Charges laid in Boxing Day shooting

[geoffrey]

No one would get funding for such a study Myata... and if they found what I expect to be the results, they be unlikely to get funding for anything ever again.

[myata]

Now, here's a fact: crime rate is consistently going down across Canada (Stat Canada site); so, things can't be so terribly worse than they used to be of old;

Now, I'm not saying all is nice and well; I agree that braze violent crime, especially gun crime including illegal posession should receive more severe and more importantly, persistent, prosecution; but to blame a problem that isn't very well defined and understood, on a particular ethnic group, or groups, without evidence, just isn't right (and also counter productive).

BTW I think I heard on the radio that a police program to record ethnic statistics has been reestablished (I missed which province / municipality it was, Kingston?). Collecting such stats may give grounds for interesting, and meaningful analysis in the futute.

[mikedavid00]

Now all we need is proof. Numerical, statistical proof that crime rate in ethnic communities,

That's already been proven 2 years back. It was something like 93% of alll the gun murders in Toronto were from Blacks of mostly caribean descent.

[myata]

You mean, proven because you say so? I'm so impressed!

[mikedavid00]

You mean, proven because you say so? Very impressive!

http://www.fradical.com/Rap_contributes_to...to_violence.htm

" In fact, the word "Jamaica" can't be found in any of these penetrating analyses, even though police will tell you off the record that 80 per cent or more of the city's gun crime is Jamaican-related."

[myata]

I'm not a faint-hearted leftie and if it were to be so, it should be brough out into the open and dealt with promptly and with adequate force. However, it's even more important to base our assumptions and actions on facts and not on perceptions.

[Argus]

It's not racist to say our crime is an ethnic problem, in Calgary anyways... it really is an ethnic problem. All of our gangs are Asian or black in descent. I don't see white people out on 7th ave and 10 street cooking up heroin in big glasses to shoot up in what I've described as a drive-thru.

Now all we need is proof. Numerical, statistical proof that crime rate in ethnic communities, per capita, is significantly higher than in the local population. Please note that without such evidence your statement does border on hardcore racism (i.e they are for blame for all my problems).

That's nice. I love how all the lefties want "proof" even though it is the lefties who go into a screaming, howling hissy fit whenever any public agency tries to collect such statistics. Racial crime statistics are not permitted in Canada - except, for some reason, with regard to natives. Most jurisidctions refuse to collect any other kind of racial information because most municipal governments are controlled by squishy minded lefties.

[Argus]

I'm not a faint-hearted leftie and if it were to be so, it should be brough out into the open and dealt with promptly and with adequate force. However, it's even more important to base our assumptions and actions on facts and not on perceptions.

Macleans

[geoffrey]

That's a fantastic interview Argus, great perspective, thanks for posting it.

[myata]

Well you see there has to be a way to find out what's going on in reality. Just "some say it's 80% ... but no one knows for sure" isn't good enough. E.g. there're convictions, those should be on the record, at least for adults. I just can't see how any approach to any solution could even be discussed if all the information available is hearsay.

[Argus]

Well you see there has to be a way to find out what's going on in reality. Just "some say it's 80% ... but no one knows for sure" isn't good enough. E.g. there're convictions, those should be on the record, at least for adults. I just can't see how any approach to any solution could even be discussed if all the information available is hearsay.

I'm all for keeping race-based statistics, especially as related to immigrants, but the lefties won't hear of it. So all we have are groups, including black ones, including Liberal reporters like the one for Macleans, and of course, in the media, picture after picture of black face after black face as murder victim and murderer, black piimps paraded past the cameras, black robbery suspects being led into court in handcuffs, and ethnic names in the newspaper where no pictures are supplied. I did catch a writeup on a local Somali community centre here in Ottawa a year or so back, and the good work it does, lamenting (just by the by) the fact more than half of youths held in the regional detention centre were Somalian (something you would never read as a story unto itself). Any time you read about gangs of "youths" swarming people in the bus stations attacking people on buses everyone in ottawa knows their names are going to be Abdulah and Muhhamed, not Luc and Dave.

A division superintendant said some years ago (I think in 52 division toronto) that blacks made up 5% of the population in his area but were responsible for 90% of the crime, and almost all of that was Jamaican. That caused an uproar, of course, but it was directed at him for keeping statistics, not at the facts. No one really challenged the facts. The head of the Asian gang squad there also was harrassed out of his job for saying that almost all the Asian crime was from Vietnamese refugees we'd let into the country. The fact he was Asian was beside the point. He wasn't allowed to keep any statistics.

[mikedavid00]

That's a fantastic interview Argus, great perspective, thanks for posting it.

He gave good advice for any of our politicians:

"What you should do is take a look at what is working elsewhere and then see what applies to your particular situation."

Instead, we always get the new and wild 'idealisms' from our polticians.. If a kid drops out of school legally, lets... ummm.. i know, take away his drivers license that he is legally allowed to have! wow! great idea.

We don't need new idea's on how to fight crimes, homelessness, justice, and most importantly immigration - there are other places which already have systems in place that work.

They just need to govern on behalf of the people and stop dictating.

[mikedavid00]

Well you see there has to be a way to find out what's going on in reality. Just "some say it's 80% ... but no one knows for sure" isn't good enough. E.g. there're convictions, those should be on the record, at least for adults. I just can't see how any approach to any solution could even be discussed if all the information available is hearsay.

Are you serious?

I live in Toronto. It was there when this thing played out. Just a couple days back there were 3 murders. All black from what I understand. It's a fact that the shootings were coming from blacks. It was the topic of COUNTLESS discussions on all the call-in radio shows. They had a black city councellor saying that blacks should be racially profiled. There was a black lobby group saying that they should have seperate black schools because their treated unfair.

Then there was the black pastor that came from the USA to try and help us fix the problem.

Damn why are you being so dense???

Listen. Toronto is a city of immigrants, illegals, and visible minorities. We're talking 6 million poeple in the greater area. English in most of that area is a second language. You will hear almost any language but English.

If you are driving down the street and are in a lineup of cars at a red light, it's easy to look around and see that every person, in every car, is some sort of asian. Every person at every bus stop, walking on the street, and around in you in cars.

Until you actually come to the GTA and see this with your own eyes, then you'll always believe that 'nah, it can't possibly be blacks, nah, there's no such thing as REVERSE RACISM and oh believe me it exists in Toronto and it's probably the most prejudice, backwards, cold, and racist city in the world.

Old co-worker moved his family up from Montreal. He was an older french guy. His wife said that she didn't like Toronto because it was too... 'racist'. She said Montreal is multicultural, but toronto was like 'i'm not speaking to your or thank-you if you open the door for me becuase you are not of my ethnicity'.

[mikedavid00]

I did catch a writeup on a local Somali community centre here in Ottawa a year or so back, and the good work it does, lamenting (just by the by) the fact more than half of youths held in the regional detention centre were Somalian (something you would never read as a story unto itself). Any time you read about gangs of "youths" swarming people in the bus stations attacking people on buses everyone in ottawa knows their names are going to be Abdulah and Muhhamed, not Luc and Dave.

I grew up in Ottawa and moved to GTA 2.5 years ago. Now I'm in Montreal for the week. I was speaking here with my fiances father last night (a 30 immigrant) and he actually recalled when all the samoli stuff went down in Ottawa. He remembers the whole thing. He said that the issue became too political so you don't here about it anymore. He said that there's more now than ever, they have more kids than every, and they are in Montreal now too but the media and news it's not socially acceptable to even talk about it so they just let the problem continue to happen.

When there kids got older and became teens in the 90's, there were bus swarmings. And then they would always be at clubs harasing women, and causing trouble. I've seen so many bouncers have to kick them out while they yell out 'you racist white..' bleep.

5 years back I was at Deny's in Hunt Club and this table of Samoli's starting throwing french fries at our table. It was hiting the side of my friend head and stuff. There was like 10 of them all speaking their sht language. I didn't even regard them as humans - just human trash in Canada that we are giving free money to.

It was that moment I wished I was in a state like Colorado and I could cary concealed.

I'm not trying to say that people from Calgary, Edmonton, Belville, and other small cities don't understand, but you really don't understand.

You don't know how it's like to have a proud and peaceful city, and heave these leech, scum sucking, welfare indolets come into your city in the 10,000's and litteraly ruin it.

You don't know it's like to grow up in Ottawa, have allmost no job prostpects except for the federal gov't, take out 10's of thousands of student loans, try your best, just to have some immigrant who struggles with his English skills come in from Toronto and take that precious Ottawa gov't job that you worked so hard all these years.

You don't know how it's like to litterally have 3 people a day asking directions on how to get around becuase they are 'new here'.

You don't know how it's like to sit in traffic and look around you and EVERY single person in eye sight it an immigrant. And I mean EVERY person, ever car around you, ever person on the street, everywhere. Most in old cars, many babies, everyone using the system, no English being spoken.

You don't know how it's like to drive on the way to work and each day see a big, fat flag of Trinidad waving tall and proud on a flag poll in someones backyard in view of a major street so he can show his pride.

You don't know how it's like to have to sit here in Montreal, and then 4 internation students come over, all looking for wives so they can stay in the country, and then sponsor in their relatives (they said this is why they like Canada), and then one of them talking about some aunt that came here to 'get a kidey'. (i'm absolute serious. I was going to make a post about this alone). Heheh.. one student was in the US for 5 years and got kicked out. He said that it wasn't good anywhere because it was TOO HARD to bring his parents and they WOULDN'T GET HEALTHCARE SO THEY CHOSE CANADA. Wow! great time I had last night pasting a grin on my face.

You don't know how it's like to have 5 years experience, superior english skills, and lose it to someone that has been in the country for 2 months just because he had a degree vs. a diploma (true story). That Canadian then stays unemployed and finally works a low wage crap job because his own field is too saturated with over qualified applicants who are being preferred over Canadians. (btw, that guy got fired because his english was so poor. HR hiring practices are another topic).

Until you actually come and experience the GTA for yourselves, you'll never fully really know what I'm talking about. Come to the GTA and try to enter school, live, and work there. You'll see how much you like it.

My best friend in Ottawa called it 'hell on earth'.

[betsy]

I did catch a writeup on a local Somali community centre here in Ottawa a year or so back, and the good work it does, lamenting (just by the by) the fact more than half of youths held in the regional detention centre were Somalian (something you would never read as a story unto itself). Any time you read about gangs of "youths" swarming people in the bus stations attacking people on buses everyone in ottawa knows their names are going to be Abdulah and Muhhamed, not Luc and Dave.

I grew up in Ottawa and moved to GTA 2.5 years ago. Now I'm in Montreal for the week. I was speaking here with my fiances father last night (a 30 immigrant) and he actually recalled when all the samoli stuff went down in Ottawa. He remembers the whole thing. He said that the issue became too political so you don't here about it anymore. He said that there's more now than ever, they have more kids than every, and they are in Montreal now too but the media and news it's not socially acceptable to even talk about it so they just let the problem continue to happen.

When there kids got older and became teens in the 90's, there were bus swarmings. And then they would always be at clubs harasing women, and causing trouble. I've seen so many bouncers have to kick them out while they yell out 'you racist white..' bleep.

5 years back I was at Deny's in Hunt Club and this table of Samoli's starting throwing french fries at our table. It was hiting the side of my friend head and stuff. There was like 10 of them all speaking their sht language. I didn't even regard them as humans - just human trash in Canada that we are giving free money to.

That problem with Somalians had started happening way back in the early 90's as far as I can remember.

My co-worker at the Civic Hospital would be griping to me as we work together. He was a young white dad and his neighborhood had suddenly been besieged by refugees/immigrants from Somalia. He did not have any problem with that...except that gangs were starting to form. Somalian youths in packs would intimidate whites....and he had to cross the street to avoid them. I could understand his anger. This was his neighborhood after all.

This guy is not a racist at all! I could vouch for that!

Canada should wake up and clean up its refugee/immigration policy. We can be humanitarian without having to trash our own house by allowing garbage to be brought in!

[myata]

Yesterday I went for a walk and there was that middle aged guy with several dogs walking them off leash.

One of them (rottveiler if I'm any good at telling dogs) started going at me then circling around barking like mad. Luckily for me there was an impressive stick lying around and I got hold of it till the owner come running and pulled off the dog. Do you think I got an apology? He was a white and middle aged guy. I got his license plate and if it ever happens again, he's going to talk to the police.

Is it a one time incident or do we have a "middle aged white people with dangerous animals" problem? Only unbiased data can tell. Without it, there's no point in discussing these issues because there's no line that can distinguish real problem from malicious hearsay (that can be coming from ignorance, personal problems, hatred, you name it).

[Argus]

Is it a one time incident or do we have a "middle aged white people with dangerous animals" problem? Only unbiased data can tell. Without it, there's no point in discussing these issues because there's no line that can distinguish real problem from malicious hearsay (that can be coming from ignorance, personal problems, hatred, you name it).

No one is suggesting there aren't idiot whites around, or white criminals, or white scumg. No one is really even talking about colour except you.

What people are saying is that when you import tens and hundreds of thousands of people from violent, failed cultures, you will be importing that violent, failed culture with them. And local people will die as a result. It's fine for the power brokers in their limosines to design immigration to appeal to specific voting blocks. They don't have to live with the result. The violent street crime which is driven largely by those same people the limosine liberals are bringing into Canada. In Ottawa it's Somalians, in Toronto, Jamaicans, in Montreal, Haitians, in Vancouver, Vietnamese and Chinese.

Canada should not be importing ANYONE from Jamaica, Somalia or Haiti, and we should be screening anyone from Vietnam or China with a fine-tooth comb. This is not racist. No one complains about Korean street gangs or vicious Cambodian drug dealers. It isn't gangs of Kenyans or Zambians swarming shoppers in transit stations. People don't lock their doors and set their burglar alarms out of fear of Argentinian or Portugese burglars.

[betsy]

Yesterday I went for a walk and there was that middle aged guy with several dogs walking them off leash.

One of them (rottveiler if I'm any good at telling dogs) started going at me then circling around barking like mad. Luckily for me there was an impressive stick lying around and I got hold of it till the owner come running and pulled off the dog. Do you think I got an apology? He was a white and middle aged guy. I got his license plate and if it ever happens again, he's going to talk to the police.

REGARDLESS OF HIS COLOUR, you should've called and lodged a complaint right there and then.

This man was letting a dog run around with no leash....and a rottweiller at that! Why would you wait for the "next time?" The next pedestrian might not be so lucky!

Anyway....do you mean you're angry because the owner is white? A guy? Middlle aged?

So....you also have something against gender and age?

[myata]

Well, I understand it's a bit too challenging to comprehend even a simple parallel when all we can do is to think in one line categories. That's the whole point. This kind of thinking should never be allowed to get anywhere near power controls. When it does (and did) the disaster is guaranteed.

[guyser]

[until you actually come and experience the GTA for yourselves, you'll never fully really know what I'm talking about. Come to the GTA and try to enter school, live, and work there. You'll see how much you like it.

My best friend in Ottawa called it 'hell on earth'.

When you have lived in this city for some time, when you have lived in and around this city, when and if you finally lose your intolerance to anything slightly different ....come back and post about the GTA.

I have no idea where this "GTA" you speak so horribly about is. Everyone around you at a light is an immigrant? Oh come on, that is ridiculous.

The people are cold here , I will give you that.

But I hear english all the time.

Your friend from Ottawa calls it hell on earth. Now THAT doesn't surprise me very much . My nieces in Ott say the same thing, and it is a shame that they haven't a clue what goes on here. And frankly, Ott is a beautiful city, visited countless times, and I would not be able to say much about the place, other than the Town that Fun Forgot .

Your true colours are coming through , and it borders on.....ummm......Oh I am sure you know.