I Do NOT Care Where Immigrants Come From

[Charles Anthony]

The racism that is repeatedly expressed by a select few bigots on this forum is disgusting.

I would like to see an immigration policy exclusively based on merit much like a job or a bank loan application. Points would be awarded to certain responses and the immigration candidate would be matched up to the needs of provinces or cities or even employers. Afterwards, the candidate would be told: "Here are the places that are available to you. Take it or leave it." Once they immigrate, they will be free to move elsewhere, but the tax-payer will not help them.

Any mention of the following demographic details would be forbidden:

- race

- national or ethnic origin

- color

- religion

- age

- sex

- sexual orientation

- marital status

- family status

- disability

- conviction for an offence for which a pardon has been granted

until after the decision to accept or refuse the individual was made.

If we are worried about abuse of our immigration policy by people who live on welfare after they immigrate, then cut welfare and cut funding to aiding immigration. We often hear complaints about the injustice of "affirmative action" in the workplace. I would like to apply the same justice to our immigration policy.

[Guest Warwick Green]

The racism that is repeatedly expressed by a select few bigots on this forum is disgusting.

I would like to see an immigration policy exclusively based on merit much like a job or a bank loan application. Points would be awarded to certain responses and the immigration candidate would be matched up to the needs of provinces or cities or even employers. Afterwards, the candidate would be told: "Here are the places that are available to you. Take it or leave it." Once they immigrate, they will be free to move elsewhere, but the tax-payer will not help them.

Any mention of the following demographic details would be forbidden:

- race

- national or ethnic origin

- color

- religion

- age

- sex

- sexual orientation

- marital status

- family status

- disability

- conviction for an offence for which a pardon has been granted

until after the decision to accept or refuse the individual was made.

If we are worried about abuse of our immigration policy by people who live on welfare after they immigrate, then cut welfare and cut funding to aiding immigration. We often hear complaints about the injustice of "affirmative action" in the workplace. I would like to apply the same justice to our immigration policy.

That reminds me of the time I applied for a federal government job. They took my photo. Later, after I got the job, I asked why my photo was taken. I was told, "That way we knew you were white". Of course they couldn't write down that I was white -- but the photo showed it!

[Argus]

That reminds me of the time I applied for a federal government job. They took my photo. Later, after I got the job, I asked why my photo was taken. I was told, "That way we knew you were white". Of course they couldn't write down that I was white -- but the photo showed it!

We don't take pictures of people until after they're already hired and as far as I know that has always been the case. I first had my picture taken for a pass about thirty years ago, and it was the case then. Maybe you'd like to tell us just where and when this happened.

[Rue]

We don't take pictures of people until after they're already hired and as far as I know that has always been the case. I first had my picture taken for a pass about thirty years ago, and it was the case then. Maybe you'd like to tell us just where and when this happened.

Well without changing the subject I worked in the provincial government during the Bob rae days. I was ordered to fill out a form that delineated what ethnic group I was. The problem was it had none for Jews. It differentiated groups for Arabs, Polynesians, Mongolians, but I was told being Jewish didn't count and I was considered "white".

I can tell you for a fact during the Bob Rae era departments were ordered to

conform to quotas of hiring minorities. Since white women were considered a minority, they flooded the jobs creating a pink ghetto and made it easy not to hire minorities once they grabbed all the jobs.

I was also advised that in an interview, because I was a white male, I would start at 1 and have to work my way to 5, but to address the inequity against minorities, in an interview they would start at 5 and work there way to 1...5 being the top mark.

I also noted although I am bilingual the bilingual test was used as an opportunity to make sure Francophones who spoke English got all the bilingual jobs-the standard for Francophones speaking English was made far easier then English speaking French. In fact the standard for being considered French bilingual was pretty much one where you had to speak French as a mother tonque to pass the test...if we are being honest about it.

Now I do not want to sound bitter or angry but I think there has been a lot of contraversy and b.s. from both those seeking to discriminate and those seeking to reverse discriminate.

There's been plenty of b.s. on both sides of the equation and as a Jew I love it when people refer to me as an invisible minority or caucasian. Yah, until I use my last name or wear a cepah or ask for someone from CUPE to represent me at a grievance after they find out I buy Jaffa oranges! The point is I have learned to live with being a "minority" without expecting any assistance from any affirmative action program and yah sometimes I run into idiots and sometimes I don't. I certainly won't run around with a chip on my shoulder or develop a persecution complex. In fact I am typical of all Canadians. We all come from somewhere and we all learn you have to work hard to get anything - if you expect it to be delivered it aint gonna happen. Take the word Jew out and replace it with Irish, Dhoukabhor, Siekh, Chinese, Scot, etc., its the same story. We all come hear looking for a better life. If you were Irish you became a cop or fireman because no one would let you work anywhere else. If you were a Jew you went in the garment or scrap metal business for the same reasons. If you were Chinese or Siekh it was fine as long asy ou built the railroads..on and on it goes. No one was to worried about the Ukrainians and Dhoukabors out West struggling to make a living on farms. For that matter the Scots that came here were not all multi-millionaires.

That said, I have no problem with programs that try assist people gain access to education and opportunities I just think there is a lot of b.s. going on and I think when it comes down to it, all of us just want a fair chance whatever the hell we are.

I am just trying to give you some examples of this b.s. at the provincial level I am neutral on this topic.

That said a more and more employers in the work place are asking for photoes and not hiring people when they don't send them in. t makes you wonder are they using it to screen say race or ethnicity or are they using it also to screen people who are ugly and fat, etc.

There are plenty of studies that show people size you up within 10 seconds and most of that is based on your physical appearance and not necessarily whether you are white or brown or yellow but whether you are fact, funny looking, etc.

I think I have been discriminated against due to my fat head but I can't prove it.

[Guest Warwick Green]

We don't take pictures of people until after they're already hired and as far as I know that has always been the case. I first had my picture taken for a pass about thirty years ago, and it was the case then. Maybe you'd like to tell us just where and when this happened.

It was a program run by the Public Service Commission (Junior Executive Officers) for hiring new college graduates. My photo was taken at the interview. I was later offered the job. I even could tell you the name of the person who took the photo and made the comment about the whites. But, as you say, the policy was later changed.

[Rue]

Look I think the idea of applying a consistent immigration admission criteria for all people

and applying it consistently is the way to go but as for what the criteria should be that is

the million dollar question. I think what we all want to make sure is that people coming to

this country are;

1-willing to understand that we seperate religion from state

2-that they can not bring their hatred or intolerance of others to this country

3-that in this country we deem women and men equal before the law

4-that we live in and believe in democracy

5-we do not agree with or will support terrorism or violence from anyone for any reason

6-we are not a haven for criminals

7-we are not a haven for pedophiles

8-we can not be all things to all people

9-if you believe your religion makes you better or purer then others, this is not the country for you

10-you have to be prepared to be self-sufficient and if need be move to an area of Canada that

needs labourers, etc. for at least your first three years

11-some sort of test is passed that you can speak either English or French sufficiently enough to be able to work and survive

12-you have a skill that is needed.

I think our current policies are supposed to do this but are not.

Now the above in my opinion could easily be construed by some as unfair but I think it is pretty fair in that it does not discriminate against anyone and tries to protect the safety of the state as the paramount criteria in the selection process.

[Subey]

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[sharkman]

Look I think the idea of applying a consistent immigration admission criteria for all people

and applying it consistently is the way to go but as for what the criteria should be that is

the million dollar question. I think what we all want to make sure is that people coming to

this country are;

1-willing to understand that we seperate religion from state

2-that they can not bring their hatred or intolerance of others to this country

3-that in this country we deem women and men equal before the law

4-that we live in and believe in democracy

5-we do not agree with or will support terrorism or violence from anyone for any reason

6-we are not a haven for criminals

7-we are not a haven for pedophiles

8-we can not be all things to all people

9-if you believe your religion makes you better or purer then others, this is not the country for you

10-you have to be prepared to be self-sufficient and if need be move to an area of Canada that

needs labourers, etc. for at least your first three years

11-some sort of test is passed that you can speak either English or French sufficiently enough to be able to work and survive

12-you have a skill that is needed.

I think our current policies are supposed to do this but are not.

Now the above in my opinion could easily be construed by some as unfair but I think it is pretty fair in that it does not discriminate against anyone and tries to protect the safety of the state as the paramount criteria in the selection process.

I believe your list is sound, but the reality is immigrants can't just change their spots when they come to Canada. Since it is very desirable to live in Canada, they simply hide their spots. People that have lived in a religious dictatorship all of their lives and have learned to hate other religions or races will simply continue to live with these and other undesirable qualities embedded in their brains.

The only immigration strategy that would reduce these concerns you have would be to accept applicants from countries that share our ideals only . For instance, a country that believes men and women are equal and is not a theocracy.

[kilkee]

Terrorists 9

By

James Bredin

We didn’t know much about multiculturalism then,

Far-off fancy phenomenon from Trudeau’s pen,

We opened the doors and let those terrorists win,

Various cultures we thought would eventually fit in.

And now that our illusions have come home to roost,

Guided by left-wing CBC socialists to boot,

Pushed by tax-and-spend international bureaucrats,

Taking instructions from the UN and that’s that.

Then the Youthful Offenders Act from those we elected,

Actions shielded as though we had to be protected,

Because terrorists under eighteen can’t be seen or known,

Another Liberal illusion that we should have thrown.

And Trudeau’s Charter is still sacred to them all,

Can’t change things – no way – not one bit – we’re still in stall,

Because international left-wing pundits like it this way,

And Quebec never signed it to this very day.

And incoming refugees still have their own strange culture,

They’re locked in and couldn’t care about multiculture,

We can’t build a wall like Israel to keep them out,

This is what political correctness is all about.

Mix in United Nations and partisan considerations,

Deny that there are immigration complications,

While politicians ponder how to buy their way out of this,

Using taxpayers’ money as we move into the abyss.

Saturday, June 17, 2006