Mackay Backs Merger

[westcoast99]

Peter MacKay officially said that he wants to work with the Alliance towards the creation of a Conservative party. MacKay said "Canadians want to see a united Conservative party and that is what we want to give them."

Edited August 11, 2015 by Gugsy

[dnsfurlan]

Take a look at the post I made in the other forum. Mackay seems to be pulling another Joe Clark here. Maybe nothing really has changed.

There seems to be so much immediate momentum sparked and all he wants to do is to sit on this for an extended period of time.

What is he waiting for?

[westcoast99]

MacKay said he wants to work towards a united Conservative party quickly in the foyer of the House of Commons less than 30 minutes ago.

Edited August 12, 2015 by Gugsy

[dnsfurlan]

If I'm not mistaken, he made the comments at around 4pm this afternoon, right after a caucus meeting. Which, if true, is his most recent stance on the matter.

Maybe we've hit upon a different set of press releases that chose to emphasize a different part of what Mackay chose to say.

You know how the media likes to jump on these things.

In fact, I think I am now guilty of doing the same thing.

Maybe I need to sit back a bit in order to get a better sense of what is really happening.

This is all happening so much faster than I anticipated. I didn't think such talks would happen. Maybe I need to take a deep breath. Time is short. Its not that short.

[Pellaken]

with MacKay, you need hourly (if not secondly) updates on what his opinions are, they change so often.

[westcoast99]

John Reynolds and Loyola Hearn were on Politics just a few minutes ago.

Reynolds and Hearn both agreed that the PCs and Alliance would be equals in any new party.

Reynolds also said "We're going to make this work, I'm convinced of it. We've come too far in this. Our negotiators will work something out."

Maybe they are closer to an agreement than anyone lets on?

Edited August 12, 2015 by Gugsy

[Mr. Chater]

Well it will only be a matter of time if they do. We have all been talking about it for a while. It's about time action is taken. I don't see why they would let this one down, as it is their only option to make things work for the Right wing.

[Alliance Fanatic]

I sure hope a merger happens, simply so that their wont be anymore infantile name calling, and conservatives may be united in order to beat Paul Martin.

However, I will leave a new conservative party, if it turns out to simply be blue liberals, who have more in common with Joe Clark, Scott Brison, Paul Martin, and Jean Chretien, than Stephen Harper, or Mike Harris. Then I will simply join a different party.

Mackay's position always seem to change on the merger issue, I'm hoping that he will see the light, but he flip flops alot.

The Alliance supports a merger, the Alliance has been the only driving force behind a merger, the alliance will support a merger, however it is up to the tories whether or not a merger happens. If the tories slam the door on the Alliance, then hopefully they'll get wiped out next election, and the Alliance becomes a credible alternative.

Dont use polls to say the tories are better than the Alliance, show which policies are better than the Alliance's.

[Pellaken]

tory social policies are better

alliance social policies try to force the wrong religion on people.

[dnsfurlan]

alliance social policies try to force the wrong religion on people

This is just outright nonsense. I'd really like to hear some justification for that statment. Otherwise, it is simply misinformed and uneducated.

And who are the ones trying to force their values on everyone else? Isn't it the Left that is always trying to use Big Government to force their social agenda on others?

Give me a break on some of this stuff. :angry:

[Pellaken]

you want to use the government to prevent gay marriage

THAT's social engenering

[dnsfurlan]

you want to use the government to prevent gay marriage

THAT's social engenering

How silly is that answer? Are you capable of a serious discussion of issues? And you're running as a candidate for elected office?

WHO IN THE WORLD IS USING GOVERNMENT TO ADVANCE A SOCIAL CAUSE THEY WERE NOT ELECTED TO IMPLEMENT?

WHO IS USING THE COURTS TO SOCIALLY ENGINEER SOCIETY?

All the Alliance wants is to for elected officials to decide this issue on behalf of the Canadian people? HOW IN THE WORLD IS THAT SOCIAL ENGINEERING?

This stuff is laughable. I mean, come on, get serious, will 'ya?

[Pellaken]

why dont YOU get serisous

you want to FORCE people to not get married. we want to leave the option open. These are human rights, you cannot go against human rights just because someone voted it so.

[Kiraly]

you want to FORCE people to not get married. we want to leave the option open. These are human rights, you cannot go against human rights just because someone voted it so.

It all depends on what your view of marriage is?

Many people, myself included, view the institution of marriage as a union between a man and a woman, husband and wife.

No one supporting the traditional definition of marriage is denying a homosexual the right to enter into marriage with someone of the opposite sex. Thus, they have the same right as a heterosexual. They choose not to exercise this right.

The Government has already passed legislation giving equal rights to homosexual and heterosexual couples.

As far as I know, rules governing taxes, pensions, and welfare benefits apply to all common-law relationships, regardless of sexual orientation.

So I don't accept your assertion that their human rights are being denied.

[theWatcher]

A merger is good for many reasons, everyone knows that.

My biggest fear is that the new party would get pulled too close to the center which tends to set policy by reading the polls.

I still think its not likely to happen, as much as I'd like to see it. I don't think a Mackay Harper leadership contest would be much of a battle for Harper.

Perhaps a heavier hitter could be enticed to run. I am not sure one exists though.

But I know one thing.

It would strike fear in the hearts of the Liberals.

[solomon]

you want to use the government to prevent gay marriage

THAT's social engenering

:angry: Pell, THAT is pure BULLS**T!

Leaving traditions, morals, social conventions, and institutions that have stood the test of millenia is NOT social engineering.

The goddam Liberals and NDP are doing everything they can to overturn a stable and once proud society.

Social engineering started with Trudeau and his Quebec mafia - and has gained momentum ever since.

[Littlefinger]

It would strike fear in the hearts of the Liberals.

I'm not sure I understand why; I'm certainly not afraid, whether the merger can be pulled off or not.

[Alliance Fanatic]

Pellaken it is not social engineering to believe that marriage is simply between a man and a woman. Gay marriage has nothing to do with human rights, I am personally getting sick of people complaining about how their sexual preferences are human rights, gays want to socially re-engineer the country, they try to restrict religion, and freedom of speech. I have a few questions for you.

1. If sexual preferences are considered human rights, then you have no problem with pedophilia, incest, or bestiality, the reason why we have laws against these cases are because it was recognized by or moral code, that these behaviors were unhealthy. Homosexuality was given an exception due to the fact it was two adults doing, and according to the Altlanta Center for Disease Control, homosexuality can lead to death. But in essence homosexuality is not different from incest, pedophilia, or bestiality, all were once considered taboo. However pedophilia is now becoming tolerated, the first people to celebrate the idea of pedophilia as art were egale. Egale also supports lowering the age of consent.

2. I believe that homosexuals have the right to do whatever they wanna do behind close doors, "but they should shut up about it, and stop parading about". It has also been shown that whenever gay activists go up against the church, gays ultimately win. In Vancouver gay rights activists burned a cross on the steps of a catholic church, and I believe one christmas, or easter, gays went along a route catholics were taking and mocked them for their beliefs.

-that is true, strangely if christians did that to homosexuals it would be the hate crime of the century.

3. I have a relative who is gay, and will not be able to live past his 35th birthday due to the fact he has AIDS.

[Mr. Chater]

why dont YOU get serisous

you want to FORCE people to not get married. we want to leave the option open. These are human rights, you cannot go against human rights just because someone voted it so.

It is not forcing people to get married and not get married. Rather it is the question of keeping the Traditional Definition of Marriage. (A Male and Female unite for life.)

[Pellaken]

weather you think its a human right or not is not the issue. it is, and that's the end of that. its not what "I" think, its what the court thinks.

you argue tradition, well guess what? traditions are made to be broken, and its about time this one is thrown out the window. its called progress, get used to it.

[dnsfurlan]

Pellaken,

You are obviously not capable of putting together well-reasoned and well-supported arguments.

This isn't the first time you've come on these boards, have made a slanderous-like statement against people you disagree, and then supported it with one-line answers and extremely weak logic.

What does it say about the strength of your positions when you don't seriously defend them?

Instead of slinging mudd at your adversaries, you should learn how to debate with them. Because debate is certainly not what you do on these boards.

How in the world did you become a candidate for office? Is PEI that small a region of this country? 18 year olds who can't carry themselves in a debate. Can't PEI do better?

[westcoast99]

Why are we talking about social engineering? I created this thread to hear about everyone's thoughts on the possibility of a merger. I didn't expect it'd be hijacked by dnsfurlan and Pellaken.

Edited August 11, 2015 by Gugsy

[Kiraly]

How in the world did you become a candidate for office? Is PEI that small a region of this country? 18 year olds who can't carry themselves in a debate. Can't PEI do better?

You're not serious are you?

[Kiraly]

Why are we talking about social engineering? I created this thread to hear about everyone's thoughts on the possibility of a merger. I didn't expect it'd be hijacked by dnsfurlan and Pellaken.

It would strike fear in the hearts of the Liberals.

I'm not sure I understand why; I'm certainly not afraid, whether the merger can be pulled off or not.

Understand this, Littlefinger. If you're not afraid now, you will be if the parties merge (and unfortunately, that's a big if.)

I can see it right now. The party will immediately skyrocket in the polls to something we have not seen by any party but the Liberals in the past 10 years. Bay Street will send them hordes of money, they will have pre-election TV ads, fresh from a leadership race, excellent candidates in every riding, everything.

The momentum would be there, Canadians would be excited about getting rid of the Liberals.

There is nothing that can go wrong with this merger. If the two-parties merge, they will get the votes. And that will lead to a Conservative government, or at the very least, a Liberal minority.

You are forgetting about one not-so-little thing...

...the media.

The conservative message will first be filitered through the CBC, The Toronto Star, The Globe and Mail, etc..

Even if a merger does come to fruition, it will be a serious uphill battle for any conservative party to form government against this foe.

Liberals/socialists know they can afford to be smug as they control the important mediums of information.

Although, they don't control the internet, Joe Lunchbox does not surf the net for political insight.

[westcoast99]

CBC is not left-wing biased. They and CTV are the 2 reliable news providers in this country.

Edited August 11, 2015 by Gugsy