Canadian Political Polls

[Michael Bluth]

I am, and one day you too will make progress!

Start making sense and I'll come around. :wink:

[normanchateau]

Start making sense and I'll come around. :wink:

What have I said that you don't understand? I'd be happy to clarify.

[Michael Bluth]

What have I said that you don't understand? I'd be happy to clarify.

I can understand the words, but not the line of "reasoning".

Harper's days as PM are thankfully coming to a close.

[normanchateau]

What have I said that you don't understand? I'd be happy to clarify.

I can understand the words, but not the line of "reasoning".

Harper's days as PM are thankfully coming to a close.

I was referring to the trend lines showing a decline in support for Harper over the past few months. But your point is well taken as this trend might not continue.

[Michael Bluth]

I was referring to the trend lines showing a decline in support for Harper over the past few months. But your point is well taken as this trend might not continue.

I think your reading far too much into the trends.

Nothing tells me that Dion is on the verge of a break through.

If things stay as choppy as they are Harper will have the advantage for three reasons.

1. Natural benefits of incumbency.

2. Third campaign as leaders vs. zero for Dion.

3. Harper has proven to be a smart tactical politician, nothing I've seen in Dion shows me he has that.

[normanchateau]

I was referring to the trend lines showing a decline in support for Harper over the past few months. But your point is well taken as this trend might not continue.

I think your reading far too much into the trends.

Nothing tells me that Dion is on the verge of a break through.

If things stay as choppy as they are Harper will have the advantage for three reasons.

1. Natural benefits of incumbency.

2. Third campaign as leaders vs. zero for Dion.

3. Harper has proven to be a smart tactical politician, nothing I've seen in Dion shows me he has that.

As I said, this trend might not continue. Harper has indeed proven to be a tactical position but whether he's smart is a matter of partisan opinion.

[jbg]

Here's my answer:

2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

(a) freedom of conscience and religion;

( freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;

© freedom of peaceful assembly; and

(d) freedom of association.

Uh huh. And just when did you become Canadian?

You stepped into that one. Contrast the "Fundamental Freedoms", listed in your quote of my post able, which everyone has with the "Democratic Rights" and "Mobility Rights" which belong to "(e)very citizen of Canada".

DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS OF CITIZENS.

3. Every citizen of Canada has the right to vote in an election of members of the House of Commons or of a legislative assembly and to be qualified for membership therein.

Mobility Rights

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MOBILITY RIGHTS OF CITIZENS / Right to move and gain livelihood / Limitation / Affirmative action programs.

6. (1) Every citizen of Canada has the right to enter, remain in and leave Canada.

(2) Every citizen of Canada and every person who has the status of a permanent resident of Canada has the right

(a) to move to and take up residence in any province; and

( to pursue the gaining of a livelihood in any province.

Thus, even I, as a "non-citizen" of Canada has the "Fundamental Rights", vis a vis the Canadian government. Does that explanation help you?

[Who's Doing What?]

Here's my answer:

2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

(a) freedom of conscience and religion;

( freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;

© freedom of peaceful assembly; and

(d) freedom of association.

Uh huh. And just when did you become Canadian?

You stepped into that one. Contrast the "Fundamental Freedoms", listed in your quote of my post able, which everyone has with the "Democratic Rights" and "Mobility Rights" which belong to "(e)very citizen of Canada".

DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS OF CITIZENS.

3. Every citizen of Canada has the right to vote in an election of members of the House of Commons or of a legislative assembly and to be qualified for membership therein.

Mobility Rights

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MOBILITY RIGHTS OF CITIZENS / Right to move and gain livelihood / Limitation / Affirmative action programs.

6. (1) Every citizen of Canada has the right to enter, remain in and leave Canada.

(2) Every citizen of Canada and every person who has the status of a permanent resident of Canada has the right

(a) to move to and take up residence in any province; and

( to pursue the gaining of a livelihood in any province.

Thus, even I, as a "non-citizen" of Canada has the "Fundamental Rights", vis a vis the Canadian government. Does that explanation help you?

So when did you become a citizen or gain the status of of a permanent resident of Canada?

I really don't give a flying F*** what you can find in the charter, or any other CANADIAN document.

[jbg]

DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS OF CITIZENS.

3. Every citizen of Canada has the right to vote in an election of members of the House of Commons or of a legislative assembly and to be qualified for membership therein.

Mobility Rights

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MOBILITY RIGHTS OF CITIZENS / Right to move and gain livelihood / Limitation / Affirmative action programs.

6. (1) Every citizen of Canada has the right to enter, remain in and leave Canada.

(2) Every citizen of Canada and every person who has the status of a permanent resident of Canada has the right

(a) to move to and take up residence in any province; and

( to pursue the gaining of a livelihood in any province.

Thus, even I, as a "non-citizen" of Canada has the "Fundamental Rights", vis a vis the Canadian government. Does that explanation help you?

So when did you become a citizen or gain the status of of a permanent resident of Canada?

I really don't give a flying F*** what you can find in the charter, or any other CANADIAN document.

Again, since you seem more interested in a cursing session, the Charter gives certain rights to all people in Canada or interacting with Canada, others, only to Canadian citizens. Thus, I cannot, under the Charter, vote in a Canadian election, have the right to come to Canada or have the right to work in Canada. The latter rights, if they exist, derive from other documents.

[jdobbin]

New provincial poll in Alberta.

http://www.marketwirecanada.com/2.0/release.do?id=745379

A new Ipsos Reid poll finds a substantial decline in support for the Ed Stelmach-led Progressive Conservatives. The Progressive Conservatives currently have the backing of 47% of Alberta's decided voters, down 12 points from 59% just two months ago (April). This returns the Progressive Conservatives to the same level of voter support they achieved in the 2004 Alberta provincial election. In fact, all four major parties have returned to exactly where they stood in the last election. Among decided voters, 29% say they would vote Liberal, 10% would vote New Democrat and 9% would vote for the Alberta Alliance Party.

A look at voter support by region produces some telling results for the Progressive Conservatives. In Calgary, Stelmach's party has the support of 42% of decided voters. This is a decline of 8-points from the 50% support the Progressive Conservatives achieved in the last election. In contrast, the Progressive Conservatives are up 12 points in the Edmonton CMA (47% today vs. 35% in election) and up 2-points in the rest of Alberta (53% today vs. 51% in election).

One explanation for the Progressive Conservatives' Calgary problems is highlighted by a poll question that asked Albertans to assess the performance of the Stelmach government at "addressing the needs of your city or region." Only one-third (33%) of Calgary voters say they approve of the provincial government's performance at addressing the needs of their city. This compares to six-in-ten Edmonton voters (58%) and rural voters (61%).

Ed Stelmach's approval rating as Premier has also moved downward. A bare majority (54%) of Albertans say they approve of the job he is doing as Premier, down 12 points from April. Stelmach's approval rating is much lower in Calgary (42%) than in either Edmonton (58%) or the rest of Alberta (63%).

Looks like the angriest people are in Calgary.

[Canuck E Stan]

Looks like the angriest people are in Calgary.

Looks more like a poll that belongs under the Provincial Politics banner.

[jdobbin]

Looks more like a poll that belongs under the Provincial Politics banner.

I put all political polls in this thread. If you want to set up a provincial polls thread, by all means.

[Canuck E Stan]

I put all political polls in this thread. If you want to set up a provincial polls thread, by all means.

It would be nice if you did put ALL political polls here.

Unfortunately, like a true partisan editor, you pick and choice the ones you want.

[Michael Bluth]

It would be nice if you did put ALL political polls here.

Unfortunately, like a true partisan editor, you pick and choice the ones you want.

Such is life. Interesting how Dion's ongoing weakness never gets mentioned in his posts.

[jdobbin]

It would be nice if you did put ALL political polls here.

Unfortunately, like a true partisan editor, you pick and choice the ones you want.

I don't know a national poll on all the parties that I haven't put here. Have I missed one? In some cases, people have posted other polls that have come out like the one you posted. I figured that I wouldn't duplicate the effort.

If you think any and all polls should be here, once again, by all means post them. I am not the editor of this thread. I post a poll when I see it, link it and then offer a comment. People are free to comment afterwards.

[jdobbin]

Opinions of Harper and Dion worsen this month.

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/...em/itemID/16241

Public support for Stephen Harper fell this month in Canada, according to a poll by Angus Reid Strategies. 31 per cent of respondents approve of their prime minister’s performance, and 37 per cent say their opinion of Harper worsened over the past month.

Canadians renewed the House of Commons in January 2006. The Conservative party—led by Harper—received 36.3 per cent of the vote, and secured 124 seats in the 308-member lower house. Harper leads a minority administration after more than 12 years of government by the Liberal party.

In December 2006, former environment minister Stéphane Dion became the new leader of the Liberals. Only 15 per cent of respondents approve of Dion’s performance, and 25 per cent of respondents say their opinion of the Liberal leader has worsened over the past four weeks.

When asked which of the two main federal leaders would make the best prime minister, 38 per cent of respondents pick neither, 33 per cent select Harper, and 17 per cent choose Dion.

On Jun. 22, Harper dismissed the possibility of an early House of Commons ballot, saying, "As I said all winter long, Canadians don’t want another election." Dion said his party would not seek to topple the Tories at this time, adding, "There are many, many things that I find wrong in this government and it’s not a reason for me to say that, because these things are wrong, I’m ready to call an election." 38 per cent of respondents think Canada is on the right track, down four points since May.

Looks like the public is getting sick of the back and forthing going on in Ottawa.

[jbg]

It would be nice if you did put ALL political polls here.

Unfortunately, like a true partisan editor, you pick and choice the ones you want.

Such is life. Interesting how Dion's ongoing weakness never gets mentioned in his posts.

Still waiting to watch Dion perform in the English Leadership debates.

[geoffrey]

Looks like the angriest people are in Calgary.

What else is new.

[jdobbin]

Decima poll on the Conservative party sponsoring NASCAR.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Canada/200...26/4292253.html

Anderson said there might be a problem for the Tories if non-NASCAR fans conclude the party isn’t interested in their votes.

“If there’s any downside to this sponsorship that the Conservative party has chosen, it probably lies more in the area of announcing that it was a strategy to target certain voters and, by extension, maybe not to target other voters,” he said.

“It’s one thing to do this kind of thing and reach out to the people you want to reach out to, it’s another to signal somehow that other voters are not part of the big tent that you hope to create.”

The risk is that other voters will interpret the move as a sign that the Tories don’t really care about winning their support.

I'm less concerned about the sponsorship than I am about how the Tories buy good headlines on Pierre Borque's website.

[gc1765]

I thought this part was interesting:

"The poll, provided exclusively to The Canadian Press, also suggested that NASCAR fans tend to be rural males at a time when the Tories are thought to be wooing urban women in pursuit of an elusive majority government."

They pretty much have most of the rural ridings already. If they want to get a majority, they are going to need to win over urban voters. As I mentioned before, this won't help them in urban ridings on the environment issue.

[geoffrey]

Sponsor a nightclub instead of a NASCAR and your set.

[Michael Bluth]

I thought this part was interesting:

"The poll, provided exclusively to The Canadian Press, also suggested that NASCAR fans tend to be rural males at a time when the Tories are thought to be wooing urban women in pursuit of an elusive majority government."

They pretty much have most of the rural ridings already. If they want to get a majority, they are going to need to win over urban voters. As I mentioned before, this won't help them in urban ridings on the environment issue.

Fair enough. But when the Conservatives reach out to urban women again, the target voters will focus on that policy. Not on NASCAR.

NASCAR solidifies the rural basis. Could come in handy in Saskatchewan among other places.

[Vancouver King]

I thought this part was interesting:

"The poll, provided exclusively to The Canadian Press, also suggested that NASCAR fans tend to be rural males at a time when the Tories are thought to be wooing urban women in pursuit of an elusive majority government."

They pretty much have most of the rural ridings already. If they want to get a majority, they are going to need to win over urban voters. As I mentioned before, this won't help them in urban ridings on the environment issue.

Fair enough. But when the Conservatives reach out to urban women again, the target voters will focus on that policy. Not on NASCAR.

NASCAR solidifies the rural basis. Could come in handy in Saskatchewan among other places.

And the bottom line? Conservatives consolidate the Bubba vote. This has a 'construction workers for Ronald Reagan' flavor to it.

[Michael Bluth]

And the bottom line? Conservatives consolidate the Bubba vote. This has a 'construction workers for Ronald Reagan' flavor to it.

If they can, they are in majority territory.

Don't fool yourself about a lot of the rural ridings in Ontario.

[jdobbin]

Decima poll suggests country does not support Harper on equalization.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...28?hub=Politics

A new poll suggests Prime Minister Stephen Harper has won few converts in Atlantic Canada for his equalization policies.

The survey by Decima Research suggests that a 69 per cent of people in the region side with the premiers of Nova Scotia and Newfoundland and Labrador on this issue, with only six per cent taking Harper's side.

Pollster Bruce Anderson says the numbers also suggest that Harper isn't making headway on this issue in the rest of the country either.

Even the highway jobs announcement doesn't seem to take the sting out of Atlantic Canada's feelings over Harper's budget.