Ricki Bobbi Posted September 4, 2006 Report Posted September 4, 2006 Minister Ambrose seems to be a flexible person. She is known for being more libertarian. Perhaps it is better this way as she will be willing to offer more flexible solutions that will be worked out here instead of bureacratic internationally-unflexible regulations. Her job is definitely on the line in this one. She is seen in the media as one of the less successful Cabinet Ministers to date. Ambrose Link. She isn't the most popular person around the cabinet table. So we will have to see. My gut tells me that Harper won't give her a lot of latitude on the file. If he isn't happy with the first draft he'll essentially take the file out of her hands and then keep her as a placeholder minister until the next election. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
tml12 Posted September 4, 2006 Report Posted September 4, 2006 Minister Ambrose seems to be a flexible person. She is known for being more libertarian. Perhaps it is better this way as she will be willing to offer more flexible solutions that will be worked out here instead of bureacratic internationally-unflexible regulations. Her job is definitely on the line in this one. She is seen in the media as one of the less successful Cabinet Ministers to date. Ambrose Link. She isn't the most popular person around the cabinet table. So we will have to see. My gut tells me that Harper won't give her a lot of latitude on the file. If he isn't happy with the first draft he'll essentially take the file out of her hands and then keep her as a placeholder minister until the next election. A lot of that criticism seems speculative. Would they have given Harper an "A" if he had kept Canada in Kyoto? Not sure I understand but if Harper replaces Ambrose that would be OK with me but I think she inherited a lot from the Liberals. Quote "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." -Alexander Hamilton
B. Max Posted September 4, 2006 Report Posted September 4, 2006 Harper has given the enviro whackos the boot when it comes to his new enviro policy to be released this fall. That in its self is good sign. On the other hand, asking the duped and brain washed public seems like a waste of time. A better plan would have been to come out and tell the truth. If he doesn't it will likely end up coming back to bite him in the ass. The video in the link would be a good place to start. It shows how the uninformed public in general have been duped, and how the anti capitalists have high jacked the tree hugger organizations for the purpose of their own agenda and turned it into big business. http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-44...teller+bullshit Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted September 4, 2006 Report Posted September 4, 2006 Right or wrong a lot of politics is perception. Ambrose had not been perceived as a strong Environment Minister. All the ministers received a lot of crap from the Liberals. It is all speculation at this point. But Ambrose's job is, fairly, on the line for the plan they come out with in the coming weeks. A lot of that criticism seems speculative. Would they have given Harper an "A" if he had kept Canada in Kyoto? Not sure I understand but if Harper replaces Ambrose that would be OK with me but I think she inherited a lot from the Liberals. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
gerryhatrick Posted September 4, 2006 Author Report Posted September 4, 2006 Harper has given the enviro whackos the boot when it comes to his new enviro policy to be released this fall. That in its self is good sign. On the other hand, asking the duped and brain washed public seems like a waste of time. What was he asking the public? Do you think he was asking them what needs to be done? Don't think so. The polling was to find out if it's an issue they need to pay attention to and how much attention they need to pay to it, bet on it. It's truely pathetic. edit: in fact, according to the news on this Conservative polling, it's been identified as a "wedge" issue to them. http://www.hamiltonspectator.com/NASApp/cs...l=1112101662670 Low and behold, instead of Kyoto the government is coming up with a "made in Canada" plan: "The government has said it is developing a made-in-Canada plan, with a focus on a new clean-air act to fight smog." Fight smog? That's great, but it's not a replacement plan for global warming. Quote Conservative Party of Canada taking image advice from US Republican pollster: http://allpoliticsnow.com
B. Max Posted September 4, 2006 Report Posted September 4, 2006 Global warming is a farce and they know it. No government in their right mind is going to destroy the economy and expect to get re-elected. Kyoto was a UN plot to destroy the industrialized economies, or by way of paying tribute to the third world marxist run back waters save their economies. To Harpers credit he said go to hell. Quote
gerryhatrick Posted September 4, 2006 Author Report Posted September 4, 2006 Global warming is a farce and they know it. Global warming isn't happening, you think? Or is it happening but we're not causing it. I'm interested to know which of these wacko POV's you adhere to. Quote Conservative Party of Canada taking image advice from US Republican pollster: http://allpoliticsnow.com
B. Max Posted September 4, 2006 Report Posted September 4, 2006 Global warming is a farce and they know it. Global warming isn't happening, you think? Or is it happening but we're not causing it. I'm interested to know which of these wacko POV's you adhere to. The planet warms and cools naturally that is not wacko it is scientific fact. The phony computer models that drive the global warming hysteria is what's whacko. Models that can't even be made to match the historical temperature records can not predict the future. There is not the slightest bit of proof for man made global warming. Quote
Shakeyhands Posted September 4, 2006 Report Posted September 4, 2006 Yeah, scary Conservatives. Imagine a government actually asking the people what they want in a policy rather than the benevolent paternalism of Liberal governments.It seems like Harper is trying to figure out what Canadians want and I'll bet he'll deliver for us if it's reasonable. Unlike the Liberals who talk a lot but walk very little. Funny, the conservatives on thi sboard like to say that the Liberals didn't make a move without sticking a wet finger in the air... what makes this any different? Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Canuck E Stan Posted September 4, 2006 Report Posted September 4, 2006 Global warming isn't happening, you think? Or is it happening but we're not causing it.I'm interested to know which of these wacko POV's you adhere to. I guess it was global cooling that put an end to the dinosaurs in their Canadian tropical paradise way back when. If only those damn prehistoric conservative cavemen had done something about Kyotosaurus to stop it. I curse those idiots,we could be living in the tropics, here on the streets,in Canada. If only they were smart as Gerryhatricks and knew the answers to ALL the questions. The answer: It's Harper's fault. Quote "Any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart, and any man over 30 who is not a conservative has no brains." — Winston Churchill
tml12 Posted September 5, 2006 Report Posted September 5, 2006 Yeah, scary Conservatives. Imagine a government actually asking the people what they want in a policy rather than the benevolent paternalism of Liberal governments. It seems like Harper is trying to figure out what Canadians want and I'll bet he'll deliver for us if it's reasonable. Unlike the Liberals who talk a lot but walk very little. Funny, the conservatives on thi sboard like to say that the Liberals didn't make a move without sticking a wet finger in the air... what makes this any different? The Conservatives are SINCERELY doing more than the Liberals on the issue of the environment, that's what makes this different. Quote "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." -Alexander Hamilton
Ricki Bobbi Posted September 5, 2006 Report Posted September 5, 2006 Ahhh, Shakey you asked for an example of your unwarranted and disrespectul attack about the Conservative Party or their leader. You are getting closer by attacking Conservative Party supporters. You're getting there buddy! Funny, the conservatives on thi sboard like to say that the Liberals didn't make a move without sticking a wet finger in the air... what makes this any different? Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
jbg Posted September 5, 2006 Report Posted September 5, 2006 Any politician, when elections are in the air, hires a pollster. What's the big problem? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
newbie Posted September 5, 2006 Report Posted September 5, 2006 There is not the slightest bit of proof for man made global warming. Some people will never change their mind in the face of insurmountable evidence, but if you're tempted google "proof of global warming". Quote
Shakeyhands Posted September 5, 2006 Report Posted September 5, 2006 Ahhh, Shakey you asked for an example of your unwarranted and disrespectul attack about the Conservative Party or their leader. You are getting closer by attacking Conservative Party supporters. You're getting there buddy!Funny, the conservatives on thi sboard like to say that the Liberals didn't make a move without sticking a wet finger in the air... what makes this any different? Thats an attack? I simply asked a question about double standards.... give me a break. You need a new hobby me thinks. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
B. Max Posted September 5, 2006 Report Posted September 5, 2006 There is not the slightest bit of proof for man made global warming. Some people will never change their mind in the face of insurmountable evidence, but if you're tempted google "proof of global warming". The facts are the facts. http://www.lesstaxonfuel.co.uk/warming.htm Quote
newbie Posted September 5, 2006 Report Posted September 5, 2006 There is not the slightest bit of proof for man made global warming. Some people will never change their mind in the face of insurmountable evidence, but if you're tempted google "proof of global warming". The facts are the facts. http://www.lesstaxonfuel.co.uk/warming.htm You facts lost credibility when they tried to dispute CO2 as a non-pollutant (even the U.S. Clean Air act defines it so, or do we have different air - link). Strange how MOST climatologist will disagree with your so-called facts. You're clearly in the minority of world and science opinion on global warming. I suppose you think the depletion of the ozone layer is a natural phenomenon as well. Quote
gerryhatrick Posted September 6, 2006 Author Report Posted September 6, 2006 There is not the slightest bit of proof for man made global warming. Ya think? Quote Conservative Party of Canada taking image advice from US Republican pollster: http://allpoliticsnow.com
gerryhatrick Posted September 6, 2006 Author Report Posted September 6, 2006 Ahhh, Shakey you asked for an example of your unwarranted and disrespectul attack about the Conservative Party or their leader. You are getting closer by attacking Conservative Party supporters. You're getting there buddy!Funny, the conservatives on thi sboard like to say that the Liberals didn't make a move without sticking a wet finger in the air... what makes this any different? That is sad. Give it up RB. Quote Conservative Party of Canada taking image advice from US Republican pollster: http://allpoliticsnow.com
BubberMiley Posted September 6, 2006 Report Posted September 6, 2006 Any politician, when elections are in the air, hires a pollster. What's the big problem? Normally they hire pollsters on their own dime, and don't do party polling with tax money. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
BubberMiley Posted September 6, 2006 Report Posted September 6, 2006 You're clearly in the minority of world and science opinion on global warming. I suppose you think the depletion of the ozone layer is a natural phenomenon as well. A tiny minority made up of oil company shills and the very naive. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Ricki Bobbi Posted September 6, 2006 Report Posted September 6, 2006 Where was that accusation made? The government paid for Conservative Party of Canada polling? I would have to see some actual support for that. Normally they hire pollsters on their own dime, and don't do party polling with tax money. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
jbg Posted September 6, 2006 Report Posted September 6, 2006 You're clearly in the minority of world and science opinion on global warming. I suppose you think the depletion of the ozone layer is a natural phenomenon as well. A tiny minority made up of oil company shills and the very naive. Are you saying there haven't been Ice Ages and Interglacial Periods in the past? Gah. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
gc1765 Posted September 6, 2006 Report Posted September 6, 2006 "We don't make decisions in our governments based on polls," -Stephen Harper, August 2006 Link "This party will not take its position based on public opinion polls. We will not take a stand based on focus groups. We will not take a stand based on phone-in shows or householder surveys or any other vagaries of public opinion" -Stephen Harper, January 2003 Link No wonder they call him "Stephen Harpercrite". Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Borg Posted September 6, 2006 Report Posted September 6, 2006 "We don't make decisions in our governments based on polls," -Stephen Harper, August 2006 Link "This party will not take its position based on public opinion polls. We will not take a stand based on focus groups. We will not take a stand based on phone-in shows or householder surveys or any other vagaries of public opinion" -Stephen Harper, January 2003 Link No wonder they call him "Stephen Harpercrite". Out of curiosity, who would you like to see him replaced with? Borg Quote
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