Immigration Law Must Change

[mikedavid00]

Before you argue that these immigrants are "illegal", let me respond by saying that I don't care. We are talking about the real world.

Laughable. You are talking about illegals and refugees. You never answered the question.

Yes I am aware that the EU has this problem. Yes I am aware that the EU will be 10% Islamic by 2020. I know their problems very well.

But comparing that to us is apples and oranges. We are pretty much like Australia - nice and isolted from the third wold.

We are so fortunate to live far, far away from the 3rd world. Even the US can't say this.

We should be spoiled and enjoy a far, far, higher quality of life than we do. Look at where we are located, the resouces we have, the small size of our country.

Again though, you proved nothing. Countries let people in via work permits. Canada is amongst the only country that allow people to fill out an application, and then wander in from the airport with no job prospects. I wish other countries did this. If they did, I would have moved LONG ago!

[Charles Anthony]

Refugees should be kept in a detention center until their claim has been approved. It would probably cost more that just letting them go but it ensures they are available for deportation as soon as their appeals are exhausted. It also serves as a disincentive for economic migrates that try to use the refugee system as a back door. I can't imagine that anyone facing real persecution would complain about having to spend a few months in a Canadian detention center if that means they are safe from their persecutors.

Detention centers would not likely be accepted politically. As such, I will leave their advocacy to others. However, I can understand them.

If we had detention centers, where would they be? what would they be? a penitentiary? a concentration camp?

I would hope that Canadian citizens were permitted to freely visit these captive refugee claimants. Otherwise, I would distrust the refugee bureaucracy.

I agree with Aug1991 proposal:

I think too we should negotiate with the US a common visitor visa so that Canada and the US issue a single visitor visa to North America. This would improve US (and Canadian) security and solve many border issues.

Canadians should initiate a joint immigration/refugee policy. We will likely give up a lot of control to the Americans but such is life when you live in a big family.

CAVEAT ANARCHIUM:

If you let me indulge in an annoying and most likely a futile attempt to provide a different perspective, I want us to simply let absolutely anybody into the country. All tax-funded immigration/refugee "help" should be cancelled. The cancelled funds could be diverted into improving the justice/penal/security/law/policing "services" of Canada. Instead of one refugee-immigration-bureaucrat reading papers and listening to stories, put one more police officer on the street.

Unfortunately, my recommendation would certainly raise the ire of the David&Michaud gang but more importantly would not go over very well with our neighbors to the South with whom we have very little bargaining power.

[Remiel]

How exactly do you see integrating immigration with the Americans as making Canada a better country, August and Charles? How do you see it making Canada safer? There is no inherent protection against US lies and domineering in such a policy. Instead of complaining our laws are lax, they will complain our officials are lax, and we will end up with the same result we have now minus control of our own immigration policy. What is the point in negotiating with a US administration which we know does *everything* in bad faith, on such a policy?

[Charles Anthony]

Personally, I do not care if it makes Canada a better country. I do not think we have much choice. We must work and compromise with the Americans.

[Remiel]

" Better " I think was a poor qualifier on my part. " Benefit " would be more pertinent.

Perhaps we do need to compromise. But the keyword here is " compromise " . How do you propose we actually achieve a compromise instead of a capitulation?

[Charles Anthony]

I propose that we act diplomatically. Have you ever asked an American about the war of 1812? The Americans believe they won the war when WE clearly did.

Anyway, what is wrong with capitulation??? Why does it have to be an "us against them" attitude???

[Remiel]

The implication is that capitulation is unequal terms. In this case, a surrender of control in return for a benefit of lesser value.

Tell me, do you really want to give the Americans control over our immigration policy, or do you merely think we need to?

[mikedavid00]

Canadians should initiate a joint immigration/refugee policy. We will likely give up a lot of control to the Americans but such is life when you live in a big family.

That will be coming when we unionize with the US. The plans have been in the works for a long time.

I want us to simply let absolutely anybody into the country

And where would these poverty sricken people from the third world work?

Is this really ignatieff posting?

[mikedavid00]

How exactly do you see integrating immigration with the Americans as making Canada a better country

Because it will allow us to work in the US much easier. It will also destroy our current immigration system which id *deserprately* needed.

How do you see it making Canada safer?

The majority, or large portion of violent crimes in our cities are directly due to our lack of immigration policy.

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here is no inherent protection against US lies and domineering in such a policy. Instead of complaining our laws are lax, they will complain our officials are lax, and we will end up with the same result we have now minus control of our own immigration policy.

Holy Jeeze. FOR ONCE why don't you go look at their damn policy and see how it keep people OUT unless you have a company sponsor you in. The only people they are letting 'in' are mexicans because IMO they are needed.

What is the point in negotiating with a US administration which we know does *everything* in bad faith, on such a policy?

Holy jeeze. The US does thing for it's self interest. We are the ones that do things on idea's and faith like pixie fairies.

[mikedavid00]

Tell me, do you really want to give the Americans control over our immigration policy, or do you merely think we need to?

I want to, and think we need to.

If you still believe in our federal politicians, then there's no saving you.

[Remiel]

Did someone just say something, or was I hearing the wind?

[madmax]

That will be coming when we unionize with the US. The plans have been in the works for a long time.

Yes, I heard about that! War of 1812

Later settled with the FTA. Doesn't allow the flow of Labour though, sorry immigrants.

And where would these poverty sricken people from the third world work?

Whereever you won't?

That said, I have a different question.

Would you give up your citizenship if you were successful in emmigrating to the US?

[mikedavid00]

That will be coming when we unionize with the US. The plans have been in the works for a long time.

Yes, I heard about that! War of 1812

"The "plan to create" a North American Union in 2010 as a regional government—comprising a collective government for the United States, Canada, and Mexico—is "directly stated only" in the May 2005 task force report Building a North American Community published by the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Jerome Corsi wrote June 26, 2006. "

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title..._American_Union

Would you give up your citizenship if you were successful in emmigrating to the US?

Yes I would for sure if I was going to get citizenship in the US.

I don't believe in dual citizenship and would hold allegiance to my country and flag.