Bob Rae and Fraud in BC!

[betsy]

Just heard it on CTV Newsnet.

Ignatieff, Kennedy and Dion had filed a complaint against Bob Rae, regarding his delegates in BC.

Apparently there was fraud involved in getting those delegates.

Looks like the gloves are off.

[sharkman]

Just heard it on CTV Newsnet.

Ignatieff, Kennedy and Dion had filed a complaint against Bob Rae, regarding his delegates in BC.

Apparently there was fraud involved in getting those delegates.

Looks like the gloves are off.

This could get ugly. Just what they need in the Liberal camp. Obviously this has come about because Bob had become a front runner.

[betsy]

Just heard it on CTV Newsnet.

Ignatieff, Kennedy and Dion had filed a complaint against Bob Rae, regarding his delegates in BC.

Apparently there was fraud involved in getting those delegates.

Looks like the gloves are off.

This could get ugly. Just what they need in the Liberal camp. Obviously this has come about because Bob had become a front runner.

What is it about fraud and the Liberals?

They seem to be stuck together like siamese twins....one can't live without the other!

[gerryhatrick]

What is it about fraud and the Liberals?

They seem to be stuck together like siamese twins....one can't live without the other!

Who knows? What is it with Conservatives and sexual predation?

They're all doing it, and the Pope wants to keep it a secret.

[Guest Warwick Green]

Just heard it on CTV Newsnet.

Ignatieff, Kennedy and Dion had filed a complaint against Bob Rae, regarding his delegates in BC.

Apparently there was fraud involved in getting those delegates.

Looks like the gloves are off.

Liberals breaking the rules? What next? A revelation that the sun rises in the East?

[Ricki Bobbi]

What is it about fraud and the Liberals?

They seem to be stuck together like siamese twins....one can't live without the other!

Great news for the Conservatives for two reasons.

1. More of the same old same old from the LIberals shows their unfitness to govern.

2. Rae is still the most formidable potential Liberal leader.

[watching&waiting]

What is it about fraud and the Liberals?

They seem to be stuck together like siamese twins....one can't live without the other!

Who knows? What is it with Conservatives and sexual predation?

They're all doing it, and the Pope wants to keep it a secret.

Ypou are if nothing else consistant. You seem to be easily brought to claims of sex abuse. Do you have something you would like to share with us? It seems you must hav e had some bad experience as a child or something. Maybe under the new CPC government, they will ledgislate new laws where you will finally feel safe, or is that what you are afraid of.

Maybe if you explain what you mean by your statement, and then we can debate that and maybe it will quell your issues. Also you have issues with the Pope as well? Now that may take devine intervention, but explaining what you mean exactly may help there as well. That way we all can get in on what you mean in the posts you made.

[Ricki Bobbi]

Ypou are if nothing else consistant. You seem to be easily brought to claims of sex abuse. Do you have something you would like to share with us? It seems you must hav e had some bad experience as a child or something. Maybe under the new CPC government, they will ledgislate new laws where you will finally feel safe, or is that what you are afraid of.

Maybe if you explain what you mean by your statement, and then we can debate that and maybe it will quell your issues. Also you have issues with the Pope as well? Now that may take devine intervention, but explaining what you mean exactly may help there as well. That way we all can get in on what you mean in the posts you made.

w&w don't feed the troll. Grehatrick's only purpose here is to bait Conservatives. He has the tacit approval of the moderator to do so. His untold number of broken rules in the face of other posters being banned for lesser offences is proof of that. I'm not sure what the relationship is, but it is inappropriate.

To get back on topic. It's in the best interest of the Conservative party of Canada to have Rae lose the leadership.

[watching&waiting]

I do not think the CPC could care less if Rae of Iggy get the nod from the Liberals. Each have their won crosses to bear, but neither of them would be formidible as a party leader. Rae has the stench of being a party turncoat, as far as the NDP would see it and Iggy would be so far right as a liberal that he would be seen almost conservative, and that may be what would be the threat. The liberal can not field the status quo, as that would not be acceptable by the public at large. They must be seen as a new cleaner and better Liberal party to make any gains at all. To be exact this leadership convention will have dropped large numbers of voters from the Liberal seats. It seems that the liberals only have to be left to their own devices and they will eat each other until there is nothing left. It will not matter who becomes leader in December, as they all will be fractured into their little camps, and revenge will rule the party for at least the next 5-10 years. What ever the leader chosen this Dec, they will not be the leader come 2010.

You only have to look at the people who are staying away from this leadership vote, to see that all the power players know and have accepted that the party is doomed. That is why the second or to some may say third string cadidates, are the only ones running.

The fact that Rae has been seen to be tied to vote fraud in BC will again make the Liberals look bad to the voters. You did not see this happen from the CPC but from within the Liberal parties own people. You will see even more of this type of thing over the next month or so. If there ever was a poll I would like to see, it would be one where they ask people if they believe that the liberal have changed for the better with this leadership convention. Anyone who reads papers or listens to the news, will tell you that if anything it has shown the party is mired far dirtier then most would have said. That is not the kind of thing a party leadership convention is supposed to do now is it. To tell you the truth, I do not think Rae will be leader but as I said if he was the CPC would not be all that worried, as Rae will especially make the area arounf Toronto become up for grabs and that is where the CPC need to make in roads. Rae in Quebec would be seen far less then iggy as voters there would be in play. If the CPC can win over seats in these two ares they will have a comfortable majority.

Iggy may well do ok in Quebec, But in the Toronto area he will lose some but not any where near what Rae will have. But the rest of Canada will not accept him. IMOV I would rather Rae to get the leadership, but I just do not see that happening. The liberal are hoping that the NDP voters would come enmass to the liberals if Rae is the leader, and while it is a thought, it does not send any chills down my spine.

[Ricki Bobbi]

Iggy may well do ok in Quebec, But in the Toronto area he will lose some but not any where near what Rae will have. But the rest of Canada will not accept him. IMOV I would rather Rae to get the leadership, but I just do not see that happening. The liberal are hoping that the NDP voters would come enmass to the liberals if Rae is the leader, and while it is a thought, it does not send any chills down my spine.

I honestly think that Rae is going to be far tougher to beat than Iggy. Here are my reasons.

1. Iggy will make lots of rookie mistakes (ex. Qana - war crimes). Rae won't make those mistakes.

2. Rae's French is better.

3. The only real strike against him is Ontario. I hate to say it but I think alot of people will give him a pass.

4. Rae puts Afghanistan into play. With Iggy as leader it won't be an issue.

[Shakeyhands]

Ypou are if nothing else consistant. You seem to be easily brought to claims of sex abuse. Do you have something you would like to share with us? It seems you must hav e had some bad experience as a child or something. Maybe under the new CPC government, they will ledgislate new laws where you will finally feel safe, or is that what you are afraid of.

Maybe if you explain what you mean by your statement, and then we can debate that and maybe it will quell your issues. Also you have issues with the Pope as well? Now that may take devine intervention, but explaining what you mean exactly may help there as well. That way we all can get in on what you mean in the posts you made.

w&w don't feed the troll. Grehatrick's only purpose here is to bait Conservatives. He has the tacit approval of the moderator to do so. His untold number of broken rules in the face of other posters being banned for lesser offences is proof of that. I'm not sure what the relationship is, but it is inappropriate.

To get back on topic. It's in the best interest of the Conservative party of Canada to have Rae lose the leadership.

the two of you guys are looking pretty goofy running around after Gerry in every thread or reply he creates.. I'm sure if Gerry is breaking any of the rules Greg will let him know about it. Now, as my dad would say.. "gie' a rest" and perhaps try the ignore feature. Foolish is as foolish does now... Y'all hear?

[Ricki Bobbi]

the two of you guys are looking pretty goofy running around after Gerry in every thread or reply he creates.. as my dad would say.. "gie' a rest" and perhaps try the ignore feature. Foolish is as foolish does now...

Two points.

1. There are a lot more examples of gerry *chasing* around after myself and other posters. Never mind chasing around to attack Harper.

2. Why are you chasing around after me?

[watching&waiting]

I do not chase Gerry. He is a supporter of a party that I believe is corrupt and should not be given any chance of ever getting into power again. Gerry see me as the a CPC supporter probaly for the same reasons. So it is only natural that we will have disagreements. That is why we are here to debate those things. I can not help it if someone gets heated and melts down. I have made some very condtructive post to help Gerry be better at keeping his emotions in check. Those were not commands but suggestions. If you feel we target him for reasons other then opposing views, then I have to ask you where and when. You do not see me making uncivil statements or resorting to foul language to make me point. If you feel that Gerry is gettign a raw deal here, then I suggest you take that up with Greg.

[Ricki Bobbi]

If you feel that Gerry is gettign a raw deal here, then I suggest you take that up with Greg.

Well said. I'm sure grehatrick will continue to receive his special treatment here at this site.

Can't see any reason to complain about how grehatrick is treated here. From his point of view that is...

[gerryhatrick]

What is it about fraud and the Liberals?

They seem to be stuck together like siamese twins....one can't live without the other!

Who knows? What is it with Conservatives and sexual predation?

They're all doing it, and the Pope wants to keep it a secret.

Ypou are if nothing else consistant. You seem to be easily brought to claims of sex abuse. Do you have something you would like to share with us? It seems you must hav e had some bad experience as a child or something. Maybe under the new CPC government, they will ledgislate new laws where you will finally feel safe, or is that what you are afraid of.

Maybe if you explain what you mean by your statement, and then we can debate that and maybe it will quell your issues. Also you have issues with the Pope as well? Now that may take devine intervention, but explaining what you mean exactly may help there as well. That way we all can get in on what you mean in the posts you made.

I would have thought you would realize I was engaging in a parody of betsy's post by posting an equally inane accusation. Well, except for the characterization of the Pope, that is accurate.

EDIT: No I've never been sexually abused, and I'd say your use of that as an attempted dig at me does not reflect well on your character. Are you having a "meltdown"?

[Ricki Bobbi]

I would have thought you would realize I was engaging in a parody of betsy's post by posting an equally inane accusation. Well, except for the characterization of the Pope, that is accurate.

EDIT: No I've never been sexually abused, and I'd say your use of that as an attempted dig at me does not reflect well on your character. Are you having a "meltdown"?

Ahh so your conservative basing and rule-breaking is now a parody? Very interesting....

[gerryhatrick]

I would have thought you would realize I was engaging in a parody of betsy's post by posting an equally inane accusation. Well, except for the characterization of the Pope, that is accurate.

EDIT: No I've never been sexually abused, and I'd say your use of that as an attempted dig at me does not reflect well on your character. Are you having a "meltdown"?

Ahh so your conservative basing and rule-breaking is now a parody? Very interesting....

The Conservative bashing I did to betsy on page 1 was in direct response to her Liberal bashing. It was an obvious parody, actually.

It is not against the rules to engage in such things Ricki.

[MLP]

I would have thought you would realize I was engaging in a parody of betsy's post by posting an equally inane accusation. Well, except for the characterization of the Pope, that is accurate.

If it's "equally insane", then you should have no problem providing one example of a Conservative molesting children for every one example of a Liberal involved in fraud. Let's see some of those examples.

It's time to put up or shut up, Gerry.

[gerryhatrick]

I would have thought you would realize I was engaging in a parody of betsy's post by posting an equally inane accusation. Well, except for the characterization of the Pope, that is accurate.

If it's "equally insane", then you should have no problem providing one example of a Conservative molesting children for every one example of a Liberal involved in fraud. Let's see some of those examples.

It's time to put up or shut up, Gerry.

inane, not insane.

Thus rendering your request moot.

[betsy]

The Conservative bashing I did to betsy on page 1 was in direct response to her Liberal bashing. It was an obvious parody, actually.

It is not against the rules to engage in such things Ricki.

Yours is a parody. But mine is not.

I truly am just stating what seems to be an obvious fact: the Liberals and Fraud seem to go hand-in-hand.

It's like "Jack and Jill" or Roast Turkey and Cranberry Sauce!

[MLP]

Thus rendering your request moot.

Actually, no, it doesn't. The request was based on your usage of the adverb "equally", not my misreading of the adjective you used to describe it. If it is equally inane/insane/preposterous/outrageous - call it whatever you want - then it stands to reason that there should be an equal number of child molestation accusations levied against the Conservatives as there have been fraud accusations levied against the Liberals.

Since you have repeatedly claimed this to be case, you shouldn't have any difficulty substantiating it, so let's see that evidence.

[jbg]

Fraud? Liberals? Who'd have thunk it?

[watching&waiting]

Is there anyone out there in Canada, that if asked the question what political party comes to mind when we say Fraud, coruption, lieing, misuse of tax dollars and theives, wou.ld not have the answer Liberals just roll off their tongue. There is no denying this. Hell even the liberals will say that is so in the majority of cases. Their only hope is to try and deflect the fact that they are associated with all the above words, as they seem to be able to do very little as a party to shake that monkey on their backs.

Just look at what they do to each other during their own leadership conventions, and it make you wonder if they even care. Betsy is right on when she wonders and surmises that fraud and liberal go hand in hand. She is only saying what the rest already know.

[Ricki Bobbi]

Is there anyone out there in Canada, that if asked the question what political party comes to mind when we say Fraud, coruption, lieing, misuse of tax dollars and theives, wou.ld not have the answer Liberals just roll off their tongue. There is no denying this. Hell even the liberals will say that is so in the majority of cases. Their only hope is to try and deflect the fact that they are associated with all the above words, as they seem to be able to do very little as a party to shake that monkey on their backs.

Just look at what they do to each other during their own leadership conventions, and it make you wonder if they even care. Betsy is right on when she wonders and surmises that fraud and liberal go hand in hand. She is only saying what the rest already know.

yes, yes indeed. Quite interesting how refurbishing the party's image hasn't really been discussed much during the leadership campaign.

[gerryhatrick]

Thus rendering your request moot.

Actually, no, it doesn't. The request was based on your usage of the adverb "equally", not my misreading of the adjective you used to describe it. If it is equally inane/insane/preposterous/outrageous - call it whatever you want - then it stands to reason that there should be an equal number of child molestation accusations levied against the Conservatives as there have been fraud accusations levied against the Liberals.

Since you have repeatedly claimed this to be case, you shouldn't have any difficulty substantiating it, so let's see that evidence.

I don't think you understand what a parody is.

But in either case, if something is equally as stupid (inane) as something else, then it does not logically follow that the two things must occur in equal numbers.

My portrayal of all Conservatives as child molesters/sexual predators is equally as stupid as betsy's portrayal of all Liberals as comitters of fraud.

If you're still lost on the matter, PM me. I doubt the rest of the board is interested in your interpretations and my efforts to correct them.