BeaverFever Posted May 22 Report Posted May 22 US ‘lost half of its interceptor missiles’ defending Israel from Iran Swift depletion is raising concerns about the US’s ability to defend against other military threats “The US has reportedly depleted half of its stock of anti-ballistic missiles defending Israel from Iranian attacks. Assessments by the US department of defence have raised concerns about the US’s ability to respond to other potential military threats, according to a report by The Washington Post, as the toll of Donald Trump’s war with Iran continues to grow. In its defence of Israel, the US has launched roughly half of its total inventory of the anti-ballistic missiles known as Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) interceptors, the report said, citing multiple anonymous US officials.” Excerpt From “US ‘lost half of its interceptor missiles’ defending Israel from Iran” Ben Stockton The Telegraph https://apple.news/AP_uvJgfQTXqmqsfMtqBQGg This material may be protected by copyright. Quote
John Stone Posted May 22 Report Posted May 22 (edited) Iran is sucking the US arsenal dry. ........................ yeah, interceptors worth 30 million to take down a 20K drone will do that to ya. Ukraine has basically made anything that moves a target - rewritten the laws of war. If it moves, ya see it, if u see it, u can hit it, if u hit it, u can destroy it. Hundreds of drones are attacking strategic targets in Moscow. Russia on the other hand is employing terror tactics attacking daycare, hospitals, apartments, etc. But the real strategic struggle is in the Pacific - if China takes Taiwan - the US is finished as a global power. Trump is SUCH a fool. Edited May 22 by John Stone Quote
BeaverFever Posted May 22 Author Report Posted May 22 Nobody has done more for Putin and China than Trump. Hes the gift that keeps on giving Quote
User Posted May 22 Report Posted May 22 13 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Nobody has done more for Putin and China than Trump. Hes the gift that keeps on giving Interesting. I didn’t realize Putin and China had such a vested interest in seeing Iran military obliterated, navy sunk, nuclear program destroyed, and the terror proxies of Iran cut off and severely crippled through attacks as well. I mean, I guess if we had those shared interests, great! Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted May 23 Report Posted May 23 (edited) The way this has turned out must be a wake-up call for the US. The Americans were unable to defend their Gulf allies and shipping against Iranian attack. It turns out that the scale of the assault is what mattered. If the future of Taiwan depends on which side can produce the greater volume of war’s new machines, I’m afraid its fate may already be sealed which would be very bad news for the West. When it comes to fighting the Shaheds in a cost-effective manner, we have one country that stands above everyone else at the moment. Ukraine has vital expertise here that we all should be tapping into. Edited May 23 by SpankyMcFarland Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
User Posted May 23 Report Posted May 23 2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: The way this has turned out must be a wake-up call for the US. The Americans were unable to defend their Gulf allies and shipping against Iranian attack. It turns out that the scale of the assault is what mattered. If the future of Taiwan depends on which side can produce the greater volume of war’s new machines, I’m afraid its fate may already be sealed which would be very bad news for the West. When it comes to fighting the Shaheds in a cost-effective manner, we have one country that stands above everyone else at the moment. Ukraine has vital expertise here that we all should be tapping into. Of course drone warfare has been a wake-up call. Not just for the US, but it should be for every modern military force. What do you mean Americans were unable to defend our Gulf allies? We have been selling them and helping them with missile and air defense systems for decades as well as helping them as Iran was attacking them. You seem to be expecting perfection when no such thing exists in war. Of course, they were not perfectly protected. No nation has the capability of perfectly protecting themselves or their infrastructure. Hell, even Israel with as many layers of missile defense as they have and this thread is crying about us helping them with, could not perfectly defend themselves. You sit here bragging about Ukraine when they are not even capable of perfectly defending themselves either. They certainly have a wealth of experience to share... but they have been ground down for years by Russia losing vast amounts of men and equipment... and they still are. About the only consistent theme you and others seem to have going here is making whatever arguments you can to dog on the US. So what country are you from and WTF are they doing about anything in the world right now? Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted May 23 Report Posted May 23 33 minutes ago, User said: Of course drone warfare has been a wake-up call. Not just for the US, but it should be for every modern military force. What do you mean Americans were unable to defend our Gulf allies? We have been selling them and helping them with missile and air defense systems for decades as well as helping them as Iran was attacking them. You seem to be expecting perfection when no such thing exists in war. Of course, they were not perfectly protected. No nation has the capability of perfectly protecting themselves or their infrastructure. Hell, even Israel with as many layers of missile defense as they have and this thread is crying about us helping them with, could not perfectly defend themselves. You sit here bragging about Ukraine when they are not even capable of perfectly defending themselves either. They certainly have a wealth of experience to share... but they have been ground down for years by Russia losing vast amounts of men and equipment... and they still are. About the only consistent theme you and others seem to have going here is making whatever arguments you can to dog on the US. So what country are you from and WTF are they doing about anything in the world right now? Criticism is merited here. Concealing the truth does not help the US. America underestimated the damage Iran could inflict on the Gulf states and that was a key factor in this war. Given the vast difference in capability, I would expect the US to be far better able to do this job against a barely viable state like Iran than Ukraine is against a former superpower whose army is within its very borders. Imagine what the Ukrainian army could achieve against drone and missile attack if supplied with greater resources. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
User Posted May 23 Report Posted May 23 (edited) 18 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Criticism is merited here. Concealing the truth does not help the US. America underestimated the damage Iran could inflict on the Gulf states and that was a key factor in this war. Given the vast difference in capability, I would expect the US to be far better able to do this job against a barely viable state like Iran than Ukraine is against a former superpower whose army is within its very borders. Imagine what the Ukrainian army could achieve against drone and missile attack if supplied with greater resources. Barely viable state? For as much as you sit here wanting to criticize the US and say they deserve it you sit here woefully downplaying Iran. They have been sinking vast amounts of their nation's wealth into fortifying underground bunkers full of missiles and drones. They are not barely a viable state; they have been a major regional power and threat to the region for decades. The issue is not mere criticism; it is your wild characterizations. The US has obliterated much of Iran's military infrastructure. Within the first week, we had complete air superiority over Iran, destroying targets at will. We have sunk almost their entire navy. These are things Ukraine could only dream of right now. Yet you sit here romanticizing them as if America is abysmal and they are so amazing. They are amazing BECAUSE we and NATO countries have been pouring hundreds of billions of dollars into their country to help them fight the war. Edited May 23 by User Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted May 23 Report Posted May 23 18 minutes ago, User said: Barely viable state? For as much as you sit here wanting to criticize the US and say they deserve it you sit here woefully downplaying Iran. They have been sinking vast amounts of their nation's wealth into fortifying underground bunkers full of missiles and drones. They are not barely a viable state; they have been a major regional power and threat to the region for decades. The issue is not mere criticism; it is your wild characterizations. The US has obliterated much of Iran's military infrastructure. Within the first week, we had complete air superiority over Iran, destroying targets at will. We have sunk almost their entire navy. These are things Ukraine could only dream of right now. Yet you sit here romanticizing them as if America is abysmal and they are so amazing. They are amazing BECAUSE we and NATO countries have been pouring hundreds of billions of dollars into their country to help them fight the war. Romanticizing? What are you talking about? The defence of the Gulf states was inadequate. That’s a simple fact. America and the West in general have been able to been watch a new form of warfare taking shape in Eastern Europe for years now but have failed to respond adequately. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
User Posted May 23 Report Posted May 23 4 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Romanticizing? What are you talking about? The defence of the Gulf states was inadequate. That’s a simple fact. America and the West in general have been able to been watch a new form of warfare taking shape in Eastern Europe for years now but have failed to respond adequately. I am talking about how you can't help but brag about and inflate what Ukraine is doing to some absurdity over America. Define your standards for adequate. That is a subjective position, not a fact. Ukraine can't even keep up because even drone warfare continues to evolve constantly. The nature of drone warfare has and continues to evolve. There is no "adequate" even now for Ukraine, whatever you want to define it as. I already said of course the US and other modern militaries need to do more... we always need to do more, but such massive scales of warfare take time and the US has been shifting its focus the last couple of years to develop and deploy more of this technology and we did so against Iran. You continue to have some absurd idea that perfection is the only standard and the US can't sit around and not act while we wait for a standard of "adequate" that will never come. Quote
BeaverFever Posted May 24 Author Report Posted May 24 Is Trump sabotaging Europe’s rearmament? The Continent’s strategic dependence has become its greatest liability “Donald Trump demanded that Europe buy American weapons to secure its own defence, but a new war in the Middle East has left those allies at the back of the queue. With the Pentagon prioritising its own depleted stockpiles and fast-tracking emergency orders for Gulf allies, billions of dollars in European defence contracts are now effectively frozen. For countries like Germany, waiting times for critical missiles have stretched to years, exposing the vulnerability of relying entirely on a transactional superpower. Mark Urban argues that Europe’s strategic dependence has become its greatest liability. Produced by Kasia Sobocinska” Excerpt From “Is Trump sabotaging Europe’s rearmament?” The Times of London https://apple.news/Aes48aW_CSESsqZJyjHQLWQ This material may be protected by copyright. Quote
BeaverFever Posted May 24 Author Report Posted May 24 Just now, BeaverFever said: Is Trump sabotaging Europe’s rearmament? The Continent’s strategic dependence has become its greatest liability “Donald Trump demanded that Europe buy American weapons to secure its own defence, but a new war in the Middle East has left those allies at the back of the queue. With the Pentagon prioritising its own depleted stockpiles and fast-tracking emergency orders for Gulf allies, billions of dollars in European defence contracts are now effectively frozen. For countries like Germany, waiting times for critical missiles have stretched to years, exposing the vulnerability of relying entirely on a transactional superpower. Mark Urban argues that Europe’s strategic dependence has become its greatest liability. Produced by Kasia Sobocinska” Excerpt From “Is Trump sabotaging Europe’s rearmament?” The Times of London https://apple.news/Aes48aW_CSESsqZJyjHQLWQ This material may be protected by copyright. So it will take US arms makers up to FOUR YEARS to replenish the munitions Trump and the Gulf States have expended in this folly, and all other other countries who made the mistake of ordering US arms have been now been sent to the back of the line. All the more reason not to buy US weapons Quote
Deluge Posted May 24 Report Posted May 24 On 5/22/2026 at 9:17 AM, BeaverFever said: Nobody has done more for Putin and China than Trump. Hes the gift that keeps on giving Beave and the rest of the leftoids are pissed off because Trump isn't putting America first - oh, wait.... Quote
User Posted May 24 Report Posted May 24 4 hours ago, BeaverFever said: So it will take US arms makers up to FOUR YEARS to replenish the munitions Trump and the Gulf States have expended in this folly, and all other other countries who made the mistake of ordering US arms have been now been sent to the back of the line. All the more reason not to buy US weapons Oh look, the cowardly liar is back to irrationally hate on Trump and America again. What is Canadas big plan to defend Taiwan? Quote
BeaverFever Posted May 26 Author Report Posted May 26 (edited) On 5/24/2026 at 1:42 PM, User said: What is Canadas big plan to defend Taiwan? So you have no rebuttal as usual, just generic lame insults. LOL what is Trump’s big plan? He seems willing to sell them out to please China. At least after he’s fleeced them for all the protection money they have to offer. TBH, I don’t really blame Trump I wouldn’t support Canadians dying to defend Taiwan either. Even USA doesn’t recognize Taiwan as an independent country. Almost nobody recognizes Taiwan it was a recognized as part of China before the communists took over the mainland and since Nixon the Republican recognized the communist regime in 1972 while still pledging to defend Taiwan it’s been stuck in limbo with no real defensible status. Not really a cause worth dying for IMO Edited May 26 by BeaverFever 1 Quote
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