed onwards in afternoons it was very commong to see most of the floors empty becuase everyone went home. All the gov't buildings I was in were like this.

Health Canada is amongst the worst. It's a HUGE building.. probably the biggest of all federal gov't buildings. It's unreal the waste in that place. My ex was a co-op there from Vancouver. She had the same hours as me and pretty much did nothing all day there but talk on the phone with me.

This level of gov't needs to be taken away. But saying it and doing it is 2 different things. Let the provinces handle it and realize they can't provide service to their citizens which will violate laws.