John Stone Posted April 20 Report Posted April 20 4 minutes ago, paxamericana said: What is that supposed to even mean???? You want a different way of walking!!!?? Reinvent the wheel? To do what? Another car that does the exact same thing your Yukon Denali already does? How about we use it to power up higher productivity improvements like AI. Anachronistic? Investing heavily in buggy whips? An increasing share of a shrinking market? In 2023, 96% of new solar and wind capacity globally had lower generation costs than using coal 4 minutes ago, paxamericana said: What is that supposed to even mean???? You want a different way of walking!!!?? Reinvent the wheel? To do what? Another car that does the exact same thing your Yukon Denali already does? How about we use it to power up higher productivity improvements like AI. Quote
paxamericana Posted April 20 Report Posted April 20 8 minutes ago, John Stone said: In 2023, 96% of new solar and wind capacity globally had lower generation costs than using coal Okay so why don’t we use that energy to support more Datacenters. A new car is not what we need right now. Quote
John Stone Posted April 20 Report Posted April 20 1 minute ago, paxamericana said: Okay so why don’t we use that energy to support more Datacenters. A new car is not what we need right now. .............. jobs? Transition to the future? Progress? Next generation? Quote
paxamericana Posted April 20 Report Posted April 20 (edited) 5 minutes ago, John Stone said: .............. jobs? Transition to the future? Progress? Next generation? You don’t need goverment incentives for that. The people that want to buy an EV can afford one. They can pay for their own infrastructure or drive their gas car if it doesn’t have the charging stations that’s available. And Electric Vehicles aren’t new. There’s a Ford Model T “EV” Edited April 20 by paxamericana Quote
John Stone Posted April 20 Report Posted April 20 3 minutes ago, paxamericana said: You don’t need goverment incentives for that. The people that want to buy an EV can afford one. They can pay for their own infrastructure or drive their gas car if it doesn’t have the charging stations that’s available. And Electric Vehicles aren’t new. There’s a Ford Model T “EV” .............. incentives increase sales......... visibility leads to more sales ................. snowballs? EV on the scale we're discussing are (is) new. I'm sure u know what sold the Model T? Globally the Chines keep driving the cost of production down based on volume sold globally Quote
paxamericana Posted April 20 Report Posted April 20 (edited) 17 minutes ago, John Stone said: .............. incentives increase sales......... visibility leads to more sales ................. snowballs? EV on the scale we're discussing are (is) new. I'm sure u know what sold the Model T? Globally the Chines keep driving the cost of production down based on volume sold globally Again my preposition isn’t against EV, it’s that we don’t need another car at the expense of other priorities. Don’t assume we have unlimited resources. For the reasons stated, I’m in favor of slow rolling EV. No government incentives needed. Edited April 20 by paxamericana Quote
John Stone Posted April 20 Report Posted April 20 (edited) 39 minutes ago, paxamericana said: Again my preposition isn’t against EV, it’s that we don’t need another car at the expense of other priorities. Don’t assume we have unlimited resources. For the reasons stated, I’m in favor of slow rolling EV. No government incentives needed. It's likely a mistake to simply think of it as a 'car'? It's more about the evolution of technology. I'd describe Trudeau as an idealist - on EV's, the door hit him on the a$$! Edited April 20 by John Stone Quote
paxamericana Posted April 20 Report Posted April 20 8 minutes ago, John Stone said: It's likely a mistake to simply think of it as a 'car'? It's more about the evolution of technology. It's a bigger mistake to invest in things we don't need. The next evolution of technology isn't going to come from something with four wheels. Now if you're arguing that EV are cheaper to own and potentially operate then why do you need goverment incentives LOL! The right minded people would adopt EV on their own without any incentives. Quote
John Stone Posted April 20 Report Posted April 20 (edited) 35 minutes ago, paxamericana said: It's a bigger mistake to invest in things we don't need. The next evolution of technology isn't going to come from something with four wheels. Now if you're arguing that EV are cheaper to own and potentially operate then why do you need goverment incentives LOL! The right minded people would adopt EV on their own without any incentives. I believe that EV should be part of the competitive market in ALL calculus; I don't believe in offering an unfair advantage to either the EV or the Dino-car in terms of purchase. Absurd to expect the guy fixing the Dino and the industry supporting same to be helping to finance the undercutting of their livelihood. On the other hand, a society doesn't want to get into the rut of good King Cnut the Great😄 in their opposition to science / technology. Edited April 20 by John Stone Quote
Army Guy Posted April 20 Author Report Posted April 20 On 4/14/2026 at 7:33 PM, LinkSoul60 said: Absolutely, let the market decide what they want to buy. An affordable Chinese built EV is going to appeal to a lot of people and create a price point that NA manufacturers will need to be at for competitiveness. Competition is a good thing, and so is the strategy to bring these in if Trump is hell bent on breaking our industry. That is the entire point, North America can not compete against anything made in China. second, China is one of the largest threats to Canada, underestimating this is to our peril, as we have seen with tariffs, election interference, Espionage, you name it the Chinese have their name attached to it...Mt question is WHY do we need their trade ? NA manufacturers can not compete against all the advantages China brings to the table...And NA consumers will flock to these cheaper vehicles, because they LOVE CHEAP Sh!T.. and saving good paying auto industry jobs is not even a thought for Canadian consumers ....Do you really think China wants to sell cheap cars because they like us, they want to destroy our current auto sector, they know what it is worth...They also know that once they gain access they will own it in short order.... You think the NA market can produce cars cheaper than what they do now....perhaps but once the profit margin is gone, they'll close up shop, and we will lose out on thousands of jobs....they'll just pack up and shut er down...and all we will be left with is expensive Chinese cars...they'll be making bils and you'll be wondering why your Chinese crap is not working well... When you have a auto sector already under siege, you don't put the final nail in the coffin....by introducing another hurdle for them to solve or compete against... Canadians might see a short term gain, with cheaper pricing but do you think that is going to last.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted April 20 Author Report Posted April 20 2 hours ago, John Stone said: .............. jobs? Transition to the future? Progress? Next generation? So where is Carneys plan to increase the infra structure to feed all these electrical items....where is the plan to build more nuke plants, Solar, wind, other clean energy ideas, update our electrical infra structure...we are not ready....not even close... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
LinkSoul60 Posted April 20 Report Posted April 20 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: That is the entire point, North America can not compete against anything made in China. second, China is one of the largest threats to Canada, underestimating this is to our peril, as we have seen with tariffs, election interference, Espionage, you name it the Chinese have their name attached to it...Mt question is WHY do we need their trade ? NA manufacturers can not compete against all the advantages China brings to the table...And NA consumers will flock to these cheaper vehicles, because they LOVE CHEAP Sh!T.. and saving good paying auto industry jobs is not even a thought for Canadian consumers ....Do you really think China wants to sell cheap cars because they like us, they want to destroy our current auto sector, they know what it is worth...They also know that once they gain access they will own it in short order.... You think the NA market can produce cars cheaper than what they do now....perhaps but once the profit margin is gone, they'll close up shop, and we will lose out on thousands of jobs....they'll just pack up and shut er down...and all we will be left with is expensive Chinese cars...they'll be making bils and you'll be wondering why your Chinese crap is not working well... When you have a auto sector already under siege, you don't put the final nail in the coffin....by introducing another hurdle for them to solve or compete against... Canadians might see a short term gain, with cheaper pricing but do you think that is going to last.... The price point has been established, and yes, NA auto companies can compete in that price range with their low-end EV's. You have a challenge keeping up with what's said... This isn't about building Chinese cars for the cheapest price possible, it's about learning from their technologies and if a Chinese vehicle were to be produced here, it would be with Canadian made parts and Canadian labor, and neither of which are cheap. Our auto sector has been under siege for 2 decades and going back to at least 2007 with capital spending in the auto sector collapsing then. We need to do something if we're going to remain relevant in auto manufacturing. The Canadian auto sector isn't under siege because of China, it's under siege because of the US. They obviously don't want us producing as we have so rather than your preferred plan of rolling over and saying uncle, we're trying a different route to keep people employed. 1 Quote
paxamericana Posted April 20 Report Posted April 20 (edited) 56 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: The Canadian auto sector isn't under siege because of China, it's under siege because of the US. They obviously don't want us producing as we have so rather than your preferred plan of rolling over and saying uncle, we're trying a different route to keep people employed. That’s not entirely accurate. We’re putting Canada on timeout and giving the business to the Mexican. Why? Because you’re all pigheaded and would rather be third world Americans than simply American. At which point we’ll come in and buy you out for pennies on the dollar anyways. So no rush Canucks be as obstinate as you want. Have it your way. Edited April 20 by paxamericana Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted April 20 Report Posted April 20 34 minutes ago, paxamericana said: That’s not entirely accurate. We’re putting Canada on timeout and giving the business to the Mexican. Why? Because you’re all pigheaded and would rather be third world Americans than simply American. At which point we’ll come in and buy you out for pennies on the dollar anyways. So no rush Canucks be as obstinate as you want. Have it your way. You need to pay better attention Uncle Sam... The US has the same 25% auto tariffs on Mexico that they do Canada, and like us Mexico has seen their auto industry significantly impacted. I'm not sure what you mean by 'pigheaded'... If the US doesn't want the NA auto sector to be as integrated as it is do you expect us to stand by watching people lose jobs. Not likely... Quote
Army Guy Posted April 21 Author Report Posted April 21 3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: The price point has been established, and yes, NA auto companies can compete in that price range with their low-end EV's. You have a challenge keeping up with what's said... This isn't about building Chinese cars for the cheapest price possible, it's about learning from their technologies and if a Chinese vehicle were to be produced here, it would be with Canadian made parts and Canadian labor, and neither of which are cheap. Our auto sector has been under siege for 2 decades and going back to at least 2007 with capital spending in the auto sector collapsing then. We need to do something if we're going to remain relevant in auto manufacturing. The Canadian auto sector isn't under siege because of China, it's under siege because of the US. They obviously don't want us producing as we have so rather than your preferred plan of rolling over and saying uncle, we're trying a different route to keep people employed. If the price point is the same, which it won't be...then why invite them into the NA market....to compete against the NA auto market... What could we possible learn from the Chinese EV that we don't already know...That would make all of this viable... So the Liberal answer is to bring in Chinese cars....Currently those cars are fully made in China....how does that help our auto sector...Plenty of other autos we could make from around the globe. You just said our auto sector has been under siege for decades, then blamed trump for all our problems , which one is it....And to be real it is their auto industry.... Canada does not have a national brand auto.... Do you think bringing in Chinese cars is going to look preferable when dealing with Cusma this summer....is it worth the possibility of having tariffs on everything...This is the hill you want to die on....one that will see Canada throw away 80 % of its trade to the US, because you want to stick it to trump over a few cars...Your the one that is not keeping up....we already know what Trump is capable of, and yet liberals continue to give him the finger every chance they get , and then act surprised when he does lose his sh!t, and then blame him for the whole mess.... You and others are pissed because Trump told us what to do, that it hurt your feelings, get over yourself........Finally someone from the US stood up to us for taking advantage of our neighbors down south, " how dare they make us pay for what we got for free"....According to the US Canada has not even been at the table for serious talks since Oct of 2025.....your excuse is we are not going to sign a bad deal...we don't even have a deal to start with, and this summer we might not even have a trading partner....or we have one that has tariffed everything....We need to stop half a$$es everything we do... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
paxamericana Posted April 21 Report Posted April 21 (edited) 2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: The US has the same 25% auto tariffs on Mexico that they do Canada, and like us Mexico has seen their auto industry significantly impacted. Yes part of our reshoring effort. And despite that businesses are still choosing to build in Mexico... You know why? Because Mexican labor is cheaper and more productive for mid skill labor like manufacturing. 2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: If the US doesn't want the NA auto sector to be as integrated as it is do you expect us to stand by watching people lose jobs. Not likely... No the plan was to leverage Canadian energy with material processing. And you had to go and elbows up eh? Still is the plan, we're just shifting that timeline to wait you all out. After third world Canada that is. Edited April 21 by paxamericana Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted April 21 Report Posted April 21 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: If the price point is the same, which it won't be...then why invite them into the NA market....to compete against the NA auto market... What could we possible learn from the Chinese EV that we don't already know...That would make all of this viable... So the Liberal answer is to bring in Chinese cars....Currently those cars are fully made in China....how does that help our auto sector...Plenty of other autos we could make from around the globe. You just said our auto sector has been under siege for decades, then blamed trump for all our problems , which one is it....And to be real it is their auto industry.... Canada does not have a national brand auto.... Do you think bringing in Chinese cars is going to look preferable when dealing with Cusma this summer....is it worth the possibility of having tariffs on everything...This is the hill you want to die on....one that will see Canada throw away 80 % of its trade to the US, because you want to stick it to trump over a few cars...Your the one that is not keeping up....we already know what Trump is capable of, and yet liberals continue to give him the finger every chance they get , and then act surprised when he does lose his sh!t, and then blame him for the whole mess.... You and others are pissed because Trump told us what to do, that it hurt your feelings, get over yourself........Finally someone from the US stood up to us for taking advantage of our neighbors down south, " how dare they make us pay for what we got for free"....According to the US Canada has not even been at the table for serious talks since Oct of 2025.....your excuse is we are not going to sign a bad deal...we don't even have a deal to start with, and this summer we might not even have a trading partner....or we have one that has tariffed everything....We need to stop half a$$es everything we do... There are options in the same to similar price point. Kia Lite, Fiat 500, Chevy Bolt, and bit more expensive Nissan Leaf. It's 3% of our total market sales... and sure we can make a lot of other cars, but those other cars head offices have either closed or downsized their Canadian footprint over time, and now to avoid US tariffs. We can learn more about their EV technology, manufacturing efficiency, how they manage their supply chain, how they control battery production so we can move up the value chain and start producing batteries in large scale, rather than exporting the raw materials, etc, etc.. Our auto industry has been under siege, or better said losing production and assembly for the last 20 years. Since 2000 the Big 3 has reduced their production in Canada by ~80% and we've lost ~1.7M jobs. Watching the industry and the jobs it supports fade away to nothing isn't an option. If the US wants to go another route with cars we have to think outside the box because I don't think a 'let's give the US everything they want' trade deal would go over well with the majority of Canadians...especially the ones employed in the auto industry. Our 'partner' changed the rules on deals that saw people lose their jobs, and you're of the opinion we kiss their âss. I have no idea why we haven't heard more from Canada except that they probably don't want to negotiate in the news, which the US likes to do. Whatever, agree to a deal if it's a good deal. If not, don't. Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted April 21 Report Posted April 21 2 hours ago, paxamericana said: Yes part of our reshoring effort. And despite that businesses are still choosing to build in Mexico... You know why? Because Mexican labor is cheaper and more productive for mid skill labor like manufacturing. Yes, those same businesses are still choosing to build, albeit less in Canada. Labor in Mexico is less expensive... you're kidding. 2 hours ago, paxamericana said: No the plan was to leverage Canadian energy with material processing. And you had to go and elbows up eh? Still is the plan, we're just shifting that timeline to wait you all out. After third world Canada that is. It's still the plan, just not your leverage... you can't do without our energy, realistically or economically, and certainly want access to our raw materials. Elbows up was a lot more polite than 'fúck you', so we stuck with that. It's a Canadian thing... 1 Quote
paxamericana Posted April 21 Report Posted April 21 (edited) 4 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: you can't do without our energy, realistically or economically Can and does 4 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: certainly want access to our raw materials. Of which requires infrastructure development and capital investment to realize. Capital that you lack. The energy was for processing the material not for our actual use per se. 4 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: Elbows up was a waste of time. You will not get a better deal. America is not in the globalist race to the bottom game of low cost manufacturing. We are the consumers and both side of the isle broadly support America’s Industrial reshoring policies. Good luck with Carney, your globalist banker whose personal investments like most other Canadian are being invested in America. Edited April 21 by paxamericana Quote
John Stone Posted April 21 Report Posted April 21 (edited) 16 hours ago, Army Guy said: So where is Carneys plan to increase the infra structure to feed all these electrical items....where is the plan to build more nuke plants, Solar, wind, other clean energy ideas, update our electrical infra structure...we are not ready....not even close... I believe in Kanada the focus is on the Nation’s major population centers / provinces. (Ontario / Quebec) Montreal is funding the construction of 12,000 EV charging stations across the island – completion is to be within 4 years – huge increase over what is available now. Not sure EV could be implemented on a national scale within the same timeline – the country is too ………. empty (?)………the distance too vast between major centers - EV charging stns. The U.S. is exactly the opposite - the population of NY (NY) alone is over 20 million. Huge potential for EV ............. population density makes EV very attractive. Edited April 21 by John Stone Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted April 21 Report Posted April 21 4 hours ago, paxamericana said: Can and does If you consider ~4M bpd of oil non-reliant, okay.... 4 hours ago, paxamericana said: Of which requires infrastructure development and capital investment to realize. Capital that you lack. The energy was for processing the material not for our actual use per se. Correct, and why we're trying to attract more investment. As a reference, governments make policy, taxes, regulations, etc, etc... The capital comes from the private sector, or through private/public partnerships. 5 hours ago, paxamericana said: waste of time. You will not get a better deal. America is not in the globalist race to the bottom game of low cost manufacturing. We are the consumers and both side of the isle broadly support America’s Industrial reshoring policies. Good luck with Carney, your globalist banker whose personal investments like most other Canadian are being invested in America. Maybe we won't get a better deal, which means more inflation for you. Your off-shoring plan doesn't seem to be working all that well with 100K + lost manufacturing jobs since you guy took office again. I'll assume most Canadian's that invest have a sizeable part of these investments in US companies. Your point is...what? And yes, Carney was a central banker but also an investment banker with Goldman Sachs and Chair of transition investing at Brookfield. Again, your point is...what? Quote
Army Guy Posted April 21 Author Report Posted April 21 18 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: There are options in the same to similar price point. Kia Lite, Fiat 500, Chevy Bolt, and bit more expensive Nissan Leaf. It's 3% of our total market sales... and sure we can make a lot of other cars, but those other cars head offices have either closed or downsized their Canadian footprint over time, and now to avoid US tariffs. We can learn more about their EV technology, manufacturing efficiency, how they manage their supply chain, how they control battery production so we can move up the value chain and start producing batteries in large scale, rather than exporting the raw materials, etc, etc.. Our auto industry has been under siege, or better said losing production and assembly for the last 20 years. Since 2000 the Big 3 has reduced their production in Canada by ~80% and we've lost ~1.7M jobs. Watching the industry and the jobs it supports fade away to nothing isn't an option. If the US wants to go another route with cars we have to think outside the box because I don't think a 'let's give the US everything they want' trade deal would go over well with the majority of Canadians...especially the ones employed in the auto industry. Our 'partner' changed the rules on deals that saw people lose their jobs, and you're of the opinion we kiss their âss. I have no idea why we haven't heard more from Canada except that they probably don't want to negotiate in the news, which the US likes to do. Whatever, agree to a deal if it's a good deal. If not, don't. Do you think it is just tariffs that have been driving out manufacturers...I would say a large portion of that is Liberal policies...Canada has driven out over a trillion dollars investments since 2015.....If we have cars already in that price point why do we need Chinese ones...I see you have not addressed why we should deal with China, despite all the pain they have given us in the past... You really think China is more advances auto sector than we do, come on man.....China has cheap labor, and pricing is made to take over markets...once they have the market what do you think they will do...Don't liberal do any critical thinking at all.... And in the last 20 years what has Canada done to retain or get more manufactures into Canada. Very little...No vision...I will say this again....NA auto industry is Thiers....Canada has taken a bite out of it, and now we think we own what we have taken....or been allowed to manufacture...Why would the US not want to bring it all back to America...Canada would do the same if in their shoes.... They are not our partners, America is looking out for Americans first....just like Canada does....My opinion is that we as a nation can not compete with an economy the size of the US, we are symbiotic to them , we survive because of them...We has a nation have formed our economy around them...the fact that 80 % of our GDP comes from the US has got to be a huge red blink light.....NO, liberals don't see that , they think it is cool to antagonize Trump, for a few votes, we will see if Carney tactic will work come this summer......We got lazy and instead of looking to diversify we said why should we....WE did this to ourselves, Trump just took advantage of our mistake..... The reality is this, US will dictate the terms of Cusma, just like last time, Carney will be allowed to save some sacred cows, but they are going to come out on top....Canada will be bent over for some time....If you think we are going to get a better deal by holding out your not been following trump very closely....You don't get a better deal at the Car dealer but poking fun at the sales person....that's what we have been doing... If you think we have the high hand here you've drank to much of Carneys kool aid....look at what we have already given up, on short notice... There has been NO productive talks since last Oct , according to US negotiators, Mean while Mexico is almost completed their part of the trade agreement....wonder what they gave up to get a deal.... On other note the tool and die industry was in Ottawa to beg for a trade deal with the US and say that entire industry has maybe 3 to 4 months left then well over 50,000 jobs are going to be gone, with other industries being effected , and they will lose 100 K in jobs...And we have not even sat down and really discussed trade.....How many jobs are we willing to risk to get the best deal....we are not going to get the best deal....what we are going to get is more job losses and while we lose jobs Mexico will gain jobs....How is all that going to look like on Carneys record.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted April 21 Author Report Posted April 21 11 hours ago, John Stone said: I believe in Kanada the focus is on the Nation’s major population centers / provinces. (Ontario / Quebec) Montreal is funding the construction of 12,000 EV charging stations across the island – completion is to be within 4 years – huge increase over what is available now. Not sure EV could be implemented on a national scale within the same timeline – the country is too ………. empty (?)………the distance too vast between major centers - EV charging stns. The U.S. is exactly the opposite - the population of NY (NY) alone is over 20 million. Huge potential for EV ............. population density makes EV very attractive. What projects are under way now, to improve our electrical grid, or power generation...i think Ontario is building a nuke plant....the first answer is free... With out any new infra structure to support these EV chargers what do you think is going to happen... And yet under trump the EV market has crashed...and for the most part so has ours... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
LinkSoul60 Posted April 22 Report Posted April 22 4 hours ago, Army Guy said: Do you think it is just tariffs that have been driving out manufacturers...I would say a large portion of that is Liberal policies...Canada has driven out over a trillion dollars investments since 2015.....If we have cars already in that price point why do we need Chinese ones...I see you have not addressed why we should deal with China, despite all the pain they have given us in the past... You really think China is more advances auto sector than we do, come on man.....China has cheap labor, and pricing is made to take over markets...once they have the market what do you think they will do...Don't liberal do any critical thinking at all.... And in the last 20 years what has Canada done to retain or get more manufactures into Canada. Very little...No vision...I will say this again....NA auto industry is Thiers....Canada has taken a bite out of it, and now we think we own what we have taken....or been allowed to manufacture...Why would the US not want to bring it all back to America...Canada would do the same if in their shoes.... They are not our partners, America is looking out for Americans first....just like Canada does....My opinion is that we as a nation can not compete with an economy the size of the US, we are symbiotic to them , we survive because of them...We has a nation have formed our economy around them...the fact that 80 % of our GDP comes from the US has got to be a huge red blink light.....NO, liberals don't see that , they think it is cool to antagonize Trump, for a few votes, we will see if Carney tactic will work come this summer......We got lazy and instead of looking to diversify we said why should we....WE did this to ourselves, Trump just took advantage of our mistake..... The reality is this, US will dictate the terms of Cusma, just like last time, Carney will be allowed to save some sacred cows, but they are going to come out on top....Canada will be bent over for some time....If you think we are going to get a better deal by holding out your not been following trump very closely....You don't get a better deal at the Car dealer but poking fun at the sales person....that's what we have been doing... If you think we have the high hand here you've drank to much of Carneys kool aid....look at what we have already given up, on short notice... There has been NO productive talks since last Oct , according to US negotiators, Mean while Mexico is almost completed their part of the trade agreement....wonder what they gave up to get a deal.... On other note the tool and die industry was in Ottawa to beg for a trade deal with the US and say that entire industry has maybe 3 to 4 months left then well over 50,000 jobs are going to be gone, with other industries being effected , and they will lose 100 K in jobs...And we have not even sat down and really discussed trade.....How many jobs are we willing to risk to get the best deal....we are not going to get the best deal....what we are going to get is more job losses and while we lose jobs Mexico will gain jobs....How is all that going to look like on Carneys record.... Lol... I typed something out then figured, why... You're of a totally different mindset. I'm not going to convince you and you're not going to convince me. "We survive because of them"... lost your pride huh. I will throw this in though... the industry started to shift away from Canada in the 2000's with restructuring in 2008/09 that saw plant closures, and the manufacturing footprints going to the US or Mexico. That was your guy Harper, not the 2016 liberals who saw the lost investment and jobs during his term that's generally carried on since. Investments will go where it makes best sense for their business and for the most part and regardless of the PM, it hasn't been Canada. Quote
John Stone Posted April 22 Report Posted April 22 (edited) 13 hours ago, Army Guy said: What projects are under way now, to improve our electrical grid, or power generation...i think Ontario is building a nuke plant....the first answer is free... With out any new infra structure to support these EV chargers what do you think is going to happen... And yet under trump the EV market has crashed...and for the most part so has ours... The previous administration made broad proposals that would have been implemented ……… The proposals included, but not limited to, the so-called, (bipartisan) Infrastructure Law – which provided 8 billion $$ in federal funding to develop the country’s EV charging structure. The goal was 500,000 public chargers nationwide within 5 years. Through EO, (got to love those), Trump put an immediate pause on billions of dollars in funding allocated for EV charging stations appropriated through the bipartisan infrastructure law approved in 2021. FWIW? IF YOU BUILD IT THEY WILL COME. Edited April 22 by John Stone Quote
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