gc1765 Posted December 15, 2006 Report Posted December 15, 2006 Toronto — A judge's order to have a Christmas tree moved from the lobby of an Ontario courthouse for fear it would offend non-Christians backfired Thursday, drawing the ire of everyone from the Muslim Canadian Congress to Premier Dalton McGuinty.Ontario Court Justice Marion Cohen ordered the tree moved from the lobby of the Toronto courthouse to an out-of-the-way corridor because it was a Christian symbol that might not make everyone entering the building feel comfortable. "This is stupidity and takes political correctness to new heights," said Farzana Hassan, president of the Muslim Canadian Congress. "We should ban political correctness, not the Christmas tree." http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/National/home Could it be that Muslims are not as intolerant as some people like to believe? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
blueblood Posted December 15, 2006 Report Posted December 15, 2006 Toronto — A judge's order to have a Christmas tree moved from the lobby of an Ontario courthouse for fear it would offend non-Christians backfired Thursday, drawing the ire of everyone from the Muslim Canadian Congress to Premier Dalton McGuinty.Ontario Court Justice Marion Cohen ordered the tree moved from the lobby of the Toronto courthouse to an out-of-the-way corridor because it was a Christian symbol that might not make everyone entering the building feel comfortable. "This is stupidity and takes political correctness to new heights," said Farzana Hassan, president of the Muslim Canadian Congress. "We should ban political correctness, not the Christmas tree." http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/National/home Could it be that Muslims are not as intolerant as some people like to believe? the thing that troubles me is that people think all muslims are intolerant, I wouldn't say that, I'd say the people that live in the middle east are intolerant if we're generalizing here. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
gc1765 Posted December 15, 2006 Author Report Posted December 15, 2006 I'd say the people that live in the middle east are intolerant if we're generalizing here. Some of them, yes. Probably moreso than Muslims living in the "west". I agree with that. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
cybercoma Posted December 15, 2006 Report Posted December 15, 2006 All religious types are intolerant. From the Christians in the Southern United States, to the Muslims in the Middle East and all the other types in-between; religion breeds intolerance. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson
DarkAngel_ Posted December 15, 2006 Report Posted December 15, 2006 All religious types are intolerant. From the Christians in the Southern United States, to the Muslims in the Middle East and all the other types in-between; religion breeds intolerance. yes but to a point, tolerance is a natrural detachment from something that gives a negitive emotional resonse. some just suck at it. Quote men of freedom walk with guns in broad daylight, and as the weak are killed freedom becomes nothing but a dream...
Slavik44 Posted December 15, 2006 Report Posted December 15, 2006 Personally I don't even associate a Christmas tree with the Christian religion...it is so secularized that it may as well be a six foot tall air freshner. I can't say the same for a the ten commandments or certian exclusive religous texts...is this just me? Do people see a Christmas tree as a symbol of Christianity or religion? Perhaps I am the one who is mistaken. Quote The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. - Ayn Rand --------- http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Economic Left/Right: 4.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54 Last taken: May 23, 2007
gc1765 Posted December 15, 2006 Author Report Posted December 15, 2006 Personally I don't even associate a Christmas tree with the Christian religion...it is so secularized that it may as well be a six foot tall air freshner. I can't say the same for a the ten commandments or certian exclusive religous texts...is this just me? Do people see a Christmas tree as a symbol of Christianity or religion? Perhaps I am the one who is mistaken. Actually, I agree with you. I'm not religious, but I celebrate Christmas. A lot of people are the same way. Very few people I know are actually religious, but aside from Jews, Muslims etc. everyone I know celebrates Christmas. IOW, I can't think of anyone I know who is not religious and doesn't celebrate Christmas. Obviously a Christmas tree doesn't offend me personally, though I don't think the ten commandments should be displayed in something like a court. But, who knows, perhaps there are people out there (just not many) who feel the same way about a Christmas tree as I and many others feel about the ten commandments. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
DarkAngel_ Posted December 15, 2006 Report Posted December 15, 2006 i 3rd the giant air freshener opinion... "not all that religious people, they smell good though, and often are good for building houses," that's what i'd say to those people.... "hug a tree, please." on a brighter note here in the states: Muslims are backing off this year on the "merry Christmas" bit, and also have excepted it as a national holiday that is a part of western culture, not of Christianity. But some people are not letting up. Unfortunately we have religious war in other area’s: the dollar bill, advertisement, video games, agenda, politics, ect. I am an atheist and find this bad-bashing to be pathetic. Now to make: a giant air freshener! Look out Canada your going to be smelling the fresh car scent for this Christmas!! Mwahahahahahahahahah!!!! Quote men of freedom walk with guns in broad daylight, and as the weak are killed freedom becomes nothing but a dream...
Leafless Posted December 15, 2006 Report Posted December 15, 2006 The only apparent reason Muslims did not object was because: " The Ontario legislature celebrated the Hindu holiday of Diwali a few weeks ago, the Islamic holiday Eid shortly afterward, and will mark Hannukah next week with the lighting of a menorah, Mr. McGuinty noted." This sort of evened the odds pertaining to the 'Ontario Legislature' as far as Muslims THERE were concerned. Let's hear what Ontario cities and towns have to say, about Muslim intolerance and NOT only the the political, religious appeasing 'Ontario Legislature'. Quote
jbg Posted December 18, 2006 Report Posted December 18, 2006 Could it be that Muslims are not as intolerant as some people like to believe? If intolerance includes wanting us dead or in servitude, they are intolerant. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
gc1765 Posted December 18, 2006 Author Report Posted December 18, 2006 Could it be that Muslims are not as intolerant as some people like to believe? If intolerance includes wanting us dead or in servitude, they are intolerant. Where in the article does it say they "want us dead"? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
DarkAngel_ Posted December 18, 2006 Report Posted December 18, 2006 Where in the article does it say they "want us dead"? i know!! pick me!!! its coded into the colors in this web site!! ***MUST KILL ELMER AND FREINDS*** Quote men of freedom walk with guns in broad daylight, and as the weak are killed freedom becomes nothing but a dream...
Figleaf Posted December 18, 2006 Report Posted December 18, 2006 Why on Earth is it necessary to decorate courthouses with religious symbols of any kind? What civil servant wasted my tax dollars issuing a purchase order, selecting a vendor, arranging appropriate delivery, insuring, setting up and taking down, a tree and decorations for a goddamn courthouse? Quote
stignasty Posted December 19, 2006 Report Posted December 19, 2006 The thread is titled "Christmas tree banned from courthouse," yet the article says no such thing. "Ontario Court Justice Marion Cohen ordered the tree moved from the lobby of the Toronto courthouse to an out-of-the-way corridor because it was a Christian symbol that might not make everyone entering the building feel comfortable." Do I agree with the decision? no. Is the thread an attempt to arouse people emotionally based on a false premise? yes. Quote "It may not be true, but it's legendary that if you're like all Americans, you know almost nothing except for your own country. Which makes you probably knowledgeable about one more country than most Canadians." - Stephen Harper
gc1765 Posted December 19, 2006 Author Report Posted December 19, 2006 The thread is titled "Christmas tree banned from courthouse," yet the article says no such thing."Ontario Court Justice Marion Cohen ordered the tree moved from the lobby of the Toronto courthouse to an out-of-the-way corridor because it was a Christian symbol that might not make everyone entering the building feel comfortable." Do I agree with the decision? no. Is the thread an attempt to arouse people emotionally based on a false premise? yes. The title of the thread should have said "Christmas tree banned from courthouse lobby" which is the title of This CBC article . I don't even know if it's possible to edit the title of a thread without notifying the moderator (which I think is an unnecessary hassle for such a small matter). Why do you think this thread was meant to "arouse people emotionally based on a false premise" rather than a simple mistake? Do you have anything to back up such a suggestion? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
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