French Intifada Part II

[scribblet]

Is France still a functioning state, the situation there is worsening, but I havn't seen this reported in our MSM, has anyone else?

http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1587612006

France on new riot alert

SUSAN BELL IN PARIS

ON THE eve of the first anniversary of the worst rioting in France for almost 40 years, the prime minister visited a Paris suburb yesterday, amid widespread fears of renewed violence in the country's deprived housing estates.

Speaking in Cergy-Pontoise, north-west of the capital, Dominique de Villepin refuted accusations that his centre-right government had failed to improve conditions in run-down areas.

He pledged "exemplary" action against the gangs of hooded youths, some brandishing guns, who terrorised residents during attacks on four buses on Wednesday night.

Michèle Alliot-Marie, the defence minister, has accused the youths involved of attempted murder.

In Bagnolet, in eastern Paris, a dozen masked youths, five of them armed, torched a bus after one held a gun to the driver's head. The driver and passengers escaped unharmed.

In Nanterre, west of the capital, hooded youths set a second bus ablaze, leaving ten passengers just enough time to escape.

"Thankfully, there was nobody disabled on board, or it could have ended badly," a police official said.

[B. Max]

It was mentioned on fox last night.

Looks like all of Europe will be toast.

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1609

[Black Dog]

Is France still a functioning state, the situation there is worsening, but I havn't seen this reported in our MSM, has anyone else?

Hmm..let's see if I can follow this logic:

-France is on the verge of collapse due to the ditasstisfaction of its poor, minority population

-The situation is getting worse...

-Buuuut nobody's reporting it.

I wonder: if things were that bad (and indeed, geting worse), surely one would hear more on the subject. Since we're not (other than the current spate of articles on the aniversary of last year's riots) one can make a couple of conclusions:

-The MSM isn't reporting the impending collapse of France (and the rest of Europe) because of political correctness

or

-France's troubles aren't really as bad as the Islamophobes make them out to be.

[scribblet]

Well, if you consider torching buses, rioting and general anarchy not a big problem, then maybe it isn't.

The washington times has picked it up and http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/1...br.france.reut/

didn't read any mention of similar problems in Belgium.

http://www.washtimes.com/world/20061026-102735-5331r.htm

SEVRAN, France -- A year after riots swept across France, vehicles are again burning, clashes between police and mostly ethnic immigrant youths are mounting, and tension in gritty suburbs like Sevran is in the air.

Gangs of youths torched four buses near the Paris suburbs late Wednesday after, in one case, forcing passengers off the vehicle at gunpoint, according to local reports. Youths have also attacked police with tear gas and weapons in recent weeks, sending at least one to the hospital.

[Black Dog]

Well, if you consider torching buses, rioting and general anarchy not a big problem, then maybe it isn't

Um...no. Anarchy and civil unrest is a problem, obviously. But it's a pretty big leap to go from there to the idea that France is on the verge of collapse and an even bigger leap to suggest Europe itself is on the ropes.

(I find right-wingers here to be very strange creatures: on the one hand, they can happily argue that Iraq and Afghanistan are doing just fine, thanks, despite windespread instability and daily desth tolls in the double or triple digits. Yet a few Citroëns get torched in the Paris slums and its the end of freaking civilization as we know it. Weird.)

[scribblet]

Well, if you consider torching buses, rioting and general anarchy not a big problem, then maybe it isn't

Um...no. Anarchy and civil unrest is a problem, obviously. But it's a pretty big leap to go from there to the idea that France is on the verge of collapse and an even bigger leap to suggest Europe itself is on the ropes.

(I find right-wingers here to be very strange creatures: on the one hand, they can happily argue that Iraq and Afghanistan are doing just fine, thanks, despite windespread instability and daily desth tolls in the double or triple digits. Yet a few Citroëns get torched in the Paris slums and its the end of freaking civilization as we know it. Weird.)

Hmmm, I don't think anyone has suggested everything is fine in Iraq, right wing or otherwise, and it is more than a few cars being torched. I don't think France is on the verge of collapse, yet, but they are definitly having a problem getting things under control

http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/200610...03453-5327r.htm

.....These are not empty threats. An average of 14 policemen a day are injured in bloody clashes with jobless youths.

France's Interior Ministry said 2,500 police officers had been "wounded" this year. The head of the hard-line trade union "Action Police" Michel Thooris wrote to Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy to describe conditions in housing developments turned slums as "intifada." Police cruisers are pelted daily with stones and "Molotov cocktails" (gasoline-filled bottles with burning wicks that explode on impact) and Mr. Thooris said cops assigned to what was rapidly degenerating into "free fire zones" should be protected in armored vehicles. Entire tall buildings empty into the streets to chase police and free an arrested comrade.

"We are in a state of civil war, orchestrated by radical Islamists," Mr. Thooris told journalists. Mr. Sarkozy, the leading center-right candidate for next year's presidential election, responded by dispatching cops in body armor, equipped with automatic weapons and rubber bullets, stun and teargas grenades into several Paris suburbs with orders to "restore control" from "organized crime." In one recent clash 250 cops dispersed a 100-strong Muslim gang armed with baseball bats.

You might get a kick out of this one:

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1609

The Rape of Europe

From the desk of Paul Belien on Wed, 2006-10-25 20:57

The German author Henryk M. Broder recently told the Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant (12 October) that young Europeans who love freedom, better emigrate. Europe as we know it will no longer exist 20 years from now. Whilst sitting on a terrace in Berlin, Broder pointed to the other customers and the passers-by and said melancholically: “We are watching the world of yesterday.”

Europe is turning Muslim. As Broder is sixty years old he is not going to emigrate himself. “I am too old,” he said. However, he urged young people to get out and “move to Australia or New Zealand. That is the only option they have if they want to avoid the plagues that will turn the old continent uninhabitable.”

Many Germans and Dutch, apparently, did not wait for Broder’s advice. The number of emigrants leaving the Netherlands and Germany has already surpassed the number of immigrants moving in. One does not have to be prophetic to predict, like Henryk Broder, that Europe is becoming Islamic. Just consider the demographics. The number of Muslims in contemporary Europe is estimated to be 50 million. It is expected to double in twenty years. By 2025, one third of all European children will be born to Muslim families. Today Mohammed is already the most popular name for new-born boys in Brussels, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, and other major European cities.

Broder is convinced that the Europeans are not willing to oppose islamization. “The dominant ethos,” he told De Volkskrant, “is perfectly voiced by the stupid blonde woman author with whom I recently debated. She said that it is sometimes better to let yourself be raped than to risk serious injuries while resisting. She said it is sometimes better to avoid fighting than run the risk of death.”............. is she right?

Are all of these reports baseless, simply 'Islamaphobia' are people just making this up ?

[JerrySeinfeld]

Well, if you consider torching buses, rioting and general anarchy not a big problem, then maybe it isn't

Um...no. Anarchy and civil unrest is a problem, obviously. But it's a pretty big leap to go from there to the idea that France is on the verge of collapse and an even bigger leap to suggest Europe itself is on the ropes.

(I find right-wingers here to be very strange creatures: on the one hand, they can happily argue that Iraq and Afghanistan are doing just fine, thanks, despite windespread instability and daily desth tolls in the double or triple digits. Yet a few Citroëns get torched in the Paris slums and its the end of freaking civilization as we know it. Weird.)

Hmmm, I don't think anyone has suggested everything is fine in Iraq, right wing or otherwise, and it is more than a few cars being torched. I don't think France is on the verge of collapse, yet, but they are definitly having a problem getting things under control

http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/200610...03453-5327r.htm

.....These are not empty threats. An average of 14 policemen a day are injured in bloody clashes with jobless youths.

France's Interior Ministry said 2,500 police officers had been "wounded" this year. The head of the hard-line trade union "Action Police" Michel Thooris wrote to Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy to describe conditions in housing developments turned slums as "intifada." Police cruisers are pelted daily with stones and "Molotov cocktails" (gasoline-filled bottles with burning wicks that explode on impact) and Mr. Thooris said cops assigned to what was rapidly degenerating into "free fire zones" should be protected in armored vehicles. Entire tall buildings empty into the streets to chase police and free an arrested comrade.

"We are in a state of civil war, orchestrated by radical Islamists," Mr. Thooris told journalists. Mr. Sarkozy, the leading center-right candidate for next year's presidential election, responded by dispatching cops in body armor, equipped with automatic weapons and rubber bullets, stun and teargas grenades into several Paris suburbs with orders to "restore control" from "organized crime." In one recent clash 250 cops dispersed a 100-strong Muslim gang armed with baseball bats.

You might get a kick out of this one:

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1609

The Rape of Europe

From the desk of Paul Belien on Wed, 2006-10-25 20:57

The German author Henryk M. Broder recently told the Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant (12 October) that young Europeans who love freedom, better emigrate. Europe as we know it will no longer exist 20 years from now. Whilst sitting on a terrace in Berlin, Broder pointed to the other customers and the passers-by and said melancholically: “We are watching the world of yesterday.”

Europe is turning Muslim. As Broder is sixty years old he is not going to emigrate himself. “I am too old,” he said. However, he urged young people to get out and “move to Australia or New Zealand. That is the only option they have if they want to avoid the plagues that will turn the old continent uninhabitable.”

Many Germans and Dutch, apparently, did not wait for Broder’s advice. The number of emigrants leaving the Netherlands and Germany has already surpassed the number of immigrants moving in. One does not have to be prophetic to predict, like Henryk Broder, that Europe is becoming Islamic. Just consider the demographics. The number of Muslims in contemporary Europe is estimated to be 50 million. It is expected to double in twenty years. By 2025, one third of all European children will be born to Muslim families. Today Mohammed is already the most popular name for new-born boys in Brussels, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, and other major European cities.

Broder is convinced that the Europeans are not willing to oppose islamization. “The dominant ethos,” he told De Volkskrant, “is perfectly voiced by the stupid blonde woman author with whom I recently debated. She said that it is sometimes better to let yourself be raped than to risk serious injuries while resisting. She said it is sometimes better to avoid fighting than run the risk of death.”............. is she right?

Are all of these reports baseless, simply 'Islamaphobia' are people just making this up ?

No - this shit is really happening. Next time you meet someone who is visting from Europe (I see an talk with them all the time - I live in once of Canada's most popular touristy cities), just buy them a beer and ask them a simple question: "So I hear alot about muslims and Europe. What can you tell me about your experience?"

I've had this conversation with a number of European tourists and the one common thread is this: They speak with a lot less "trepidation" about the "problem" than we do here. They talk straight about it because it's a very prevalent issue over there.

[Black Dog]

Hmmm, I don't think anyone has suggested everything is fine in Iraq, right wing or otherwise, and it is more than a few cars being torched. I don't think France is on the verge of collapse, yet, but they are definitly having a problem getting things under control

So there's a problem with poor immigrants in the slums. The leap is when THEY go from "French Muslim youth torching cars" right into "OMIGOD IT TEH JIHAD!!!11!"

Are all of these reports baseless, simply 'Islamaphobia' are people just making this up ?

Again: it's the part where people overlook obvious motives for unrest (ie. poverty, unemployment and social marginalization) and go right for the fantasies of Islamic domination. Which is funny because, I recall the United States having many similar incidents of ethnic violence in the past few decades and few observers have ever sugessted that those incidents were part of some global conspiracy.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Hmmm, I don't think anyone has suggested everything is fine in Iraq, right wing or otherwise, and it is more than a few cars being torched. I don't think France is on the verge of collapse, yet, but they are definitly having a problem getting things under control

So there's a problem with poor immigrants in the slums. The leap is when THEY go from "French Muslim youth torching cars" right into "OMIGOD IT TEH JIHAD!!!11!"

Are all of these reports baseless, simply 'Islamaphobia' are people just making this up ?

Again: it's the part where people overlook obvious motives for unrest (ie. poverty, unemployment and social marginalization) and go right for the fantasies of Islamic domination. Which is funny because, I recall the United States having many similar incidents of ethnic violence in the past few decades and few observers have ever sugessted that those incidents were part of some global conspiracy.

That's because they weren't.

And the old lefty line that the Muslims are "marginalized" or that the line up for the beheaded at the local national hospital was too long is getting...er...long in the tooth.

Get some new rhetoric, boys.

[Black Dog]

That's because they weren't.

And France's Muslims are? So where's the proof?

[JerrySeinfeld]

That's because they weren't.

And France's Muslims are? So where's the proof?

I'll get you my copy of "Jihad 101 here's how we're gonna do it" when I have a free moment.

Until then just watch the nightly riots, beheadings, suicide bombings and unrealistic demands for the removal of freedom of speech by Muslims throughout the world.

Oh - and for you light reading here's Australias leading Muslim leader:

"“Those atheists, people of the book (Christians and Jews), where will they end up? In Surfers Paradise? On the Gold Coast? Where will they end up? In hell and not part-time, for eternity. They are the worst in God’s creation.”

[Black Dog]

I'll get you my copy of "Jihad 101 here's how we're gonna do it" when I have a free moment.

Until then just watch the nightly riots, beheadings, suicide bombings and unrealistic demands for the removal of freedom of speech by Muslims throughout the world.

It's okay: I didn't actually expect you to back up your bullshit. Glad to see you didn't let me down.

[JerrySeinfeld]

I'll get you my copy of "Jihad 101 here's how we're gonna do it" when I have a free moment.

Until then just watch the nightly riots, beheadings, suicide bombings and unrealistic demands for the removal of freedom of speech by Muslims throughout the world.

It's okay: I didn't actually expect you to back up your bullshit. Glad to see you didn't let me down.

Keep ignorin' your lying eyes kiddo.

Only a true DOGGY would use the civil rights movement to somehow justify Jihad

[betsy]

I notice that a lot of times, the conservatives provide at least something....a link or anything other than personal opinions...to substantiate or stress or prove a point. Yet, if you go through all the hot issues all over this forum, you'd hardly see anything backing up the statements of a lot of lefties.

They make big claims with nothing to back it up....even when being pressed to produce something to substantiate it.....and they expect you to take their words as fact.

To some of them, anecdotal evidence is enough. "My pizza guy is great. He makes the best vegetarian pizza in town. His shop is so busy. Just try to make an order on a Friday night. Therefore...he and all pizza guys, has no time for jihad."

"Unless if jihad is another new type of pizza. or donair."

[jbg]

That's because they weren't.

And France's Muslims are? So where's the proof?

As a great leader of a great democracy recently said, "a proof is a proof is a proof is a proof".

A country that is helpless, either because of political correctness or lack of necessary police or army resources, to stop the carbeque and insist on lawful behavior is in damnable trouble.

It is crystal clear to all objective viewers that these people are not willing or able to assimilate into European society. Essentially, the barbarians are inside the gate.

[Black Dog]

I notice that a lot of times, the conservatives provide at least something....a link or anything other than personal opinions...to substantiate or stress or prove a point. Yet, if you go through all the hot issues all over this forum, you'd hardly see anything backing up the statements of a lot of lefties.

They make big claims with nothing to back it up....even when being pressed to produce something to substantiate it.....and they expect you to take their words as fact.

Got any proof of that?

As a great leader of a great democracy recently said, "a proof is a proof is a proof is a proof".

So you quoting a f**king moron supports your contention that there is a pan-European Muslim conspiracy...how?

A country that is helpless, either because of political correctness or lack of necessary police or army resources, to stop the carbeque and insist on lawful behavior is in damnable trouble.

Well, I guess the same goes for Toronto, New York, L.A...but then, I suppose you're fine with pervasive gang violence, drug dealing and other criminal activities that occur in environements similar to those of the Paris slums. But cars on fire: that's serious.

It is crystal clear to all objective viewers that these people are not willing or able to assimilate into European society

The irony of a Jew using this type of language is almost too much to contemplate. Indeed, the current swamp of anti-Muslim paranoia echoes the antisemetism of yesteryear: the "Othering", the conspiracy theories...I suppose you'll be talking about Islamic blood sacrifices next.