Ignatieff proposes to recognize Quebec as a nation

[M.Dancer]

A short incomplete list in no particular order

reviellons....boite a chansons.....festive des homards.....carnaval, sugering offs, feveres au lard....tortiere.....the most succesful film, television and literature industries in Canada, distinctive archeteture of la beause, gaspe, montreal.....cirque de soliel, celtic music........bagels, smoked meat, may wests, POM bakeries....kik cola, beire des pins, pea soup, St patricks day, social tollerance and equality, brutal winters, civil code, maiden names, revenche de creche.....Les Patriotes de ste Agathe.....

Well, I'm not sure of the translation of everyything, but nothing really sounds unique except petty stuff. Montreal is neither a "distinct custom" nor a "cultural tradition" btw, nor is gaspe, nor sports teams, nor bagels or smoked meat or POM bakeries or kik cola or almost everything else you've put down. Celtic music is a Quebecois tradition? Who knew? Brutal winters!? Ever been to Winnipeg? I eat tortiere every week, and I certainly celebrate St. Patrick's day.

Maybe you'd care to try again.

I would but it would probably be over your head.....St Patrick's Day....Montreal has one of the oldest outside of Ireland....Celtic music? Why certainly. most original Quebecers were from Brittany, ergo, they are as celtic as the scots and shared the same musical traditions...when the two met, they traded songs......you eat tortiere? good for you...it's a quebec export. No montreal isn't a cultural tradition...its archetiturtture is...as is the archeture of the gaspe.......500 years of brutual winters has shaped quebec culture...as have the 150 years of manitoba's....but differently, distictively, despite its french roots.

I suppose glossing over the civil code was merely an oversight, but law is as much a culture touchstone as the magna carta is for the anglophone world.........

[Biblio Bibuli]

A short incomplete list in no particular order

reviellons....boite a chansons.....festive des homards.....carnaval, sugering offs, feveres au lard....tortiere.....the most succesful film, television and literature industries in Canada, distinctive archeteture of la beause, gaspe, montreal.....cirque de soliel, celtic music........bagels, smoked meat, may wests, POM bakeries....kik cola, beire des pins, pea soup, St patricks day, social tollerance and equality, brutal winters, civil code, maiden names, revenche de creche.....Les Patriotes de ste Agathe.....

I don't think that Mae Wests or any of the other foods make for any more a distinct culture than Nanaimo bars & samosas in BC or cod cheeks in Newfoundland could give them a claim to needing their own nation.

Everyone in Canada has bagels, smoked meat, social tolerance & equality now. Many places have a St Patrick's Day parade & brutal winters.

Revenche de creche? They're reproducing at a lower rate than the rest of Canada. I think the Muslim community has that one in their corner now.

Celtic music?? Wouldn't the Rock really be the ultimate place for that? Hell ... I think they just call it "music" there.

If Montreal's architecture is distinctive, then so is Vancouver's. Distinctive from what? Most cities look different from each other & Montreal looks more like Toronto & Quebec City than Vancouver does.

I'll give you sugaring off & the civil code. Although they sugar off in Vermont ... so I guess Vermont will have to be part of the new Nation of Quebec since they share this stunning cultural sameness?

[M.Dancer]

A short incomplete list in no particular order

reviellons....boite a chansons.....festive des homards.....carnaval, sugering offs, feveres au lard....tortiere.....the most succesful film, television and literature industries in Canada, distinctive archeteture of la beause, gaspe, montreal.....cirque de soliel, celtic music........bagels, smoked meat, may wests, POM bakeries....kik cola, beire des pins, pea soup, St patricks day, social tollerance and equality, brutal winters, civil code, maiden names, revenche de creche.....Les Patriotes de ste Agathe.....

I don't think that Mae Wests or any of the other foods make for any more a distinct culture than Nanaimo bars & samosas in BC or cod cheeks in Newfoundland could give them a claim to needing their own nation.

Everyone in Canada has bagels, smoked meat, social tolerance & equality now. Many places have a St Patrick's Day parade & brutal winters.

Revenche de creche? They're reproducing at a lower rate than the rest of Canada. I think the Muslim community has that one in their corner now.

Celtic music?? Wouldn't the Rock really be the ultimate place for that? Hell ... I think they just call it "music" there.

If Montreal's architecture is distinctive, then so is Vancouver's. Distinctive from what? Most cities look different from each other & Montreal looks more like Toronto & Quebec City than Vancouver does.

I'll give you sugaring off & the civil code. Although they sugar off in Vermont ... so I guess Vermont will have to be part of the new Nation of Quebec since they share this stunning cultural sameness?

I didn't realise the list needed to be oh so exclusive to the point where cod cheeks must be mentioned....maybe thats why some are so sensitive about it to the point of having an inferiority complex....because quebec has culture that is unique to Quebec...(and quebec's style of celtic music is unique to quebewc) doesn't mean that Vancouver's culture is not important.

[Black Dog]

Please provide a short list of Quebec's distinct customs and cultural traditions.

Right after somone provides a short list of distinct Alberta customs and traditions. Or indeed, distinct Canadian customs or traditions. Or American...

[jefferiah]

Please provide a short list of Quebec's distinct customs and cultural traditions.

Right after somone provides a short list of distinct Alberta customs and traditions. Or indeed, distinct Canadian customs or traditions. Or American...

The rest of Canada isnt demanding to be viewed as special.

[Argus]

Please provide a short list of Quebec's distinct customs and cultural traditions.

Right after somone provides a short list of distinct Alberta customs and traditions. Or indeed, distinct Canadian customs or traditions. Or American...

Are those relevent to anything currently under discussion? Quebec needs to be recognized as a distinct nation and has many distinct customs and traditions. That was the statement. Apparently no one can back that up, though.

[M.Dancer]

Apparently no one can back that up, though.

Apparently your reading is selective and distinct

[Argus]

Apparently no one can back that up, though.

Apparently your reading is selective and distinct

I asked for a list, you gave me bagels. Do you not even know what culture and traditions are? Then you bitch about it and say "I didn't realise the list needed to be oh so exclusive". Well duh! Yeah, it does! Don't try and tell me that Quebec is a distinct nation because they eat bagels. Give me a break here! You got nothing.

Quebec is a distinct "nation" because it goes to McDonalds and orders La Big Mac in French?

[M.Dancer]

Apparently no one can back that up, though.

Apparently your reading is selective and distinct

I asked for a list, you gave me bagels. Do you not even know what culture and traditions are? Then you bitch about it and say "I didn't realise the list needed to be oh so exclusive". Well duh! Yeah, it does! Don't try and tell me that Quebec is a distinct nation because they eat bagels. Give me a break here! You got nothing.

Quebec is a distinct "nation" because it goes to McDonalds and orders La Big Mac in French?

So the celtic music of quebec isn't distinct? Civil Code isn't distinct? The language isn't distinct?

Thank you please.....if I need instructions on what is and isn't culture, I will not be asking the likes of you.

[Black Dog]

Are those relevent to anything currently under discussion? Quebec needs to be recognized as a distinct nation and has many distinct customs and traditions. That was the statement. Apparently no one can back that up, though.

It's relevant in that you asked and a small list was provided, which you poo-poo'd. So Bonne Homme Carnivale, St. Jean Baptiste Day, the Quebecois language, the Civil Code etc. aren't enough for you. Fine. I'm just wondering what, exactly, constitutes a nation for you.

[M.Dancer]

Are those relevent to anything currently under discussion? Quebec needs to be recognized as a distinct nation and has many distinct customs and traditions. That was the statement. Apparently no one can back that up, though.

It's relevant in that you asked and a small list was provided, which you poo-poo'd. So Bonne Homme Carnivale, St. Jean Baptiste Day, the Quebecois language, the Civil Code etc. aren't enough for you. Fine. I'm just wondering what, exactly, constitutes a nation for you.

STAMPEDE!

[fellowtraveller]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/National/home

After reading the above article, does anybody here still have ANY doubts as to who our next Liberal leader will be?

I bet you don't.

I've been saying for a year now that Iggy's got it in the bag ,,,,, don't you think that congratulations are in order?

You'll have to do it sooner or later ,,,,, so why not now?

After reading the article, it strikes that Ignattieff is increasingly desperate because he knows that the top dogs in the Party do not support his candidacy.

[Argus]

Are those relevent to anything currently under discussion? Quebec needs to be recognized as a distinct nation and has many distinct customs and traditions. That was the statement. Apparently no one can back that up, though.

It's relevant in that you asked and a small list was provided, which you poo-poo'd. So Bonne Homme Carnivale, St. Jean Baptiste Day, the Quebecois language, the Civil Code etc. aren't enough for you. Fine. I'm just wondering what, exactly, constitutes a nation for you.

SJB and Carnivale are simply variations of things held in other cities, ie Winterlude in Ottawa, Carribana in Toronto. All you got is language and the Civil Code.

[Biblio Bibuli]

So the celtic music of quebec isn't distinct?

If you say it is I'll take your word for it.

Quite a while back a friend of mine took up morris dancing. In Montreal. He hasn't stopped dancing ever since. My question is, are Quebec's morris dancers also distinct from the regular ones?

[Argus]

Apparently no one can back that up, though.

Apparently your reading is selective and distinct

I asked for a list, you gave me bagels. Do you not even know what culture and traditions are? Then you bitch about it and say "I didn't realise the list needed to be oh so exclusive". Well duh! Yeah, it does! Don't try and tell me that Quebec is a distinct nation because they eat bagels. Give me a break here! You got nothing.

Quebec is a distinct "nation" because it goes to McDonalds and orders La Big Mac in French?

So the celtic music of quebec isn't distinct? Civil Code isn't distinct? The language isn't distinct?

Thank you please.....if I need instructions on what is and isn't culture, I will not be asking the likes of you.

Now you're just sulking. Celtic music is played everywhere. And the Civil Code and its language are merely variations of France's law and language. So big deal.

It's not my fault you have no clue what a tradition is. I didn't destroy the education system.

[Black Dog]

SJB and Carnivale are simply variations of things held in other cities, ie Winterlude in Ottawa, Carribana in Toronto. All you got is language and the Civil Code.

Well, I guess one could arrive at such a conclusion if one only looks at the superficial similarities and disregards the other implications. Which is like saying "Argus is simply a variation of Adolph Hitler." because both are members of the same species. But hey, even with language and laws, that's a pretty strong case for nationhood.

[Leafless]

SJB and Carnivale are simply variations of things held in other cities, ie Winterlude in Ottawa, Carribana in Toronto. All you got is language and the Civil Code.

Well, I guess one could arrive at such a conclusion if one only looks at the superficial similarities and disregards the other implications. Which is like saying "Argus is simply a variation of Adolph Hitler." because both are members of the same species. But hey, even with language and laws, that's a pretty strong case for nationhood.

Without many various forms of federal handouts including equality and transfer payments Quebec would not it's present form.

SOME NATION!

[watching&waiting]

Of the list that was given I really had to smile att ehBagels and smoked meat as being Quebecer. Yes many of the others are just simple celebrations of events that many english cites have. The St John Batist day though is as close to being Quebec, as I can see so far. Maple surup farms are all over.

[seabee]

How does English Canada differ from the U.S.?

Both speak the same language, watch the same TV shows, movies, read the same magazines. There is no noticeable difference in their musics. Their respective government systems are quite parallel, except that Canada is stil stuck with medieval relics like monarchy and still needs to evolve to catch up with the U.S.; its differences in their laws and legal systems are a matter of details. Theirs foods and cuisine are similar. Their histories are so entertwined that any difference is either a matter of perspective, or very regional.

Yet Canada claims its own sovereignty and independance from the U.S.!

Don't you think Québec is far more different from the Rest of Canada than the latter is from the U.S.?

[Hydraboss]

Okay, what about Newfoundland? If Kwebek is a nation, then so is Newfoundland. Should they have special status as a nation?

God knows the language may or may not be english.

[Leafless]

Yet Canada claims its own sovereignty and independance from the U.S.!

Don't you think Québec is far more different from the Rest of Canada than the latter is from the U.S.?

You don't see Canada in a very bright light, despite years of unnecessary political pandering to Quebec.

Our Prime Minister has more sovereign power than the president of the U.S.

Britain gave us our independence, not the U.S.

[Topaz]

I'm not sure this is a Liberal idea or more Ignatieff idea! I've read on the net, the US plan to take over Canada sometime in the future and what better way to do it then bust up the country starting with Quebec!! First start with Quebec, then go after the west, especially Alberta who has talked about separation in the past. I don't like this guy and I hope he's NOT elected as leader because he is NOT a LIBERAL, more a troublemaker!!

[jefferiah]

If Ignatieff is elected leader I motion that all liberals vote for Harper next time. Other than that pray for Mr Rae.

[Canadian Blue]

I've heard of the "US Takeover" theory before. It goes along the lines of the US making Atlantic Canada into new states, Western Canada becoming its own country, and Ontario being the only remainder of Canada. But I have a huge doubt it'll ever happen, and I doubt Ignatieff is here to commit espionage.

[M.Dancer]

SJB and Carnivale are simply variations of things held in other cities, ie Winterlude in Ottawa, Carribana in Toronto. All you got is language and the Civil Code.

Well, I guess one could arrive at such a conclusion if one only looks at the superficial similarities and disregards the other implications. Which is like saying "Argus is simply a variation of Adolph Hitler." because both are members of the same species. But hey, even with language and laws, that's a pretty strong case for nationhood.

Not sure how long winterlude been around but the official carnaval has been sincen 1954 but unofficially it has it's roots in the Company of good cheer which dates itself to the 17th century.

10 internet (or kimmy) points to anyone who knows the nane and recipe for the unofficial beverage of Carnaval......