CP: Klein tells PM Harper to lighten up with media

hiti · November 5, 2006

Interesting the personal attacks to anyone who is not amoured with our present PM.

In saturday's G&M they reported that Harper invited the media to the PMO office for a so-called photo op. TVA's camera operator Marty Mudie dared to asked the PM if he would accept the challenge of 18 year old Dawson College shooting victim Hayder Kadhim to debate the Tory promise to abolish the long-gun registry. Two security guards and one PMO official escorted Mudie out the door cause this was just a photo op and journalists are not allowed to ask questions.

Too hilarious. :lol:

Ricki Bobbi · November 5, 2006

In saturday's G&M they reported that Harper invited the media to the PMO office for a so-called photo op. TVA's camera operator Marty Mudie dared to asked the PM if he would accept the challenge of 18 year old Dawson College shooting victim Hayder Kadhim to debate the Tory promise to abolish the long-gun registry. Two security guards and one PMO official escorted Mudie out the door cause this was just a photo op and journalists are not allowed to ask questions.

When did camermen become 'journalists'?

If Mudie didn't want to respect the rules that was a choice he made...

hiti · November 5, 2006

In saturday's G&M they reported that Harper invited the media to the PMO office for a so-called photo op. TVA's camera operator Marty Mudie dared to asked the PM if he would accept the challenge of 18 year old Dawson College shooting victim Hayder Kadhim to debate the Tory promise to abolish the long-gun registry. Two security guards and one PMO official escorted Mudie out the door cause this was just a photo op and journalists are not allowed to ask questions.

When did camermen become 'journalists'?

If Mudie didn't want to respect the rules that was a choice he made...

Bad ops for the PMO. He is going to need this camera guy in the next election

Ricki Bobbi · November 5, 2006

Bad ops for the PMO. He is going to need this camera guy in the next election

Because?

The "feud" between the PMO and the parliamentary press corps is being driven by a few hardliners in the press corps. They lost the battle when the decision was taken to respect the PMOs wishes for a list of questioners in scrums. This one camerman sounds like on of the hardliners.

this is the first story about the feud in the past few weeks...

Higgly · November 5, 2006

Because?

Because Klein represents Alberta and Income Trusts kept a lot of Alberta Oil and Gas companies alive during the bad times. Klein knows what is what. Harper has been spending too much time in meetings with Finance bureaucrats who don't give a damn about the taxpayer or the investor, as long as they can get on the Island Park bridge before it gets too croweded on a Friday.

Ricki Bobbi · November 5, 2006

Because Klein represents Alberta and Income Trusts kept a lot of Alberta Oil and Gas companies alive during the bad times. Klein knows what is what. Harper has been spending too much time in meetings with Finance bureaucrats who don't give a damn about the taxpayer or the investor, as long as they can get on the Island Park bridge before it gets too croweded on a Friday.

How does any of this have anything to do with the cameran?

Income trusts didn't really come into vogu in the oil patch until 2000/2001. The start of the new 'good times'.

Figleaf · November 5, 2006

Income trusts didn't really come into vogu in the oil patch until 2000/2001.

Ever heard of learning to spell?

Ricki Bobbi · November 5, 2006

Ever heard of learning to spell?

I've got spell-check on Word. Why learn to spell?

That's your second comment on typos. Are you trying to set a record for lame personal attacks?

normanchateau · November 6, 2006

Just out of curiousity, have you ever said anything negative about this government on this forum? I know I haven't read all of your posts, but of the ones that I have read, I haven't seen anything negative.

Yes, not very much but I have. I post quite a bit so it's entirely understandable people could miss the few objections I have presented.

The flag flap was bad optics and not handled well.

The Emerson appointment wasn't an ideal decision.

MacKay should have apologized, but not resigned over the dog comments.

How about the Fortier appointment? Fortier was the manager of Harper's leadership campaign as I recall. And he was rewarded with a Senate appointment AND a cabinet position.

Did Harper need an unelected cabinet minister from Quebec given the number of elected Quebec MPs?

geoffrey · November 6, 2006

How about the Fortier appointment? Fortier was the manager of Harper's leadership campaign as I recall. And he was rewarded with a Senate appointment AND a cabinet position.
Did Harper need an unelected cabinet minister from Quebec given the number of elected Quebec MPs?

A representative from Montreal is nice. I don't really see the Fortier appointment as too big a deal.

Shakeyhands · November 6, 2006

Let me make a prediction, RB. When the next Liberal Prime Minister is elected, you too will start threads attacking him. You might even starts threads attacking him once he's selected leader of the party next month.

Fair enough. But do me the favour of responding to this question.

I debate things here. I will admit mistakes and question Government policy. For example, I said many times during the last Government that PM Dithers was a great Finance Minister who was doing a terrible job as PM.

The attacks of Herper are nothing but attacks. No consideration, no space for consideration of other opinions. Attack, attack, attack.

Have you ever said anything good about the PM or this Government? I know the person who started this thread hasn't...

Now Dithers IS against the rules Ricki, will you apologize and edit your post or will you need to be reported?

Ricki Bobbi · November 6, 2006

Now Dithers IS against the rules Ricki, will you apologize and edit your post or will you need to be reported?

Go ahead...

Shakeyhands · November 6, 2006

I'd much rather you admit you were just trolling for reaction, is there really a need to cry to Greg each and every time? Man up and say you are sorry and edit your post like a big boy.

gerryhatrick · November 6, 2006

Interesting the personal attacks to anyone who is not amoured with our present PM.
In saturday's G&M they reported that Harper invited the media to the PMO office for a so-called photo op. TVA's camera operator Marty Mudie dared to asked the PM if he would accept the challenge of 18 year old Dawson College shooting victim Hayder Kadhim to debate the Tory promise to abolish the long-gun registry. Two security guards and one PMO official escorted Mudie out the door cause this was just a photo op and journalists are not allowed to ask questions.

Too hilarious.

It is kind of funny, but at the same time it's pretty sad that our Government feels so threatened by media questions that security needs to get involved like that.

I'd like to know the answer to that question, as would many Canadians. Thankyou to Marty for asking what's on some people's minds.

hiti · November 6, 2006

Bad ops for the PMO. He is going to need this camera guy in the next election

Because?

The "feud" between the PMO and the parliamentary press corps is being driven by a few hardliners in the press corps. They lost the battle when the decision was taken to respect the PMOs wishes for a list of questioners in scrums. This one camerman sounds like on of the hardliners.

this is the first story about the feud in the past few weeks...

The press corps has not lost the battle. They do not attend scrums by the PMO. They go to others to get what they want to report. There is still an election campaign to be covered with this press corps deciding what they are going to report. Remember the coverage on Stockwell Day? This battle is already lost by the PMO. Harper just thinks he controls everything including the media. He will see what a poisoned pen can do to him. :lol:

normanchateau · November 6, 2006

How about the Fortier appointment? Fortier was the manager of Harper's leadership campaign as I recall. And he was rewarded with a Senate appointment AND a cabinet position.

Did Harper need an unelected cabinet minister from Quebec given the number of elected Quebec MPs?

A representative from Montreal is nice. I don't really see the Fortier appointment as too big a deal.

Why do we need an unelected cabinet minister from Montreal? And if we do, isn't Toronto also worthy of an unelected cabinet minister?

Black Dog · November 6, 2006

Hey CPCers: here's an idea! If y'all object so much to gerry's anti-Harper threads, try not responding to them instead of stalking him or storming every thread he starts. Jesus.

Ricki Bobbi · November 6, 2006

I'd much rather you admit you were just trolling for reaction, is there really a need to cry to Greg each and every time? Man up and say you are sorry and edit your post like a big boy.

Wasn't trolling for a reaction. If you really want to threaten my by doing what you want or you will cry to Greg ... go on and PM him.

Edit my post like a big boy? yeah, anybody here what probably do what you told them when you end your post like that. :rolleyes:

Shakeyhands · November 6, 2006

I'd much rather you admit you were just trolling for reaction, is there really a need to cry to Greg each and every time? Man up and say you are sorry and edit your post like a big boy.

Wasn't trolling for a reaction. If you really want to threaten my by doing what you want or you will cry to Greg ... go on and PM him.

Edit my post like a big boy? yeah, anybody here what probably do what you told them when you end your post like that.

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But.. but... but... you've knowingly broken the rules Ricki, I suppose we won't see any more notes from you complaining about others breaking the rules then, what with you joining the darkside and all. Just as well I suppose.

Ricki Bobbi · November 6, 2006

But.. but... but... you've knowingly broken the rules Ricki, I suppose we won't see any more notes from you complaining about others breaking the rules then, what with you joining the darkside and all. Just as well I suppose.

So that was an empty threat to complain to Greg about my breaking the rules?

Is there a difference between the one term I used that you pounced on and 'others' constant rule-breaking? Definitely.

If you can't see it such is life.

Pretty sad really, that this *outing my rule breaking* is so weak on your part.

Figleaf · November 7, 2006

But do you think posts like this are really beneficial to the forum. There is nothing really here to discuss. It's more of a post to poke at Harper more.

It was a perfectly legit post. He drew it from a major media report noting the opinion of another senior tory figure, then he connected that new information to a pattern of behaviour the PM has exhibited.

Sheeesh, if that post wasn't legit we might as well all just muzzle ourselves.

Figleaf · November 7, 2006

... look at Harper and the Conservatives. ... Are they making irrational decisions on policy?

Often they are. Sinking income trust investors, arming border guards at a cost of a billion dollars to protect us from America, planning an obviously unconstitutional move on SSM, caving on softwood lumber, luring Emerson after criticising Belinda, carrying on in Afghanistan without a plan, agrandizing a senator after crapping on the senate ... not much good there.

And what has he done on the positive side? I can't think of anything-- no, wait... adding to the military budget, increasing Arctic sovereignty patrols, telling Bush where to get off once or twice -- those were alright.

And can you say for a fact that the past Liberal government were of any good?

It's funny that every time Harper is criticised tory supporters ask 'were the Liberals any better', or something like that. It's as if Conservatives have totally internalized the concept of Liberals as the measure of everything. Quite paradoxical, really.

Figleaf · November 7, 2006

Hey CPCers: here's an idea! If y'all object so much to gerry's anti-Harper threads, try not responding to them instead of stalking him or storming every thread he starts. Jesus.

Right on.

Ricki Bobbi · November 7, 2006

Hey CPCers: here's an idea! If y'all object so much to gerry's anti-Harper threads, try not responding to them instead of stalking him or storming every thread he starts. Jesus.

Right on.

Figleaf you are cheering somebody on about not stalking people?

Would you like me to post a link to the seven straight threads you stalked me on in a one hour span yesterday?

BD - the stalking does go both ways. Try not telling people what to do.

Cameron · November 7, 2006

... look at Harper and the Conservatives. ... Are they making irrational decisions on policy?

Often they are. Sinking income trust investors, arming border guards at a cost of a billion dollars to protect us from America, planning an obviously unconstitutional move on SSM, caving on softwood lumber, luring Emerson after criticising Belinda, carrying on in Afghanistan without a plan, agrandizing a senator after crapping on the senate ... not much good there.

And what has he done on the positive side? I can't think of anything-- no, wait... adding to the military budget, increasing Arctic sovereignty patrols, telling Bush where to get off once or twice -- those were alright.

And can you say for a fact that the past Liberal government were of any good?

It's funny that every time Harper is criticised tory supporters ask 'were the Liberals any better', or something like that. It's as Conservatives have totally internalized the concept of Liberals as the measure of everything. Quite paradoxical, really.

And that is your basis for all that is bad about Conservatives. It's weak.

1) Until you show me your qualification on Income Trusts and the recent changes, you nor I have the authority to make a decision on weather it was a bad more or good move.

2) Arming border guards is not something that should be looked at as a waste of money. We have police that are armed, so it should be a reasonable assumption that the people that protect our borders should be armed as well. And I don't know what this "Protect us for America" bit was about, but it sounds typical of the standard liberal generalization about America. Arming border guards is about them being able to protect themselves if they encounter someone who is threatening. Also to add to this point, what good are border guards if they walk away from their posts when they are threatened.

3)The unconstitutional move on SSM started with Paul Martin when he whipped his cabinet to vote on the side of the government. I see NO objection to bringing it back to the house for a vote. I will accept what the outcome is either way.

4) Tell me how they caved in. I will go back to my point about income trusts. Show me you are qualified to make comments on the deal and I will discuss them with you.

5) The floor crossing by Emerson. Yes, a shot in the foot. It wasn't in good taste. But it was different than Belinda's departure.

6) Afghanistan is a NATO run mission. Canada has a limited role in guiding the troops. Should we have a clear plan outlined by OUR government, yes, and I hope that plan come to light in the coming months. But so far I like the way things are progressing in Afghanistan. The mission security that our troops are trying to provide is an important piece to rebuilding Afghanistan.

7) I haven't heard about the Senator issue. If you can provide a link, it would be much appreciated.

1i) And the reason we like to compare, is because the Liberal government was the only government for the past 14 years. They carry a lot of baggage with them.