Ignatieff proposes to recognize Quebec as a nation

Leafless · October 23, 2006

"Michael Ignatieff and his organization imprinted themselves on the provincial wing by persuading its members to back his notion to recognize Quebec as a nation."

Here is a politician who has been out of Canada 20 yrs. or so and now is prepared tying the Liberal political strangulation knot around Canada's 'dysfunctional political system' even tighter.

Why are the Liberals bent on destroying Canada and I truly wonder if Mr. Ignatieff can honestly refer to himself as a Canadian in more ways than one?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/National/home

B. Max · October 23, 2006

That won't sit well in the west and especially in Alberta. It's about the most ridiculous thing I've heard of. No doubt Quebec will still expect to bleed the rest of the country for billions. It should be coming completely clear to all Albertans and I think it is, that symbolically keeping the country together at all costs is simply not worth it. More than ever Alberta needs a strong leader like Ted Morton not another Ottawa song and dance man.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national...1f4&rfp=dta

M.Dancer · October 23, 2006

As mush as I couldn't give hoot for igny....his use of the word "nation" is precise and should not be confused with sovereignty or some quasi-state recognition.

In this sense nation is more akin to tribe or *ahem* clan.........

......either way though the guy is aloon and should go back home to america ..........

blueblood · October 23, 2006

and people get mad at peter mackay for shooting himself in the foot...

Leafless · October 23, 2006

As mush as I couldn't give hoot for igny....his use of the word "nation" is precise and should not be confused with sovereignty or some quasi-state recognition.
In this sense nation is more akin to tribe or *ahem* clan.........

......either way though the guy is aloon and should go back home to america ..........

The word 'nation' is not precise standing alone as the definition of nation is important pertaining to the definition of the word 'country'.

Country: 1 a:" The territory of a nation with it's own government" as quoted from the 'Concise Oxford dictionary'.

And since Quebec considers it's provincial government in the same light as Canada's federal government, Quebec will be seen by Quebecers no doubt, as their country as many apparently already do regardless without the official title of a nation.

geoffrey · October 23, 2006

I want my own nation. If the Quebecois and Indians get them, why can't I?

watching&waiting · October 23, 2006

This was the Liberals great hope. It would seem that Iggy would pander to the Quebec separtists to gain favour in that province. If that is his plan then I can say that the Liberals are in big trouble, but they are in big trouble anyways.

B. Max · October 23, 2006

I want my own nation. If the Quebecois and Indians get them, why can't I?

Sit down and be quiet. Your only role in all of this is to foot the bill for all of it. :lol:

Black Dog · October 23, 2006

I want my own nation. If the Quebecois and Indians get them, why can't I?

Sure: why don't you come up with your own distinct language, customs, cultural traditions, etc.

blueblood · October 23, 2006

I want my own nation. If the Quebecois and Indians get them, why can't I?

Sure: why don't you come up with your own distinct language, customs, cultural traditions, etc.

yah and everyone is equal just some people are more equal than others

B. Max · October 23, 2006

I want my own nation. If the Quebecois and Indians get them, why can't I?

Sure: why don't you come up with your own distinct language, customs, cultural traditions, etc.

Actually we did, and they defeated the french. The entire Quebec problem from the beginning has been an attempt to gain through the ballot box what they were unable to achieve on the battle field.

Black Dog · October 23, 2006

Actually we did, and they defeated the french. The entire Quebec problem from the beginning has been an attempt to gain through the ballot box what they were unable to achieve on the battle field.

I'm a western Canadian Anglophone. yet I have no connection at all with the nation you're referring to.

B. Max · October 23, 2006

Actually we did, and they defeated the french. The entire Quebec problem from the beginning has been an attempt to gain through the ballot box what they were unable to achieve on the battle field.

I'm a western Canadian Anglophone. yet I have no connection at all with the nation you're referring to.

So what.

Black Dog · October 23, 2006

So what.

You're implying all non-Quebec, non-Aboriginal Canadians belong to the United Empire Loyalists/British nation, which is dead wrong.

B. Max · October 24, 2006

So what.

You're implying all non-Quebec, non-Aboriginal Canadians belong to the United Empire Loyalists/British nation, which is dead wrong.

Nope, never implied that. I implied the English defeated the french as a response to this...

: Sure: why don't you come up with your own distinct language, customs, cultural traditions, etc.

Sure: why don't you come up with your own distinct language, customs, cultural traditions, etc.

watching&waiting · October 24, 2006

Personally I am more then tired of seeing Quebec dominate government. I would rather see them go and seperate and then Canada can and will become unligual english, and we will divide up Quebec to what it came to Canada with, and then grant the nortern cree their own province. What would be left of Quebec would be very much a hard place to live as no more cheap hydro and that would mine no more Alcan plants staying there. If they wanted any trade with the rest of Canada would be in English only labelling. I could go on and on. I never would have been on this other then Iggy bringing up the recognizing it as a country. I will admit that I am not myself right now and I am probably being harder on this issue then I would normally be. But I am also just soooo tired of all the quebec crap, that I would just like it to go away.

Biblio Bibuli · October 24, 2006

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/National/home

After reading the above article, does anybody here still have ANY doubts as to who our next Liberal leader will be?

I bet you don't.

I've been saying for a year now that Iggy's got it in the bag ,,,,, don't you think that congratulations are in order?

You'll have to do it sooner or later ,,,,, so why not now?

Canadian Blue · October 24, 2006

Didn't a newspaper article say that Truman was voted out of office back in the 40's.

Wait till election day my friend.

jefferiah · October 24, 2006

No will Quebec will demand the Cree land be part of their province but that Canada still put up the cash to care for the natives. Ignatieff is uglier than George Bush.

jefferiah · October 24, 2006

I mean I know you cant judge a book by its cover and all that, but look at that guy. His whole demeanor says "hello i am a big prick".

Argus · October 24, 2006

I want my own nation. If the Quebecois and Indians get them, why can't I?

Sure: why don't you come up with your own distinct language, customs, cultural traditions, etc.

Please provide a short list of Quebec's distinct customs and cultural traditions.

Argus · October 24, 2006

I mean I know you cant judge a book by its cover and all that, but look at that guy. His whole demeanor says "hello i am a big prick".

Uhm, no. It says I'm desperate and willing to pander to anyone for votes.

Which, when you think about it, should make him the perfect Liberal leader.

Leafless · October 24, 2006

I want my own nation. If the Quebecois and Indians get them, why can't I?

Sure: why don't you come up with your own distinct language, customs, cultural traditions, etc.

Please provide a short list of Quebec's distinct customs and cultural traditions.

The only one I can think of is that poutine thing.

M.Dancer · October 24, 2006

I want my own nation. If the Quebecois and Indians get them, why can't I?

Sure: why don't you come up with your own distinct language, customs, cultural traditions, etc.

Please provide a short list of Quebec's distinct customs and cultural traditions.

A short incomplete list in no particular order

reviellons....boite a chansons.....festive des homards.....carnaval, sugering offs, feveres au lard....tortiere.....the most succesful film, television and literature industries in Canada, distinctive archeteture of la beause, gaspe, montreal.....cirque de soliel, celtic music........bagels, smoked meat, may wests, POM bakeries....kik cola, beire des pins, pea soup, St patricks day, social tollerance and equality, brutal winters, civil code, maiden names, revenche de creche.....Les Patriotes de ste Agathe.....

Argus · October 24, 2006

I want my own nation. If the Quebecois and Indians get them, why can't I?

Sure: why don't you come up with your own distinct language, customs, cultural traditions, etc.

Please provide a short list of Quebec's distinct customs and cultural traditions.

A short incomplete list in no particular order

reviellons....boite a chansons.....festive des homards.....carnaval, sugering offs, feveres au lard....tortiere.....the most succesful film, television and literature industries in Canada, distinctive archeteture of la beause, gaspe, montreal.....cirque de soliel, celtic music........bagels, smoked meat, may wests, POM bakeries....kik cola, beire des pins, pea soup, St patricks day, social tollerance and equality, brutal winters, civil code, maiden names, revenche de creche.....Les Patriotes de ste Agathe.....

Well, I'm not sure of the translation of everyything, but nothing really sounds unique except petty stuff. Montreal is neither a "distinct custom" nor a "cultural tradition" btw, nor is gaspe, nor sports teams, nor bagels or smoked meat or POM bakeries or kik cola or almost everything else you've put down. Celtic music is a Quebecois tradition? Who knew? Brutal winters!? Ever been to Winnipeg? I eat tortiere every week, and I certainly celebrate St. Patrick's day.

Maybe you'd care to try again.