When should America lift tariff on Norther America?

[SpankyMcFarland]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You mean like a proctologist? I hear they make good money  

But I love that you think all farmers are covered in dung all day

We have special programs for temporary agricultural workers. But in this day and age there are machines and there are Ways of doing things and if the staff wasn't available farmers would be forced to adopt them. And in the long run it would actually save money

Absolutely untrue. Canada we produce more than enough milk for our own needs without that kind of nonsense. And if you remove the government subsidies on milk production in the united states our costs are not significantly higher if we were operating under the same rules they were

I mean this is the same argument that cotton farmers made with regards to slaves back in the day

So I'm sorry but I complete swing and a miss.

You're literally arguing that America specifically and presumably Canada by extension requires the use of slave labor to survive. That is not true.

 

So abruptly cutting the work force by roughly half, maybe more, would not affect the price of the product or the amount produced at all? That’s a novel economic theory. Very novel. Could you manage this in other industries too? 

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A Wisconsin dairy farmer told CBS News last month that about 90% of the work on the farm is done by immigrants. 

"If I hired Americans to do the work, I would have to pay probably about $100,000 a year per person, and they would only work maybe 40-50 hours a week at that rate," farmer John Rosenow said. "Clearly, I couldn't be able to afford to pay Americans as much as they want."

Says Castro, "It's about working hard. These people, wake up, two o'clock in the morning, one o'clock in the morning, they go out. You know, they finish around 11, 10 at night. The milk doesn't stop. It doesn't stop." 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-dairy-trucking-industry-relies-on-immigrant-labor/

 

 

Edited yesterday at 04:12 AM by SpankyMcFarland

[John Johnston]

I would love to see MAGA kids out in the fields working or doing actual real work. Might be good for the entitled little shits. 

[CdnFox]

11 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

So abruptly cutting the work force by roughly half, maybe more, would not affect the price of the product or the amount produced at all?

It's always easy to tell when you know you're in the wrong. You always try and change the argument to something that nobody said and in fact contradict something they do say.

I noted that there would be an adjustment time. I never suggested it should happen all in one day in an instant.

But because you know you're wrong you're trying to change the argument into being that's what I said.

I am in favor of a stoppage of new tfw workers being brought in, and phasing out the ones who are here as their terms expire. With possible exceptions for certain industries to allow for time to adjust etc

It will place hardships on those Industries but they will have to adjust.

11 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-dairy-trucking-industry-relies-on-immigrant-labor/

First off this is Canada. I know that's a problem for you liberals to accept and you want to try and pretend that Canada is identical to America when it suits you but it's not and this is Canada

Secondly while the person in the store you mentioned is originally an immigrant they are also citizen and have fully immigrated. Not a Temporary foreign worker. Huge difference. Nobody suggesting that we should have zero immigration

Once again you know you're wrong so you're trying to shift the focus from the original discussion to something else that you feel you have a better chance of defending.

 

[paxamericana]

22 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You're literally arguing that America specifically and presumably Canada by extension requires the use of slave labor to survive. That is not true.

I actually played around with the idea of enslaving Canadians but found out that it wouldn't work, they're too unproductive, it's economically easier buying automation.

Edited yesterday at 03:50 PM by paxamericana

[SpankyMcFarland]

54 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It's always easy to tell when you know you're in the wrong. You always try and change the argument to something that nobody said and in fact contradict something they do say.

I noted that there would be an adjustment time. I never suggested it should happen all in one day in an instant.

But because you know you're wrong you're trying to change the argument into being that's what I said.

I am in favor of a stoppage of new tfw workers being brought in, and phasing out the ones who are here as their terms expire. With possible exceptions for certain industries to allow for time to adjust etc

It will place hardships on those Industries but they will have to adjust.

First off this is Canada. I know that's a problem for you liberals to accept and you want to try and pretend that Canada is identical to America when it suits you but it's not and this is Canada

Secondly while the person in the store you mentioned is originally an immigrant they are also citizen and have fully immigrated. Not a Temporary foreign worker. Huge difference. Nobody suggesting that we should have zero immigration

Once again you know you're wrong so you're trying to shift the focus from the original discussion to something else that you feel you have a better chance of defending.

 

I’m talking about America, not Canada, so let’s remove that red herring. What argument am I changing? Take a year or two to find Americans to replace all those dairy workers. As the farmers who employ them point out, you won’t do it at anything near the same price. This should be obvious to anybody. It’s why so many undocumented workers are employed by US dairy farms in the first place. Meanwhile, why should Canadian farmers have to compete with an illegally produced American product? 

Edited yesterday at 04:43 PM by SpankyMcFarland

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, paxamericana said:

I actually played around with the idea of enslaving Canadians but found out that it wouldn't work, they're too unproductive, it's economically easier buying automation.

You couldn't afford us biatch   

[paxamericana]

17 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You couldn't afford us

No, It’s cheaper to use robots than Canadians slave labor. Your industry are non competitive and your pensioner are a drain on public resources for future development. 

Edited 9 hours ago by paxamericana