Liberal-Media Love In

[JerrySeinfeld]

Man, that was too much to take this weekend - the Liberal Party Convention.

An embarassing display of two old friends: Canada's mainstream media (CBC, CTV nationally) and the Liberal party, cozying up to say

"OK, we've had our time out - we've done our penance for stealing billions from Canada, now let's get back to serious business, pick a leader and continue our undisputed rule over Canada"

I'd be interested to see the extent of coverage when compared to the CPC's leadership convention. I bet it's not even close....

[Saturn]

Man, that was too much to take this weekend - the Liberal Party Convention.

An embarassing display of two old friends: Canada's mainstream media (CBC, CTV nationally) and the Liberal party, cozying up to say

"OK, we've had our time out - we've done our penance for stealing billions from Canada, now let's get back to serious business, pick a leader and continue our undisputed rule over Canada"

I'd be interested to see the extent of coverage when compared to the CPC's leadership convention. I bet it's not even close....

Ah, shut up! CTV and friends endorsed Harper in the last election. Do you expect anyone to take your left-wing media rant seriously? The amount of coverage for the two conventions was exactly the same. Just get over it.

[Who's Doing What?]

How pathetic to see the Liberals can't even have a leadership race without the conservatives crying about Left-wing Media bias.

Grow up!!!

[Technocrat]

The CPC bashes the media at their own peril...

Then bitch when the media doesn't love them...

The CPC most definitely did get favourable coverage last election... even on the freakn CBC.

[watching&waiting]

The media loves the Liberals because they make their job sooo easy for them. The scandel a week was even sometimes two a week when the liberals werer in power. Even after this leadership convention the leader they picked who was over looked in the main adscam but was definitely in the know during that time, also has never been oked at how he blew 4 billion dollars and never showed any progress in the environment. Now that he is leader that will be looked at and if as I suspect we will just have another liberal scandel on the go. That is why the media like the liberals so much.

[bk59]

I'd be interested to see the extent of coverage when compared to the CPC's leadership convention. I bet it's not even close....

The coverage this weekend was exactly the same as the last Progressive Conservative leadership convention, the last Conservative Party of Canada leadership election, etc. Just because you don't like the party doesn't mean that they got special coverage. As I remember it, all leadership conventions get that much coverage. Unless you're the Green party or something...

Even after this leadership convention the leader they picked who was over looked in the main adscam but was definitely in the know during that time

Typical partisan tripe. There is an investigation and inquiry and nothing turns up. But now Dion is the leader therefore he must have been involved. In fact, he was "definitely in the know".

If you want to spew nonsense do it right. Dion was stealing money from little old ladies in downtown Montreal while Harper was positioning army troops on Toronto street corners.

[August1991]

Typical partisan tripe. There is an investigation and inquiry and nothing turns up. But now Dion is the leader therefore he must have been involved. In fact, he was "definitely in the know".

Dion was Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs when all the lavish spending for advertising to promote federalism in Quebec was approved. Are saying that he didn't know about it?

Listen to Dion's voice bristle when he says that his integrity and honesty are beyond reproach.

It is the Chretien Liberals that are back in control and they genuinely believe they did nothing wrong. I have never heard Dion apologize or explain in any way what happened under Adscam.

[Drea]

It's History.

Fer pete sake --

Chretien = Dion

so Harper = Kim Campbell?

After all at one point she was the leader/pm. So it makes sense to say that Harper is just another facet of dear Kim..

Bwaaaaa haaa haaaa

[gerryhatrick]

How pathetic to see the Liberals can't even have a leadership race without the conservatives crying about Left-wing Media bias.

Grow up!!!

No kidding. It's pathetic.

But you have to understand it's the rightwing MO to constantly complain about the media.

They see non-bias as bias. Anything that isn't biased towards Conservatives is biased.

[scribblet]

Listen to Dion's voice bristle when he says that his integrity and honesty are beyond reproach.

It is the Chretien Liberals that are back in control and they genuinely believe they did nothing wrong. I have never heard Dion apologize or explain in any way what happened under Adscam.

That's the crux of it isn't it, they will never admit there was anything wrong, they just keep on insisting they are the 'natural governing party' - by some divine right of Kings (or maybe that should be the divine right of Liberals) to rule.

What liberal media bias? http://www.stephentaylor.ca/archives/000717.html

Last year, Liberal Environment Minister Stephane Dion was given the "fossil of the day" award for not doing enough for the environment. Number of news stories in Canada on this embarrassment? Zero.

This year, Conservative Environment Minister Rona Ambrose was given the "fossil of the day" award by for not doing enough for the environment. Number of news stories in Canada on this embarrassment? 193.

[August1991]

Chretien = Dion

so Harper = Kim Campbell?

Harper, to my knowledge, never served under Kim Campbell nor under Mulroney because he wasn't in the same party.

Dion, OTOH, went to Ottawa at Chretien's invitation and served in Chretien's cabinet as Minister of a department directly related to the sponsorship programme.

There's this idea about that Dion is somehow the Liberal anti-establishment candidate. Here's how Kinsella views Dion's win:

Last night, Omar and I and Jimmy went to the Gerard Kennedy gang party - and they, too, are a winning team. Justin Trudeau was there, and my brother Prem Vinning, and lots of other folks I haven't seen in three years and a few days - since November 2003, in fact. You know, when the "transformative change" started.

That "transformative change" drove me and quite a few of my friends out of the Liberal Party. At its nadir, it included anonymous allegations of criminality, the Gomery Commission, threats made to clients, and a blizzard of lawsuits. The lawsuits are still unresolved, too, leaving me and my family with a lot of unpaid legal bills. I won't spin you: it was designed to ruin lives, and it did. Mission accomplished.

So, when a few folks said: "We need you back," it was flattering and kind, but the jury's still out for me. Dion and Poulin will do some long-overdue housecleaning, and maybe a much-needed forensic review of the books, too. But (a) family ( Daisy © health issues and (d) getting McGuinty re-elected are my personal priorities for 2007.

Chretien had two candidates in the Liberal race: Rae and Dion.

What is more pertinent is that many Liberal apparatchiks think Dion is their ticket back to the trough.

But you have to understand it's the rightwing MO to constantly complain about the media.

They see non-bias as bias. Anything that isn't biased towards Conservatives is biased.

Look Gerry, all of the English-media news reports have been sympathetic to the Liberal convention and they're now fawning over Dion. (The French media is different.)

Does this matter? No. It just means that Harper won't get a sympathetic hearing. There's nothing new in saying that. Harper can still go over the media's heads and speak directly to Canadians.

What the CBC/Toronto media says and and what English Canadians think are two different things.

[stignasty]

Last year, Liberal Environment Minister Stephane Dion was given the "fossil of the day" award for not doing enough for the environment. Number of news stories in Canada on this embarrassment? Zero.

This year, Conservative Environment Minister Rona Ambrose was given the "fossil of the day" award by for not doing enough for the environment. Number of news stories in Canada on this embarrassment? 193.

http://news.google.ca/news?hl=en&ned=&ie=U...tnG=Search+News

[bk59]

Dion was Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs when all the lavish spending for advertising to promote federalism in Quebec was approved. Are saying that he didn't know about it?

Listen to Dion's voice bristle when he says that his integrity and honesty are beyond reproach.

It is the Chretien Liberals that are back in control and they genuinely believe they did nothing wrong. I have never heard Dion apologize or explain in any way what happened under Adscam.

Harper, to my knowledge, never served under Kim Campbell nor under Mulroney because he wasn't in the same party.

Dion, OTOH, went to Ottawa at Chretien's invitation and served in Chretien's cabinet as Minister of a department directly related to the sponsorship programme.

Of course Dion knew about the sponsorship programme. But there is absolutely no proof anywhere that he did anything illegal even after the whole thing was investigated by the RCMP, Gomery Inquiry, etc. Saying Dion is dirty is no different than saying Harper is going to put troops on the streets.

Your logic so far: Some members of the Liberal party used the sponsorship programme for illegal purposes. Dion was a member of the government and a member of the Liberal party. Therefore, Dion is corrupt.

Let's stick with this logic: Some members of the Reform party made racist comments and advocated racist policies. Harper was a member of the Reform party and a key policy adivsor to the party and Manning. Therefore, Harper is a racist.

I don't believe either of the above scenarios are true.

Look Gerry, all of the English-media news reports have been sympathetic to the Liberal convention and they're now fawning over Dion. (The French media is different.)

Does this matter? No. It just means that Harper won't get a sympathetic hearing. There's nothing new in saying that. Harper can still go over the media's heads and speak directly to Canadians.

What the CBC/Toronto media says and and what English Canadians think are two different things.

As far as I can tell the media have been no more sympathetic to this recent Liberal convention than they have been with past Progressive Conservative, Canadian Alliance, and Conservative Party conventions.

Harper gets a pretty fair shake in the media. But he'll never get a sympathetic media when he goes out of his way to treat them like dirt. And he has only his own policy to blame for that.

[jdobbin]

It is the Chretien Liberals that are back in control and they genuinely believe they did nothing wrong.

And they'll be re-elected too. All because of the crypto-left wing liberal media conspiracy.

[jdobbin]

What liberal media bias? http://www.stephentaylor.ca/archives/000717.html

Last year, Liberal Environment Minister Stephane Dion was given the "fossil of the day" award for not doing enough for the environment. Number of news stories in Canada on this embarrassment? Zero.

This year, Conservative Environment Minister Rona Ambrose was given the "fossil of the day" award by for not doing enough for the environment. Number of news stories in Canada on this embarrassment? 193.

This is the first year they did a news release on "fossil of the year." Does that make a difference?

[gerryhatrick]

As far as I can tell the media have been no more sympathetic to this recent Liberal convention than they have been with past Progressive Conservative, Canadian Alliance, and Conservative Party conventions.

You are absolutely correct.

Again, the MO of rightwingers is to complain about the media.

The reality is the media has been examining Dion and the supposed "divisions" in the Liberal party pretty thouroughly.

I've heard/read LOT'S in the media about how Dion has such a big challange ahead in Quebec and in his own party.

Saying the media has been "fawning" over him us pure dishonest partisan hackery.

[mikedavid00]

Man, that was too much to take this weekend - the Liberal Party Convention.

An embarassing display of two old friends: Canada's mainstream media (CBC, CTV nationally) and the Liberal party, cozying up to say

"OK, we've had our time out - we've done our penance for stealing billions from Canada, now let's get back to serious business, pick a leader and continue our undisputed rule over Canada"

I'd be interested to see the extent of coverage when compared to the CPC's leadership convention. I bet it's not even close....

Did you hear about Ignatieff pushing a reporters microphone out of his face and telling securtity "get her out of here!" like they would throw her out of the convention! lol..

See him in the house of commons today? He was like a fish out of water.

[gerryhatrick]

Did you hear about Ignatieff pushing a reporters microphone out of his face and telling securtity "get her out of here!" like they would throw her out of the convention! lol..

See him in the house of commons today? He was like a fish out of water.

You're a dishonest poster.

[Saturn]

What the CBC/Toronto media says and and what English Canadians think are two different things.

Your arrogance is quite astonishing. I suppose you are the barometer on what English Canadians think. It's real nice of you to let us know what we think.

[Saturn]

Did you hear about Ignatieff pushing a reporters microphone out of his face and telling securtity "get her out of here!" like they would throw her out of the convention! lol..

See him in the house of commons today? He was like a fish out of water.

Ya, Harper actually kicks out people when they ask uncomfortable questions. Than he shuts them out altogether. Turner and Chong are like fish out of water too - can't be that nice to sit in the nosebleed section.

[Saturn]

As far as I can tell the media have been no more sympathetic to this recent Liberal convention than they have been with past Progressive Conservative, Canadian Alliance, and Conservative Party conventions.

You are absolutely correct.

Again, the MO of rightwingers is to complain about the media.

The reality is the media has been examining Dion and the supposed "divisions" in the Liberal party pretty thouroughly.

I've heard/read LOT'S in the media about how Dion has such a big challange ahead in Quebec and in his own party.

Saying the media has been "fawning" over him us pure dishonest partisan hackery.

Of course it is. The right-wingers' MO is to repeat the same lie ad nauseam until they are convinced it's true. As if repeating the same thing a thousand times eventually makes it true. Pfff.

[BC_chick]

Man, that was too much to take this weekend - the Liberal Party Convention.

An embarassing display of two old friends: Canada's mainstream media (CBC, CTV nationally) and the Liberal party, cozying up to say

"OK, we've had our time out - we've done our penance for stealing billions from Canada, now let's get back to serious business, pick a leader and continue our undisputed rule over Canada"

I'd be interested to see the extent of coverage when compared to the CPC's leadership convention. I bet it's not even close....

I will never understand these allegations of left-wing media. It's the MEDIA people, they report what both sides do. They've been reporting Harper's antics for a year now. Nobody accuses them of being right-wing. They OVERKILLED the Belinda/Harper debates, and nobody said it's right-wing media.

As soon as Liberals are in the news - that's it! BIAS!!!!

[geoffrey]

I enjoy how much they reported Dion's fossil of the day when they said that Ambrose's award was evidence that the CPC was terrible with the environment (which they are, but the Liberals are far worse). They then go on saying the Liberals will gain support because of it... HA!

[Saturn]

I enjoy how much they reported Dion's fossil of the day when they said that Ambrose's award was evidence that the CPC was terrible with the environment (which they are, but the Liberals are far worse). They then go on saying the Liberals will gain support because of it... HA!

Don't twist the issue. The liberals had some intention to deal with Kyoto but they were trying to kiss Albertan ass and appease the poluters which was a stupid move and a lost cause anyway. It was a bad strategy because it only got them in trouble but they've learned their lesson. Canada had a poor environmental record but there was willingness to deal with the problem and other countries were supportive and trying to help (because pushing too hard could have backfired - as Harper just learned from his chinese fiasco). The conservatives on the other hand, are fully intentionally doing absolutely nothing about our emissions (and given the polluters a green light) but are also trying to sabotage the Kyoto agreement altogether by starting renegociations and pushing countries that have a hard time or internal pressures against limiting emissions to take Canada's lead and destroy Kyoto altogether. That's why Rona became the most despised person at the summit and Canada got into the international media in a very bad way. Claiming that it happened because of some bias in the media is disingenous.

[geoffrey]

How do we know the Liberals 'learnt their lesson'? They are the party of big business, I doubt if all of their funders would be completely unaffected by a Kyoto implementation.

I really struggle with that. The Liberals have never, EVER, done anything for the environment. Mulroney was a leader on it... Chrieten or Martin weren't.

Signing a peice of paper is really nothing in reality. It's my biggest problem with the Liberal party. It's all ideology, signing Kyoto doesn't mean anything. It doesn't produce results. Their results are ugly. The Liberals are clearly the party of complete environmental failure.