Goober National Posted June 21 Report Posted June 21 There have been, unfortunately, many genocides in human history. Reading my book "Chronicle of World History", it seems that every page is a story about wars and bloodshed. There are too many massacres to list, in our past. Here is a very short list: 13th century Mongol conquests Spanish conquests 15th century Transatlantic slave trade, 16-19th Nazi Holocaust Conquest of the Americas, 16th -19th century and many more. In fact it's difficult to pick out one people or group that never committed what we call murderous genocidal crimes today. Should today's people be held accountable for this, and if so to what extent. How far back does it go. My view is yes to some extent. The problem is How and what does it even mean to be accountable. There is "helping", and then there's unhelping. Unhelping is like, giving $20 to a destitute vagrant, so you can feel like you gave directly to them, not through a charity. Wrong, wrong. We in Canada have built a system that embodies values of fairness and equality, and quite a lot of tax money being spent on solving the native crisis, and yet their provlems continue. To me the real "systemic" racism is not at what you might think to be the "system" at all, but in each one of us. Natives themselves included. Quote
Army Guy Posted June 21 Report Posted June 21 7 hours ago, Goober National said: There have been, unfortunately, many genocides in human history. Reading my book "Chronicle of World History", it seems that every page is a story about wars and bloodshed. There are too many massacres to list, in our past. Here is a very short list: 13th century Mongol conquests Spanish conquests 15th century Transatlantic slave trade, 16-19th Nazi Holocaust Conquest of the Americas, 16th -19th century and many more. In fact it's difficult to pick out one people or group that never committed what we call murderous genocidal crimes today. Should today's people be held accountable for this, and if so to what extent. How far back does it go. My view is yes to some extent. The problem is How and what does it even mean to be accountable. There is "helping", and then there's unhelping. Unhelping is like, giving $20 to a destitute vagrant, so you can feel like you gave directly to them, not through a charity. Wrong, wrong. We in Canada have built a system that embodies values of fairness and equality, and quite a lot of tax money being spent on solving the native crisis, and yet their provlems continue. To me the real "systemic" racism is not at what you might think to be the "system" at all, but in each one of us. Natives themselves included. You ask if todays people should be held responsible for things that happened in the past....I think that's more DEI coming out of the left.... Should a son be response for his fathers crimes or short coming.....So why would we ask others generations far removed from these crimes, to pay or suffer the consequences of things that they had nothing to do with....and if we had this crazy idea of paying reparations to anyone, Who gets it, take trans Atlantic slave trade for instance...Do we give reparations to only African Americans or anyone taken slaves....I think your opening up a can of worms here....and how far do we go back....like you said man has a very violent past , present and future....i think eventual everyone will owe someone something... I think it would be a more productive exercise if we discovered how to solve our problems with out violence... Canada pretends it was built upon those values you mention, but far from it, we don't practice what we preach...Canada has a long history of being warriors....Many of the Geneva conventions that are written today were based on Canada's soldiers actions during WWI...Nothing fair or equal is based on our military history...which is a large part of what Canada is as a nation...at least according to the myth of we became a nation on Vimy ridge...this is just one example, another would be how we have treated our indigenous population, nothing in that whole affair spells out fairness, or equality...days ago our government decided that the right to clean drinking water is no longer a right for indigenous people...Not sure how you can square that round holier that we are a fair and equal nation with values and morals to match... You are right it is up to all of us, including indigenous peoples to climb out of this hole we have dug...but i don't see us doing that for generations to come...we don't need to find those responsible , what we need to do is learn from our mistakes and move on....reparations are a joke...unless those responsible are still alive... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Nationalist Posted June 22 Report Posted June 22 Its way past time for the natives to be Canadian, or perish in the woods. The very idea that Canada cant build pipelines because a band of natives dont like it, is both irresponsible and 1diotic. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
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