Rumsfeld departure a sad loss

[Black Dog]

Typical lefty view - ghettoizing the war like Mr. Kerry. The only people who wage war are soldiers? LOL.

Maybe in lefty ivorytowerland. NATIONS wage war my friend. And that means you don't send Kerry's interpretation of white trash overseas , then stab their mission in the back while stating that you "support the troops".

Yeah: you're a real warrior, dude. First to fight (on the X-Box).

It's one thing to support the war. It's another thing to cop the macho tough guy pose to slag off others while you cower safe at home. If you're going to call others out for cowardice, you'd beter have sand in your asscrack, boy. Otherwise you're nothing but a chickenhawk chickenshit.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Typical lefty view - ghettoizing the war like Mr. Kerry. The only people who wage war are soldiers? LOL.

Maybe in lefty ivorytowerland. NATIONS wage war my friend. And that means you don't send Kerry's interpretation of white trash overseas , then stab their mission in the back while stating that you "support the troops".

Yeah: you're a real warrior, dude. First to fight (on the X-Box).

It's one thing to support the war. It's another thing to cop the macho tough guy pose to slag off others while you cower safe at home. If you're going to call others out for cowardice, you'd beter have sand in your asscrack, boy. Otherwise you're nothing but a chickenhawk chickenshit.

As I said: nations go to war. Wars are more than just guns. Wars are ideas and values.

I support what our troops and American troops are fighting for overseas and I speak up in their defense and value their contribution to what is right and good in this world, which is a heck of alot more than you and the other Hussein/Ahmedinejad/JongIl apologists can say.

[Black Dog]

As I said: nations go to war. Wars are more than just guns. Wars are ideas and values.

I support what our troops and American troops are fighting for overseas and I speak up in their defense and value their contribution to what is right and good in this world, which is a heck of alot more than you and the other Hussein/Ahmedinejad/JongIl apologists can say.

You expect us to believe that sitting in your gonch and cut'n'pasting Ann Coulter columns is a noble and brave endevour on par with actually fighting the war you enthusiastically support? You and your ilk contribute nothing, your "support" means nothing, yet you have the unmitigated gall to denigrate the courage and integrity of those who disagree, while adopting a warrior pose despite lacking the courage of your supposed convictions to stand up and do something meaningful.

In other words: BWAK BWAK BWAK BWAK-AWK!

[JerrySeinfeld]

As I said: nations go to war. Wars are more than just guns. Wars are ideas and values.

I support what our troops and American troops are fighting for overseas and I speak up in their defense and value their contribution to what is right and good in this world, which is a heck of alot more than you and the other Hussein/Ahmedinejad/JongIl apologists can say.

You expect us to believe that sitting in your gonch and cut'n'pasting Ann Coulter columns is a noble and brave endevour on par with actually fighting the war you enthusiastically support? You and your ilk contribute nothing, your "support" means nothing, yet you have the unmitigated gall to denigrate the courage and integrity of those who disagree, while adopting a warrior pose despite lacking the courage of your supposed convictions to stand up and do something meaningful.

In other words: BWAK BWAK BWAK BWAK-AWK!

At least I have the courage to stand up to those who march down the street supoprting the Taliban.

But I wouldn't expect you to understand the importance of that.

Your a lefty: what in heavens name would you know about standing up for your country?

[Chrissy1979]

Where are there people marching in support of the Taliban in Canada? And YOU stood up to them? In person or from your anonymous postings online?

But you're a chickenhawk who supports soldiers getting blown up so that Bush and Cheney can try and save face in a doomed war. What would you know about actually fighting?

[JerrySeinfeld]

Where are there people marching in support of the Taliban in Canada? And YOU stood up to them? In person or from your anonymous postings online?

But you're a chickenhawk who supports soldiers getting blown up so that Bush and Cheney can try and save face in a doomed war. What would you know about actually fighting?

FYI SIgns that say "CANADA OUT OF AFGHANISTAN" implicitly support the return of the Taliban.

[Chrissy1979]

FYI SIgns that say "CANADA OUT OF AFGHANISTAN" implicitly support the return of the Taliban.

And how do you courageously stand up to them? Did you risk your life doing so?

[JerrySeinfeld]

FYI SIgns that say "CANADA OUT OF AFGHANISTAN" implicitly support the return of the Taliban.

And how do you courageously stand up to them? Did you risk your life doing so?

I speak out whenever I get the chance.

Trust me - a room full of lefty Bush haters is risky bizness Yuo all buy into the same bullshit and can't believe someone would actually support Bush.

[Black Dog]

At least I have the courage to stand up to those who march down the street supoprting the Taliban.

But I wouldn't expect you to understand the importance of that.

Yeah, I'm sure someone like our own Army Guy patrolling some Afghan backwater amid the omnipresent threat of bombs and bullets would think to themselves "thank god there's people at home willing to make the sacrifice of rolling down their windows to yell cusswords at hippies and little old ladies."

Your a lefty: what in heavens name would you know about standing up for your country?

Well, shit, I'm a lefty: we're not supposed to stand up for our country, remember? What's your excuse, chicken?

[JerrySeinfeld]

At least I have the courage to stand up to those who march down the street supoprting the Taliban.

But I wouldn't expect you to understand the importance of that.

Yeah, I'm sure someone like our own Army Guy patrolling some Afghan backwater amid the omnipresent threat of bombs and bullets would think to themselves "thank god there's people at home willing to make the sacrifice of rolling down their windows to yell cusswords at hippies and little old ladies."

Your a lefty: what in heavens name would you know about standing up for your country?

Well, shit, I'm a lefty: we're not supposed to stand up for our country, remember? What's your excuse, chicken?

All I know is I'm one step up on you by beliving in my country and speaking out in favor of our mission.

[Liam]

... The U.S. and it's allies went into Iraq to topple Saddam and search out Al Qaeda terrorist...

Rumsfeld did his part well as no one in the WORLD has the capability to plan ahead concerning this conflict or even truly coming to grips with the enormous volatile ramifications this initial conflict has presented.

Uhhh, really? If we went in there to root out al-Qaeda, this is the first I've heard of it. Of course Cheney and Bush kept conflating Iraq and 9/11 -- which no one with two brain cells believed -- only to later issue "no, we never said Saddam was responsible for 9/11" statements when the press stopped rolling over for them. Did you drop off the GOP talking points email list?

Rumsfeld is a smart guy, but the planning of the war and the administration of the post-war period (are we even in it?) were unmitigated disasters. Whether that was the fault of Rumsfeld or Bush will come out after the Democrats are sworn in and start poring over the files and internal memos and intelligence reports.

If Iraq is the way it is because Bush went against Rumsfeld's counsel (i.e., Bush wanted a small, light force to topple Saddam), then Rumsfeld should have either done whatever was necessary to shake Bush of disillusion or resign in protest once it became obvious the war was going downhill.

If Iraq is the way it is because of Rumsfeld's obstinance and ego, then he was an utter failure as Defense Secretary.

Either way, Rumsfeld's legacy will be one of incompetence and dishonor. He will not be missed outside the Beltway and certainly not in the battlefields around the globe.

[Chrissy1979]

All I know is I'm one step up on you by beliving in my country and speaking out in favor of our mission.

Speaking out anonymously. One step up would be a visit to your Armed Forces recruitment centre. Until then, you aren't really supporting anything.

[JerrySeinfeld]

All I know is I'm one step up on you by beliving in my country and speaking out in favor of our mission.

Speaking out anonymously. One step up would be a visit to your Armed Forces recruitment centre. Until then, you aren't really supporting anything.

Bullshit. Nice try though - trying to include me in your culture of indifference and self-loathing anti-troop crap.

[Black Dog]

All I know is I'm one step up on you by beliving in my country and speaking out in favor of our mission.

That and a toonie will get you a double-double down at the Timmy's. Now that we've established your total irrelevance, will you drop the macho act or put your ass on the line where it counts?

[Chrissy1979]

Bullshit. Nice try though - trying to include me in your culture of indifference and self-loathing anti-troop crap.

If you weren't indifferent, you would make sacrifices. Cindy Sheehan has made a lot of sacrifices and she's a supposedly indifferent "lefty". What are your sacrifices, plagiarizing chickenhawk?

[Liam]

All I know is I'm one step up on you by beliving in my country and speaking out in favor of our mission.

I'm sure you believe in a certain kind of America, but your belief is part myth. If you fail to consider that there are things our country can do better, you are hardly patriotic.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Bullshit. Nice try though - trying to include me in your culture of indifference and self-loathing anti-troop crap.

If you weren't indifferent, you would make sacrifices. Cindy Sheehan has made a lot of sacrifices and she's a supposedly indifferent "lefty". What are your sacrifices, plagiarizing chickenhawk?

If you don't belief speaking out for what you believe in matters, then what are you doing on this site?

[Chrissy1979]

I'm saying they aren't a sacrifice. I've sacrificed nothing to be here, as have you. Real support involves sacrifice, not empty platitudes.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Cindy Sheehan has a long history of extremist activism that far pre-dates the tragic loss of her son. Unfortunately she chose to capitalize and use her son's death as an opportunity to continue her ranting.

[JerrySeinfeld]

I'm saying they aren't a sacrifice. I've sacrificed nothing to be here, as have you. Real support involves sacrifice, not empty platitudes.

Why does real support necessarily involve sacrifice? I'm curious.

[Chrissy1979]

Because anything else is meaningless. It certainly isn't courageous, as you've tried to make it out to be. Saying you support people dying for a lie is not supporting them, and unless you're willing to join them, you're just hurting them.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Because anything else is meaningless. It certainly isn't courageous, as you've tried to make it out to be. Saying you support people dying for a lie is not supporting them, and unless you're willing to join them, you're just hurting them.

Soldiers in the battlefield would certainly disagree with yuo that supoprt from back home is meaningless - but I think lefties truly believe this to be the case (that supporty is meaningless) which is, truly, sad for our country and society.

[Black Dog]

If you weren't indifferent, you would make sacrifices. Cindy Sheehan has made a lot of sacrifices and she's a supposedly indifferent "lefty". What are your sacrifices, plagiarizing chickenhawk?

Hey! That's my bit! Quit stealing my bit!

If you don't belief speaking out for what you believe in matters, then what are you doing on this site?

Here it is, folks: the Endgame.

We've stablished that Jerry's courageous contribution consists of little more than "speaking out". In the abscence of any other possibility, we can conclude that the act of speaking out is, in and of itself, an act of courage (according to Jerry). But, if "speaking out" is itself an act of courage, then, by Jerry's reasoning, all those damn dirty leftist pinkos protestin' the war on the streets and internet message boards of our nation are not the cowardly "pantywaists" he (charmingly) says they are. In point of fact, they are as courageous as Jerry for "speaking out". This puts our boy Jerry in a bit of a logical bind where he must either concede that the pinkos are not cowards, or, should he maintain his accusations of cowardice, be damned as a coward himself. The third option would be to acknowledge that "speaking out" isn't really all that courageous an act in a country where free speech is guaranteed and any moron with a modem and a Colecovision can trumpet his opinion from the comfort of his or her own home behind the security of pseudonym. But that would show everyone that Jerry hasn't done anything special at all, which is not what he's been protesting here.

What will happen next? I don't know, but I'll say this: this beats working.

[Leafless]

Can you highlight the relevant quote which led you to your conclusion? Because the word pacifist isn't mentioned at all.

I don't have to highlight any quote as it is thoroughly evident that Bill Moyers entire interview with Chris Hedges indicates Hedges as directly being a peacenik, nothing more than a dreaming pacifist that is right up your ally.

[JerrySeinfeld]

If you weren't indifferent, you would make sacrifices. Cindy Sheehan has made a lot of sacrifices and she's a supposedly indifferent "lefty". What are your sacrifices, plagiarizing chickenhawk?

Hey! That's my bit! Quit stealing my bit!

If you don't belief speaking out for what you believe in matters, then what are you doing on this site?

Here it is, folks: the Endgame.

We've stablished that Jerry's courageous contribution consists of little more than "speaking out". In the abscence of any other possibility, we can conclude that the act of speaking out is, in and of itself, an act of courage (according to Jerry). But, if "speaking out" is itself an act of courage, then, by Jerry's reasoning, all those damn dirty leftist pinkos protestin' the war on the streets and internet message boards of our nation are not the cowardly "pantywaists" he (charmingly) says they are. In point of fact, they are as courageous as Jerry for "speaking out". This puts our boy Jerry in a bit of a logical bind where he must either concede that the pinkos are not cowards, or, should he maintain his accusations of cowardice, be damned as a coward himself. The third option would be to acknowledge that "speaking out" isn't really all that courageous an act in a country where free speech is guaranteed and any moron with a modem and a Colecovision can trumpet his opinion from the comfort of his or her own home behind the security of pseudonym. But that would show everyone that Jerry hasn't done anything special at all, which is not what he's been protesting here.

What will happen next? I don't know, but I'll say this: this beats working.

Man...u dumb ...pantywaiste Islamofascist sympathizer