Un-Canadian beer advertising

[Leafless]

Article: Ottawa Citizen, Tues. August 8, 2006, Pg.A1

Title: "Labatt 'Bleue' sales pitch taps Quebeckers pride"

This article is basically devoted to Labatt Blue Quebec beer drinking nationalist.

It uses the slogan "Proud to be Blue" and has different messages for different 'regions' in Quebec.

The ads in Gatineau Quebec, across the river from Ottawa, Ontario use the slogan "L'Outaouais, le bon bord de la riviere" which translates loosely " The Outaouais region. The right side of the river." This is meant to suggest (I don't know how) "Quebecers are better party animals than their neighbors in Ontario."

This is supposed to be tongue and cheek advertising says the article but I think this also carries a political message.

It should be noted that that the Labatt Blue label in the ROC carries a maple leaf while the Quebec version carries a symbol similar to the 'Fleur de Lise'.

Is this type of advertising good for national unity or does it in fact contribute and further promotes Quebec nationalism?

What do you think?

[Charles Anthony]

Is this type of advertising good for national unity or does it in fact contribute and further promotes Quebec nationalism?

I think it is good for Quebec nationalism.

I also think it might be good for Quebec sales.

If a private advertizing company can sway a population's common political opinion, maybe federalists should develop an advertizing program of their own to counter it. I am sure that Canadians would be happy to send their taxes to fund such advertizement contracts.

As an aside:

Can the Labatt Bleue corporation (or any corporation for that matter) run as a political party? with their own candidates?

Analogous to their last mock federal election advertizement campaign, can they do that for real?

[Leafless]

Is this type of advertising good for national unity or does it in fact contribute and further promotes Quebec nationalism?

I think it is good for Quebec nationalism.

Does this mean it's unmoral?

[Charles Anthony]

Does this mean it's unmoral?

No. Not in my opinion.

[Leafless]

Does this mean it's unmoral?

No. Not in my opinion.

Then you are contributing to and advocating separatism.

Hope you enjoy your 'BLEUE' and hope you know it's brewed London,Ontario land of the Anglais.

[Charles Anthony]

Does this mean it's unmoral?

No. Not in my opinion.

Then you are contributing to and advocating separatism.

Actually, you are correct on both counts.

However, I do not contribute in anyway that is explained in this thread. You just made a lucky guess. In fact, I contribute in a more direct way but there is nothing in this thread that suggests that.

Hope you enjoy your 'BLEUE'

Actually, I do not anymore. I did before but now I am full.

hope you know it's brewed London,Ontario land of the Anglais.

Why should I (or any non-racist) care?

Most of what I consume on a daily basis is the product of slave labor and human rights abuse in third world countries under conditions that nobody can even imagine. Why would I feel compassion or responsibility for an affluent and luxurious industry like beer?

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What is moral about Canadian federalism that makes Quebec separation immoral???????????

[Leafless]

hope you know it's brewed London,Ontario land of the Anglais.

Why should I (or any non-racist) care?

Most of what I consume on a daily basis is the product of slave labor and human rights abuse in third world countries under conditions that nobody can even imagine. Why would I feel compassion or responsibility for an affluent and luxurious industry like beer?

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What is moral about Canadian federalism that makes Quebec separation immoral???????????

What does racist have to do with anything of course if your implying that Quebecers who support Quebec nationalism are racist by definiton since they will consume only Quebec products by nature.

If you are a Quebecer loyal to Quebec nationalism by all rights you would or should be drinking a brew made in Quebec.

You ask what is moral about Canadian federalism that makes Quebec separation immoral?

Well in this case when you speak of morals we are talking about conforming to accepted standards on a NATIONAL level pertaining to the country of CANADA.

Quebec being one of ten provinces and to consider or promote separatism is directly showing treachery and disloyality to the country of Canada therefore making Quebec no longer accepting Canadian standards relating to national unity and therefore would be or is unmoral.

[Charles Anthony]

You ask what is moral about Canadian federalism that makes Quebec separation immoral?

Yes. You brought up the issue of morality. I see them as both the same on the scale of morality. I want to hear your explanation of morality as it pertains to nationality.

Quebec being one of ten provinces and to consider or promote separatism is directly showing treachery and disloyality to the country of Canada therefore making Quebec no longer accepting Canadian standards relating to national unity and therefore would be or is unmoral.

What does morality have to do with loyalty to Canada? Loyalty to any country has nothing to do with morality -- it is just a personal preference. Just like favorite colors and your birthday, there is no morality involved.

What does racist have to do with anything of course if your implying that Quebecers who support Quebec nationalism are racist by definiton since they will consume only Quebec products by nature.

I am not implying that at all.

You state that somebody in Quebec should consume products made in Quebec. That is racist because it imposes something upon a person based on their demographics -- not on their personal merits.

Not only is it racist but worse: it is highly ridiculous. Does EVERYTHING that you consume come from where you live??? You never consume imports???? Even if you did consume imports, what is wrong with consuming imports?? He have to!

If you are a Quebecer loyal to Quebec nationalism by all rights you would or should be drinking a brew made in Quebec.

Should a Canadian loyal to Canada only consume beer made in Canada???? How ridiculous can this line of reasoning get???

[Leafless]

You ask what is moral about Canadian federalism that makes Quebec separation immoral?

Yes. You brought up the issue of morality. I see them as both the same on the scale of morality. I want to hear your explanation of morality as it pertains to nationality.

I gave it to you in the preceeding post pertaining to nationlism NOT nationality.

Morals differentuates between good and bad.

It is the second definiton of 'moral' and that is: " concerned with accepted rules and standards of human behavior" in this case 'human behavior in a country'.

When applied to nationalism one could ask is it moral for a province to separate. The normal response as it is not part of the Constitution would be 'no it would be unmoral'.

In other words 'yes it would be bad to 'separate'.

[Leafless]

Quebec being one of ten provinces and to consider or promote separatism is directly showing treachery and disloyality to the country of Canada therefore making Quebec no longer accepting Canadian standards relating to national unity and therefore would be or is unmoral.

What does morality have to do with loyalty to Canada? Loyalty to any country has nothing to do with morality -- it is just a personal preference. Just like favorite colors and your birthday, there is no morality involved.

You are not accepting to the standards of the majority based on human behavior within a civilized country with a Constitution.

Then you tell me what the definition of a traitor is????

[Leafless]

What does racist have to do with anything of course if your implying that Quebecers who support Quebec nationalism are racist by definiton since they will consume only Quebec products by nature.

I am not implying that at all.

You state that somebody in Quebec should consume products made in Quebec. That is racist because it imposes something upon a person based on their demographics -- not on their personal merits.

Not only is it racist but worse: it is highly ridiculous. Does EVERYTHING that you consume come from where you live??? You never consume imports???? Even if you did consume imports, what is wrong with consuming imports?? He have to!

What I am saying pertaining to Quebec that they are a very nationalistic province and are 'protectionist' of the products produced in Quebec.

Normally, maybe some Quebecers are not even aware that when they buy products there as many products produced in Quebec on the shelfs of stores as possible. Quebec does not like to IMPORT good from other provinces.

A lot of Quebecers support this notion and buy only made in Quebec products. If you are not aware of this then you must be unfamiliar with the ways of Quebecers or new to the province.

What do think Quebec nationalism is applied to only politics???

[Leafless]

If you are a Quebecer loyal to Quebec nationalism by all rights you would or should be drinking a brew made in Quebec.

Should a Canadian loyal to Canada only consume beer made in Canada???? How ridiculous can this line of reasoning get???

Most Canadians in the ROC are loyal to Canada as a country but are not nearly as nationalistic in a provincial way as Quebecers are to their province many of who consider Quebec a country. This is why many Quebecers do buy only Quebec manufactured items as it supports Quebec nationalism.

Other provinces in Canada don't consider their province a country and are not preturbed by buying goods made anywhere in Canada or the world.

But pertaining to loyality to ones country, it is always better to purchase Canadian made manufactured or grown produce or goods to support Canadian workers if possible.

[Charles Anthony]

You are not accepting to the standards of the majority based on human behavior within a civilized country with a Constitution.

Then you tell me what the definition of a traitor is????

A traitor is a person who refuses to bow down and lick a statist's tail.

[Leafless]

You are not accepting to the standards of the majority based on human behavior within a civilized country with a Constitution.

Then you tell me what the definition of a traitor is????

A traitor is a person who refuses to bow down and lick a statist's tail.

I gather your not a federalist.

Perhaps Cuba is more along your line.

[Charles Anthony]

Perhaps Cuba is more along your line.

Wrong guess.

An independent Quebec is more along my line -- but I suppose that would be too logical particularly in this thread.

[GostHacked]

Is this type of advertising good for national unity or does it in fact contribute and further promotes Quebec nationalism?

I think it is good for Quebec nationalism.

I also think it might be good for Quebec sales.

If a private advertizing company can sway a population's common political opinion, maybe federalists should develop an advertizing program of their own to counter it. I am sure that Canadians would be happy to send their taxes to fund such advertizement contracts.

As an aside:

Can the Labatt Bleue corporation (or any corporation for that matter) run as a political party? with their own candidates?

Analogous to their last mock federal election advertizement campaign, can they do that for real?

They have lobbyists? Not quite as good as an elected leader, but it is a start

[Leafless]

Perhaps Cuba is more along your line.

Wrong guess.

An independent Quebec is more along my line -- but I suppose that would be too logical particularly in this thread.

But in the meantime you consider it o.k. to lick the tail of a statist.

Don't you guys have any principle's.

[Charles Anthony]

Don't you guys have any principle's.

We of no principles drink imported beer.