Troops. On The Streets. In Our Cities. In Canada.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Remember this? hahaa.

I wonder what the Libs will come up with this time.

[M.Dancer]

Remember this? hahaa.

I wonder what the Libs will come up with this time.

I have seen the rough draughts.....

READ JERRYSEINFELDS POSTS

We're not making this up

I predict a Liberal landslide this time

[JerrySeinfeld]

Remember this? hahaa.

I wonder what the Libs will come up with this time.

I have seen the rough draughts.....

READ JERRYSEINFELDS POSTS

We're not making this up

I predict a Liberal landslide this time

Not really even worth the response, but seriously: are you about 11 yeals old?

[Drea]

... jerry... with this thread... what kind of response did you expect?

Whaderyu three?

[JerrySeinfeld]

... jerry... with this thread... what kind of response did you expect?

Whaderyu three?

HEY! It's a thread designed to juxtapose reality with Liberal scaremongering.

You have to admit that the ad now seems quite ridiculous and alot of Torontonians bought into it.

[M.Dancer]

Remember this? hahaa.

I wonder what the Libs will come up with this time.

I have seen the rough draughts.....

READ JERRYSEINFELDS POSTS

We're not making this up

I predict a Liberal landslide this time

Not really even worth the response, but seriously: are you about 11 yeals old?

actually I am well over 11 yeals old

[Shakeyhands]

Odd.

[Who's Doing What?]

Remember this? hahaa.

I wonder what the Libs will come up with this time.

Harper's track record will provide ample ammunition for the Liberals. Over the top scare mongering shouldn't be needed.

[Ricki Bobbi]

Harper's track record will provide ample ammunition for the Liberals. Over the top scare mongering shouldn't be needed.

Really?

What about his track record?

The Liberals get everybody in worse shape financially by Income Trusts, the Conservatives get everybody made better off. Net win for the Conservatives.

The Liberals get everybody who voted Conservative in 2006 who will change their vote because of Kyoto. (Less than 1,000 votes nationwide )

The Conservatives get all the voters who like the fact we cut the GST, passed the accountability act, etc, etc, etc...

[scribblet]

Harper's track record is pretty good actually which is why the liberals have no options but to run on demonzing and scare tactics. While I wasn't happy with the Emerson business, overall (including income trusts) Harper has shown that his decisions have been the best for the country, not for the party. That takes guts and integrity to put your country ahead of the party and possible votes/polls. In fact, he has shown pretty shrewd management by putting the best interests if Canada ahead of narrow party interests.

But I'm sure their campaign strategy will be the same, demonize Harper rather than present a better plan for Canada.

* Flaherty acted to end what sensible people knew was a growing problem.” - Terence Corcoran, Financial Post, November 2nd, 2006

* “The balance between corporate and individual tax burdens will be maintained. Seniors' interests are defended.” - Montreal Gazette Editorial, November 3, 2006

* “CARP is especially pleased that the Minister has balanced his Income Trust initiative with permitting Pension Splitting as of 2007.” - Canadian Association of Retired Persons, November 1, 2006

Canada’s New Government is acting in the country’s long term interests by supporting seniors and promoting tax fairness.

Liberals need to be asked:

* Why are they against lower taxes for low and middle income seniors?

* Why are they against lower taxes for pensioners?

* Why are they against a plan that ensures big corporations pay their fair share of taxes and protects individuals and families from paying more?

The answer is, they are not, most of the disagreement is based strictly on ideological lines, no matter what Harper did, it would be wrong. The Liberals haven't earned their way out of the penalty box yet.

[geoffrey]

The Liberals get everybody in worse shape financially by Income Trusts, the Conservatives get everybody made better off. Net win for the Conservatives.

You spun that so well I'm dizzy. Complete BS. Income trust decision hurt alot of people, and Harper outright lied in his platform. For a man that places such an emphasis on honesty, he sure doesn't show much.

The Liberals get everybody who voted Conservative in 2006 who will change their vote because of Kyoto. (Less than 1,000 votes nationwide )

And those that were hurt by income trusts... maybe 100k nationwide, plus whoever voted for Harper's honest and was lied to, maybe about 100-200k nationwide. And all those that they take with them.

The Conservatives get all the voters who like the fact we cut the GST, passed the accountability act, etc, etc, etc...

Cut any tax and I'm happy. The Liberals cut my taxes too... eventually. The CPC raised taxes and cost me money. It's a pretty cut and dry issue for me. The government has more money now than when the Liberals were in power, there is a MAJOR issue with that and unless Harper takes massive steps to address the fiscal imbalance between the government and it's people, I'm not interested anymore in his empty rhetoric. Who knows if he'll do anything he says anyways, his track record so-so with that...

I voted CPC to prevent the Liberals from stagnating the country further, yet I've seen ZERO progressive economic reform from the CPC. Just more taxes, more complex taxes and easily evaded taxes and more regulation. That's not progress on the economy. That's very interventionist and I simply don't like it.

[scribblet]

Actually I'd be interested in knowing how many individuals the income trust business actually hurt, especially low to middle income seniors. I'm guessing not very many, most including myself had probably never heard of them until a year or so ago and which time some may have rushed out and gambled their money on them. Besides, no one has lost anything unless they actually cashed them in, its all on paper.

There's no magic bullet when investing and no guarrantees, anyone who dumped everything or most in one pot were not informed fully on the issue.

[geoffrey]

Actually I'd be interested in knowing how many individuals the income trust business actually hurt, especially low to middle income seniors. I'm guessing not very many, most including myself had probably never heard of them until a year or so ago and which time some may have rushed out and gambled their money on them. Besides, no one has lost anything unless they actually cashed them in, its all on paper.

There's no magic bullet when investing and no guarrantees, anyone who dumped everything or most in one pot were not informed fully on the issue.

True. When the government says they won't touch something though, and less than 10 months later goes and lays a massive 30+% tax hike on it... it's a big deal.

Doesn't change that the CPC seems insistant upon keeping with our outdated and ineffective corporate tax system. There is already a company in BC that is moving around this decision by issuing combination equity and debt investments, and paying disbursements as interest... meaning a big tax break for the company.

So really, there is a million ways around it. Building an easily evaded tax doesn't increase fairness. Flaherty is a major failure on this issue. Major failure.

[geoffrey]

Actually I'd be interested in knowing how many individuals the income trust business actually hurt, especially low to middle income seniors. I'm guessing not very many, most including myself had probably never heard of them until a year or so ago and which time some may have rushed out and gambled their money on them. Besides, no one has lost anything unless they actually cashed them in, its all on paper.

There's no magic bullet when investing and no guarrantees, anyone who dumped everything or most in one pot were not informed fully on the issue.

True. When the government says they won't touch something though, and less than 10 months later goes and lays a massive 30+% tax hike on it... it's a big deal.

Doesn't change that the CPC seems insistant upon keeping with our outdated and ineffective corporate tax system. There is already a company in BC that is moving around this decision by issuing combination equity and debt investments, and paying disbursements as interest... meaning a big tax break for the company.

So really, there is a million ways around it. Building an easily avoided tax doesn't increase fairness. Flaherty is a major failure on this issue. Major failure.

Flaherty is pretty much trying to plug one whole in the wall while the hordes rush in around him. He's an idiot, this was his chance at very progressive taxation, leading the world, increasing Canada's competitiveness. Instead, he cost alot of people alot of money and essientially did nothing to prevent evasion or avoidance.

[Ricki Bobbi]

You spun that so well I'm dizzy. Complete BS. Income trust decision hurt alot of people, and Harper outright lied in his platform. For a man that places such an emphasis on honesty, he sure doesn't show much.

And those that were hurt by income trusts... maybe 100k nationwide, plus whoever voted for Harper's honest and was lied to, maybe about 100-200k nationwide. And all those that they take with them.

Cut any tax and I'm happy. The Liberals cut my taxes too... eventually. The CPC raised taxes and cost me money. It's a pretty cut and dry issue for me. The government has more money now than when the Liberals were in power, there is a MAJOR issue with that and unless Harper takes massive steps to address the fiscal imbalance between the government and it's people, I'm not interested anymore in his empty rhetoric. Who knows if he'll do anything he says anyways, his track record so-so with that...

I voted CPC to prevent the Liberals from stagnating the country further, yet I've seen ZERO progressive economic reform from the CPC. Just more taxes, more complex taxes and easily evaded taxes and more regulation. That's not progress on the economy. That's very interventionist and I simply don't like it.

Are you sure Harper has more money than he started with? How much did the GST cut cost?

Did you not see the GST cut? You conveniently failed to mention it.

If you honestly think the Conservatives will lose 200K to 300k votes nationwide over income trusts you really don't get it. Just what ridings do those voters come from? Who will they vote for?

Your anger on the issue has gone from justified to histrionic.

[Who's Doing What?]

All I was saying was, Emerson, Income Trust, appointing a non-elected senator ect. should be all the Liberals need to bash with. I don't think they will need to drag up the "scary scary" bs.

Nice over reaction though.

[jdobbin]

All I was saying was, Emerson, Income Trust, appointing a non-elected senator ect. should be all the Liberals need to bash with. I don't think they will need to drag up the "scary scary" bs.

Nice over reaction though.

Looks like Alberta is the only place where the Tories are in the lead as far as polls go.

[jdobbin]

Remember this? hahaa.

I wonder what the Libs will come up with this time.

Tories are down in every province except Alberta. Perhaps the Liberals don't have to say anything at all nor even have a leader.

[geoffrey]

Are you sure Harper has more money than he started with? How much did the GST cut cost?

Don't know. I could care less. He raised a tax. He failed.

Did you not see the GST cut? You conveniently failed to mention it.

Yup, saved me a dime on coffee in the morning, pretty much a buy 10 get one free deal. I appreciated it. Needed to be WAY more, complete elimination would be nice.

If you honestly think the Conservatives will lose 200K to 300k votes nationwide over income trusts you really don't get it. Just what ridings do those voters come from? Who will they vote for?

The 200k of voters that lost money on it? Easy. What ridings? Every riding that has seniors that invested in this.

Your anger on the issue has gone from justified to histrionic.

Not at all. He lied, he raised taxed... he broke two premises of his election. That's nearing the Liberal level of ridiculousness.

[Who's Doing What?]

Yup, saved me a dime on coffee in the morning, pretty much a buy 10 get one free deal. I appreciated it. Needed to be WAY more, complete elimination would be nice.

Holy Starbucks Batman!

You buying $10.00 coffees?

At a $0.01 decrease in GST it should only save you a penny on every dollar. It's more like buy 100 and get one free.

Kinda makes your point even more valid.

I guess the guy spending $400,000 on his Rolls Royce got to save $4,000 so it all works out in the end.

[PolyNewbie]

They are not making it up and you will see it.

[bradco]

Yup, saved me a dime on coffee in the morning, pretty much a buy 10 get one free deal. I appreciated it. Needed to be WAY more, complete elimination would be nice.

Holy Starbucks Batman!

At a $0.01 decrease in GST it should only save you a penny on every dollar. It's more like buy 100 and get one free."

stupid starbucks went and raised the price of coffee anyways!! So I think its the evil corporations taking the GST cut lol....and I think the cups got smaller

[bk59]

You have to admit that the ad now seems quite ridiculous and alot of Torontonians bought into it.

Torontonians didn't buy it any more than anyone else did. That is to say, a very few people believed it, but not nearly a significant number. Just like pretty much anywhere else in the country. People in Toronto had their own, valid, reasons for not voting Conservative.

[Ricki Bobbi]

Torontonians didn't buy it any more than anyone else did. That is to say, a very few people believed it, but not nearly a significant number. Just like pretty much anywhere else in the country. People in Toronto had their own, valid, reasons for not voting Conservative.

Hmmm Torontonians voted more strongly Liberal than pretty much any other part of the country.

The ads re-inforced the *scary* *scary* *scary* Harper message that only the hardline anti-Harperistas bought into.

But you know that the Liberal voters in Toronto didn't buy into this patently false and misleading ad.

[bk59]

Are you sure Harper has more money than he started with? How much did the GST cut cost?

Did you not see the GST cut? You conveniently failed to mention it.

Yes, I am sure that some people like the GST cut. It is simple to understand and makes it look like taxpayers are paying less to the government. Unfortunately the Conservatives at the same time went and raised everyone's income taxes. (By cancelling the tax cut that came into effect for 2005.)

For me, even with all of those nice little tax breaks the Conservatives are throwing around, I will be paying more in taxes now than I did last year. Why? Because even if I was eligible for all of those new tax breaks, which I am not, the difference in my income taxes is more than the combined effect of those tax breaks and GST cuts.

I would much rather have an income tax cut that applies to everyone than tiny cuts here and there that do not apply to everyone.