Canadian Political Polls

[Michael Bluth]

The latest poll from Ipsos Reid.

Tories ahead by 1%. We'll see if they can recover any momentum this week with some legislation on accountability that they plan to introduce.

The poll covers undoubtedly the worst two weeks in the life of this Conservative Government and the Liberals still can't take a lead.

Is there anything poor, poor Stephane Dion can do to turn Liberal fortunes around?

[normanchateau]

even having supported a motion to investigate whether Shane Doan is racist, what can Harper possibly due now to get his elusive majority?\

Harper called Doan personally to send him well wishes.

What do yoiu think Doan cares more about? The phone call or the motion in committe.

It depends on whether he views Harper as sincere or as a hypocrite. And if he views Harper as sincere, which action is sincere? The phone call or his voting to investigate Doan as a racist?

It's kind of reminiscent of Harper's stand on fiscal conservatism. He claims to be a fiscal conservative but all of his actions are those of a free spender squandering Canadians' money like a drunken sailor.

He had a golden opportunity to reduce income taxes dramatically in 2007 but he blew that. In July 2006, he actually raised our income taxes and lowered our basic personal exemption. So is Harper a hypocrite by claiming to be a fiscal conservative? Do you think Harper would be as low in the polls now if he had lowered personal income taxes in the 2007 budget?

Which action of Harper's is Doan to believe given Harper's track record of not telling the truth?

[Michael Bluth]

It depends on whether he views Harper as sincere or as a hypocrite. And if he views Harper as sincere, which action is sincere? The phone call or his voting to investigate Doan as a racist?

Just because you think Harper is a hypocrite, that doesn't mean that is how Doan will react.

When interviewed yesterday Doan said he appreciated the phone call from the Prime Minister and will let his play on the ice do the talking.

[jdobbin]

So now we know that the Decima poll was no fluke. Even Ipsos-Reid now has no statistical difference between the Liberals and Conservatives. This despite a March budget that shovelled money off the back of the truck to Quebec yet the Conservatives remain in third place in Quebec in both the Ipsos-Reid and Decima polls. You'd think that Harper would have learned by now that bribing Quebecers with money from other Canadians would not get him elected.

You can see that in Quebec and Ontario, the Liberal have taken the lead over the Tories.

B.C.: Conservatives 43 per cent (-4), Liberals 32 ( 4), NDP 15 (0), Green 10 ( 1)

- Alberta: Conservatives 66 ( 4), Liberals 20 ( 10), NDP 7 (-4), Green 7 (-8)

- Saskatchewan/Manitoba: Conservatives 46 (0), Liberals 25 ( 3), NDP 22 ( 1), Green 8 (-3)

- Ontario: Conservatives 34 (-6), Liberals 44 ( 4), NDP 13 (0), Green 9 ( 2)

- Quebec: Bloc 35 ( 4), Conservatives 20 (-5), Liberals, 25 ( 1), NDP 14 ( 2), Green 5 (-1)

- Atlantic Canada: Conservatives 32 ( 10), Liberals, 43 (-1), NDP 18 (-4), Green 7 (-1)

Dion is in the ballpark for a minority government. The Tory support is still too concentrated in seats they won.

[Michael Bluth]

Dion is in the ballpark for a minority government. The Tory support is still too concentrated in seats they won.

When the Conservatives were at 38% they weren't in the ball park for a majority but these results mean the Liberals are in the ball park for a minority?

There is no credibility to your analysis. If you apply more favourable analysis to Liberal positive results than you do to Conservative positive results.

[jdobbin]

Here's another poll just out today.

http://winnipegsun.com/News/Canada/2007/05...157552-sun.html

OTTAWA -- Nearly half of Canadians think the Conservative government is fumbling the war effort in Afghanistan and a majority want to bring the troops home if the death toll continues to mount.

A new SES Research-Sun Media poll finds 54.6% of Canadians want a withdrawal if casualties climb, compared to 39.3% who see fallen soldiers as an unfortunate but necessary part of the mission.

"Canadians look at what the trade-offs are in terms of whether the mission can succeed -- not just the financial cost of the mission but the human cost," said SES President Nik Nanos. "I think it's pretty clear that a majority of Canadians think if the casualties continue, then we should have a pull-out."

The difference of opinion is most stark with Conservative voters, who are much more likely than Liberal, NDP, Bloc Quebecois or Green supporters to accept blood in the war zone. But Nanos said it's not even a slam-dunk for committed Tories, since nearly 40% would call for a troop withdrawal if casualties continue.

Almost half of all Canadians are questioning how the Tories have handled the Afghan mission.

[normanchateau]

It depends on whether he views Harper as sincere or as a hypocrite. And if he views Harper as sincere, which action is sincere? The phone call or his voting to investigate Doan as a racist?

Just because you think Harper is a hypocrite...

I don't think it's even a matter of debate whether Harper is a hypocrite. He is a hypocrite. Do you want examples?

[Michael Bluth]

I don't think it's even a matter of debate whether Harper is a hypocrite.

There's the rub normie.

Why debate anything with you?

Anybody who doesn't share your animus for Harper is an enemy. Great. Have fun with that.

If you want to have an actual debate on policy instead of the personality, weight or perceived agenda of the PM feel free.

[jdobbin]

I don't think it's even a matter of debate whether Harper is a hypocrite. He is a hypocrite. Do you want examples?

I'm sure you will be called a Harper hater for even suggesting that Harper has done things completely the opposite of what he said in the election.

[Michael Bluth]

I don't think it's even a matter of debate whether Harper is a hypocrite. He is a hypocrite. Do you want examples?

I'm sure you will be called a Harper hater for even suggesting that Harper has done things completely the opposite of what he said in the election.

If you want to have an actual debate on policy instead of the personality, weight or perceived agenda of the PM feel free.

[scribblet]

If you want to have an actual debate on policy instead of the personality, weight or perceived agenda of the PM feel free.

Good one

[jdobbin]

Good one

To whit, I say income trusts. Harper campaigned on keeping them and as soon as he was elected did the opposite of what he said. He said the Liberals were going to it but no, not him. Is this the type of policy you wanted to debate as being hypocritical?

[Michael Bluth]

To whit, I say income trusts. Harper campaigned on keeping them and as soon as he was elected did the opposite of what he said. He said the Liberals were going to it but no, not him. Is this the type of policy you wanted to debate as being hypocritical?

Fine. At the time he made the promise had BCE, Telus and other large companies decalred their intention to convert to trust status?

The change was made because of changing circumstances. How is that defined as hypocrisy?

[normanchateau]

I don't think it's even a matter of debate whether Harper is a hypocrite. He is a hypocrite. Do you want examples?

I'm sure you will be called a Harper hater for even suggesting that Harper has done things completely the opposite of what he said in the election.

If you want to have an actual debate on policy instead of the personality, weight or perceived agenda of the PM feel free.

I'd be happy to debate Harper's policies. Which ones should we debate? His policies as leader of the National Citizens' Coalition? His policies as Reform Party Finance Critic? His policies as leader of the Official Opposition?

His policies as Prime Minister in a minority government? His policies as Prime Minister of a majority government?

How about his policies on medicare? They're all over the map.

http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/20050430091919834

How about Harper's medical wait-times guarantee agreement?

http://www.medbroadcast.com/channel_health...8&relation_id=0

[sharkman]

To whit, I say income trusts. Harper campaigned on keeping them and as soon as he was elected did the opposite of what he said. He said the Liberals were going to it but no, not him. Is this the type of policy you wanted to debate as being hypocritical?

Fine. At the time he made the promise had BCE, Telus and other large companies decalred their intention to convert to trust status?

The change was made because of changing circumstances. How is that defined as hypocrisy?

Ah, Michael, nothing matters to the left except smearing Harper. Layton gets a pass. May gets a pass. Dion gets a pass. But Harper is still scary scary!

[Michael Bluth]

Ah, Michael, nothing matters to the left except smearing Harper. Layton gets a pass. May gets a pass. Dion gets a pass. But Harper is still scary scary!

Governing is all about making choices.

No objective observer could say any PM made as many poor choices as certain members of the hateocracy chalk up to Harper.

They have attacked his appearance (both weight and choice of fashion). Then they attack him for hiring someone to help improve his appearance.

He is attacked for not taking enough action on the environment. Then he is attacked for not cutting gas prices to encourage driving. (Thanks for both of those Jacko.)

Some people will attack him no matter what he does. So much hate, so little reason.

[scribblet]

Ah, Michael, nothing matters to the left except smearing Harper. Layton gets a pass. May gets a pass. Dion gets a pass. But Harper is still scary scary!

Governing is all about making choices.

No objective observer could say any PM made as many poor choices as certain members of the hateocracy chalk up to Harper.

They have attacked his appearance (both weight and choice of fashion). Then they attack him for hiring someone to help improve his appearance.

He is attacked for not taking enough action on the environment. Then he is attacked for not cutting gas prices to encourage driving. (Thanks for both of those Jacko.)

Some people will attack him no matter what he does. So much hate, so little reason.

Well said! hateocracy that's a good one.

[normanchateau]

But Harper is still scary scary!

Not to social conservatives.

[Shakeyhands]

Ah, Michael, nothing matters to the left except smearing Harper. Layton gets a pass. May gets a pass. Dion gets a pass. But Harper is still scary scary!

Governing is all about making choices.

No objective observer could say any PM made as many poor choices as certain members of the hateocracy chalk up to Harper.

They have attacked his appearance (both weight and choice of fashion). Then they attack him for hiring someone to help improve his appearance.

He is attacked for not taking enough action on the environment. Then he is attacked for not cutting gas prices to encourage driving. (Thanks for both of those Jacko.)

Some people will attack him no matter what he does. So much hate, so little reason.

Yeah, I remember when the Liberals formed the government, it was all peace and love over on this board. You never heard any criticsm of the government or players whatsoever....

[Michael Bluth]

Yeah, I remember when the Liberals formed the government, it was all peace and love over on this board. You never heard any criticsm of the government or players whatsoever....

Your point being?

[Shakeyhands]

can't we just hug and talk about how great the CPC are?

(I don't want to debate or criticize anything they do, hateocracy hurts my feelings.)

[Michael Bluth]

can't we just hug and talk about how great the CPC are?

Can't we just spew vile about anything and everything remotely connected to the Conservatives?

Oh that's right. You do.

[Shakeyhands]

Please show me where I have?

You guys are getting predictable...

[mikedavid00]

I don't think it's even a matter of debate whether Harper is a hypocrite. He is a hypocrite.

I agree.

[normanchateau]

Yeah, I remember when the Liberals formed the government, it was all peace and love over on this board. You never heard any criticsm of the government or players whatsoever....

Yeah, no venom directed against Paul Martin from CPC supporters. No derogatory terms like Libranos or Fiberals appeared daily. No attempts were made to tar every single member of the party for adscam. And if there ever was criticism, it was always fair, respectful and in good clean fun, not like the no-holds-barred nastiness directed at poor Stephen Harper.