Harper STILL has not complied with Chief Electoral Officer request

gerryhatrick · September 27, 2006

Huh? What are you talking about?
The situation is clear. Kingsley asked for documents/books related to the convention and they have not been provided. What are you talking about with your "lost" and "misplaced" references?

Because Kingsley doesn't have them doesn't mean the CPC didn't provide them to an elections canada official.

Think Gerry. Maybe before you became a geriatric you had that ability.

That is stunning nonsense.

Is the CPC so inept that they would provide these books to an Elections Canada official and not notify the commish?

Girl, you gotta read up on these current events before you post.

Ricki Bobbi · September 27, 2006

That is stunning nonsense.
Is the CPC so inept that they would provide these books to an Elections Canada official and not notify the commish?

Girl, you gotta read up on these current events before you post.

Again with the homophobic and sexist remarks Gerry?

There is no party that notifies Kingsley directly every time they file something with Elections Canada.

Maybe if you weren't too busy attacking people and spreading your hatred for Harper you would actually take a minute to examine things.

But wait, then you would realize that Canada is better of with Harper at the helm than with Mr. Dithers... :lol:

Man, what makes you angrier Gerry? Knowing that your hatred for Harper will grow over time when we win a majority next year, that the world won't pay you your dues and support you to the lifestyle you feel you deserver by feeding at the government trough or that you are so unable to debate anything that you have to resort to insults that would be considered childish in an elementary schoolyard? :lol:

Sad to be you.

gerryhatrick · September 27, 2006

There is no party that notifies Kingsley directly every time they file something with Elections Canada.

What do you know about it? Unless you're an insider you know nothing.

The rest of your post, not surprisingly, was an long shrill attack. For a person who complains about personal attacks, that's pretty much all you do. A quick read back in this topic demonstrates that fact.

Ricki Bobbi · September 27, 2006

What do you know about it? Unless you're an insider you know nothing.

Yes, I do have a little knowledge on the issue Gerry.

I also have common sense, something some posters here seem to be lacking. :lol:

Please do answer the questions what makes you angrier?

Your inability to debate rationally on the issue, thus limiting you to posts questioning where my *knowledge* comes from?

Or that burning, growing inner anger knowing that Stephen Harper will likely be PM for the rest of the decade? :lol:

Is it that burning hatred for homosexuals and women you hinted at two posts ago yet refuse to acknowledge?

Despite all your rage are you still just a rat in a cage?

watching&waiting · September 27, 2006

Gerry why do you persist? Just because one twisted myopic member (Meaning yourself), can not let this go, it does not mean it is important. You have said youself that the news has now picked this up as a wedge issue, and that is probably because even at it worst light, it will not be nothing but a back section filler in the news papers. Just as there is a pecking order in all things, the same can be said for this item. The things asked for by Elections Canada have been given to them. If there is something more that they want the request should come from that source. Yes eventually the report will end up on the Cief electoral officers desk, it will probably have recommendations as to whether there are further questions or whether things all seemed in order.

As much as you seem to never be able to contain yourself, you just keep spouting off here on this site making people think you are a complete nut. You do yourself this harm by your pathetic rants and attempts to cause trouble for all things CPC. I believe you are working with the Liberal and judging their performance at their own leadership race, and the fact that they can not help but sring corruption at every cormers, and then looking at you and what you make the people of this site think about you, I can not help but think, that this must be the new liberal way, and if it is then thank god we won't be seeing the libs with any real pwer for at least another decade.

geoffrey · September 27, 2006

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Gerry has half a point here, but I agree is blowing it way out of proportion.

It's not a big deal, things take time and it will be resolved. But it does need to be resolved, Gerry is right there.

Ricki Bobbi · September 27, 2006

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Gerry has half a point here, but I agree is blowing it way out of proportion.
It's not a big deal, things take time and it will be resolved. But it does need to be resolved, Gerry is right there.

No one here has been arguing that the issue doesn't need to be resolved. Gerry is blowing it completely out of proportion. If you look at my posts on this topic you will see that I agree with everything you say.

Of course the Conservatives do need to comply. But there are many reasons why they may not have yet.

Gerry's blown it so much out of proportion in his own mind that he has portrayed this as breaking the law. Look at the original post.

If he wants to use this forum as a staging ground for continual attacks on Harper and the Cosnervatives he has to expect people to push back.

gerryhatrick · September 28, 2006

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Gerry has half a point here, but I agree is blowing it way out of proportion.

It's not a big deal, things take time and it will be resolved. But it does need to be resolved, Gerry is right there.

No one here has been arguing that the issue doesn't need to be resolved. Gerry is blowing it completely out of proportion. If you look at my posts on this topic you will see that I agree with everything you say.

Of course the Conservatives do need to comply. But there are many reasons why they may not have yet.

I haven't blown anything out of proportion. I've simply stated the facts. You're the one having a meltdown over those facts and running circles around them.

And if you're not a girl, why did you pick the name "Ricki bobbi"? Those are both feminine names, so I'm hardly showing "hatred for homosexuals and women" in assuming you are a girl. Talk about blowing things out of proportion.

Ricki Bobbi · September 28, 2006

And if you're not a girl, why did you pick the name "Ricki bobbi"? Those are both feminine names, so I'm hardly showing "hatred for homosexuals and women" in assuming you are a girl. Talk about blowing things out of proportion.

You hate women, you hate homosexuals and you hate Stephen Harper.

Keep your hatred to yourself. Trying to somehow pretend that your misogynistic and homophobic attacks were honest mistakes is painful. Even if I were female, calling me a girl would still be paternalistic and condescending.

Look for some sort of healthy release Gerry. Your attacks are becoming more shrill and will drive you crazy.

gerryhatrick · September 28, 2006

And if you're not a girl, why did you pick the name "Ricki bobbi"? Those are both feminine names, so I'm hardly showing "hatred for homosexuals and women" in assuming you are a girl. Talk about blowing things out of proportion.

You hate women, you hate homosexuals and you hate Stephen Harper.

Whatever lil darlin'! :lol:

gerryhatrick · September 28, 2006

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Gerry has half a point here, but I agree is blowing it way out of proportion.
It's not a big deal, things take time and it will be resolved. But it does need to be resolved, Gerry is right there.

Thanks Geoffrey.

I'm trying not to blow this "way out of proportion", but it truely amazes me that Harper did not deal with this in a quick and transparent way and take the lumps if laws were broken - as it appears they were.

This, from the OP, is all accurate:

CPC is asked for Convention books....CPC says they will turn over books.....2.5 months go by...CPC says they've turned over books....Chief Electoral Officer says no books yet. CPC says it didn't break the law, Chief Electoral Officer says if they did what they say they did they broke the law.

gc1765 · September 28, 2006

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Gerry has half a point here, but I agree is blowing it way out of proportion.
It's not a big deal, things take time and it will be resolved. But it does need to be resolved, Gerry is right there.

No one here has been arguing that the issue doesn't need to be resolved. Gerry is blowing it completely out of proportion. If you look at my posts on this topic you will see that I agree with everything you say.
Of course the Conservatives do need to comply. But there are many reasons why they may not have yet.

Gerry's blown it so much out of proportion in his own mind that he has portrayed this as breaking the law. Look at the original post.

Wasn't the conservatives number one priority accountability & ethics? So why aren't they being more accountable by opening up their books?

Unless they got lost in the mail, I don't see many other explanations for why they haven't been handed over.

sharkman · September 28, 2006

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Gerry has half a point here, but I agree is blowing it way out of proportion.

It's not a big deal, things take time and it will be resolved. But it does need to be resolved, Gerry is right there.

Thanks Geoffrey.

I'm trying not to blow this "way out of proportion", but it truely amazes me that Harper did not deal with this in a quick and transparent way and take the lumps if laws were broken - as it appears they were.

This, from the OP, is all accurate:

CPC is asked for Convention books....CPC says they will turn over books.....2.5 months go by...CPC says they've turned over books....Chief Electoral Officer says no books yet. CPC says it didn't break the law, Chief Electoral Officer says if they did what they say they did they broke the law.

Let's see: you've told anyone who would listen(and some who would rather not) that Harper is the devil. Yet you say above you are 'truly amazed' that he hasn't dealt with this already. Don't you think someone as evil as Harper supposedly is would hum and haw and eat a few babies before dealing with it? Really, it doesn't add up except in gerry math, I suppose.

Oh, and you need to get out more. Ricki Bobbi is the name of the character Will Ferrell had in his latest movie, a send up of the nascar culture. You can't get more blue collar than that. Will plays a man. Just FYI.

geoffrey · September 28, 2006

Wasn't the conservatives number one priority accountability & ethics? So why aren't they being more accountable by opening up their books?
Unless they got lost in the mail, I don't see many other explanations for why they haven't been handed over.

Well qc... as an accounting major, I may know a thing or two about financial records, and I can tell you that in the companies I've worked with in industry, it takes months for them to disclose anything. Simple pension records can take weeks, ect. ect.. It may actually be as honest as not having it done yet.

I'd give them a little more time, hold them to the statements they make, and let's see what happens. They'll have to release them eventually, we'll know the details then.

gc1765 · September 28, 2006

Well qc... as an accounting major, I may know a thing or two about financial records, and I can tell you that in the companies I've worked with in industry, it takes months for them to disclose anything. Simple pension records can take weeks, ect. ect.. It may actually be as honest as not having it done yet.
I'd give them a little more time, hold them to the statements they make, and let's see what happens. They'll have to release them eventually, we'll know the details then.

I would agree with you, except that the Conservatives said they handed them over already. If it was a simple matter of needing more time, they should have said so, instead of claiming that they were handed over. That I could understand.

But you're right, hopefully we'll know the whole story soon.

gerryhatrick · September 29, 2006

Well qc... as an accounting major, I may know a thing or two about financial records, and I can tell you that in the companies I've worked with in industry, it takes months for them to disclose anything. Simple pension records can take weeks, ect. ect.. It may actually be as honest as not having it done yet.

I'd give them a little more time, hold them to the statements they make, and let's see what happens. They'll have to release them eventually, we'll know the details then.

I would agree with you, except that the Conservatives said they handed them over already. If it was a simple matter of needing more time, they should have said so, instead of claiming that they were handed over. That I could understand.

Exactly. It's quite a bizarre sequence of reactions from the Conservatives.

The media has been largely silent. Still giving Harper a free pass again, I guess, and probably realizing that it will eventually flesh out....at which time they can recap all the bizarreness.

Ricki Bobbi · September 29, 2006

Wasn't the conservatives number one priority accountability & ethics? So why aren't they being more accountable by opening up their books?
Unless they got lost in the mail, I don't see many other explanations for why they haven't been handed over.

Actually there were Five priorities during the election.

I take your ignoring the whole discussion on how this has been blown out of proportion to mean that you agree.

Well qc... as an accounting major, I may know a thing or two about financial records, and I can tell you that in the companies I've worked with in industry, it takes months for them to disclose anything. Simple pension records can take weeks, ect. ect.. It may actually be as honest as not having it done yet.
I'd give them a little more time, hold them to the statements they make, and let's see what happens. They'll have to release them eventually, we'll know the details then.

Don't you know it. There are many things that could have held them up.

Does anyone really believe the MSM would leave this story alone if there were anything really to it at this point?

gc1765 · September 29, 2006

Wasn't the conservatives number one priority accountability & ethics? So why aren't they being more accountable by opening up their books?

Unless they got lost in the mail, I don't see many other explanations for why they haven't been handed over.

I take your ignoring the whole discussion on how this has been blown out of proportion to mean that you agree.

I didn't ignore it, I responded to it. You even quoted my post, so obviously you read it. I think it's important when a party doesn't deliver on it's number one priority.

Actually there were Five priorities during the election.

Obviously I know there are five priorities. I said accountability was the number one priority. Do you disagree with that?

gerryhatrick · September 30, 2006

Does anyone really believe the MSM would leave this story alone if there were anything really to it at this point?

It is not necessary to believe it, it is happening. The story is on the radar though, it has been reported, obviously.

The reason it is not blossoming at this moment is because the Conservatives will say next to nothing about it (other than change their story every month or so) and the Electoral guy is not commenting. He isnt partisan.

Wait for it Ricki....the story is bizarre and astounding and once the shoe drops it will have much more life than it would have had if Harper had just been honest and up front from the beginning.

Ricki Bobbi · September 30, 2006

Wait for it Ricki....the story is bizarre and astounding and once the shoe drops it will have much more life than it would have had if Harper had just been honest and up front from the beginning.

A delay in filing a report is bizarre and astounding?

Wow, just a little hyperbole there. :rolleyes:

gerryhatrick · October 1, 2006

Wait for it Ricki....the story is bizarre and astounding and once the shoe drops it will have much more life than it would have had if Harper had just been honest and up front from the beginning.

A delay in filing a report is bizarre and astounding?

Wow, just a little hyperbole there.

You can frame it in your typical dishonest way all you like, but the facts remain.

Look at the claims of compliance from the Conservatives for the last 2.5 months, followed by testimony from the CEO that they had not complied, followed by two Conservative statements on the SAME DAY - one saying they had complied and one saying they would not comply to the CEO but to some other official.

Uh yeah, bizarre and astounding to say the least.

Ricki Bobbi · October 1, 2006

Uh yeah, bizarre and astounding to say the least.

From dictionary.com

astounding - capable of overwhelming with amazement; stunningly surprising

I don't quite understand what is stunningly surprising about this turn of events.

Does your angry, bitter, little personality have the ability to explain that Gerry?

Did your *partner* leave you for an illicit affair with a CPC MP?

Did Stephen Harper steal candy from you as a child?

Have you worked an honest day in your life?

gerryhatrick · October 1, 2006

Uh yeah, bizarre and astounding to say the least.

From dictionary.com

astounding - capable of overwhelming with amazement; stunningly surprising

I don't quite understand what is stunningly surprising about this turn of events.

It's quite simple Rickie. They obviously made the decision to claim they'd complied with the CEO's request when they hadn't.

For a political party to do something like that is quite amazing. Stunning. And yes, surprising.

Did your *partner* leave you for an illicit affair with a CPC MP?

After all your stupid blathering about me being a homophobe for calling you "girl" that is pretty funny. Pathetic, but funny.

Have you worked an honest day in your life?

That's just pathetic. You're having a meltdown Ricki.

Ricki Bobbi · October 1, 2006

For a political party to do something like that is quite amazing. Stunning. And yes, surprising.

Why?

After all your stupid blathering about me being a homophobe for calling you "girl" that is pretty funny. Pathetic, but funny.

Partner applies to hetero relationships too. Do explain how using the term is homopobic?

I take it you haven't worked an honest day in your life? :lol:

gerryhatrick · October 1, 2006

For a political party to do something like that is quite amazing. Stunning. And yes, surprising.

Why?

You're being obsuse. Purposely stupid, that is.

A conscious decision by a political party to lie knowing that the truth is in full view is amazing and stunning.

If you can only ask "why?" in response to that then I'm wasting my time with you. You're not worth debating if something as simple as this escapes you.