SpankyMcFarland Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 (edited) Here is a familiar story that has been driving Iranians crackers for years - the lifestyle of some of the regime’s children, the aghazadeh. While their fathers demand austerity and puritanism at home they live the high life in the West. Quote A week before the protests began in Iran, life was good for Anashid Hoseini. Wearing a cream cashmere coat and carrying a handbag that critics suggested cost more than an average Iranian could expect to earn in a year, the model and fashion designer told her followers that this was “casual me”. Or even at home. Catch a gawk at the cleavage on display here. Quote Masih Alinejad, an exiled Iranian dissident, wrote on X: “The daughter of Ali Shamkhani, one of the Islamic Republic’s top enforcers, had a lavish wedding in a strapless dress. Meanwhile, women in Iran are beaten for showing their hair and young people can’t afford to marry.” Quote Khamenei has several relatives in Britain and France, including his nephew Mahmoud Moradkhani, while the grandchildren of the founder of the Islamic revolution, Ayatollah Khomeini, have settled in Canada. The brother of Ali Larijani, secretary of the Supreme National Security Council of Iran, lectures in Scotland on cybersecurity, while the children of the former president, Hassan Rouhani, live in Austria and studied at Oxford. According to one former Iranian minister, 5,000 aghazadeh live in America, Iran’s greatest enemy, the “Great Satan”. https://apple.news/ArXlgsov4Tt2ndCoDcepsUg Edited January 17 by SpankyMcFarland Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 (edited) This is an odd admission from the Supreme Leader: Quote The Iranian supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has acknowledged for the first time that thousands of people were killed during the protests that rocked Iran over the last two weeks. In a speech on Thursday, Khamenei said that thousands of people had been killed, “some in an inhuman, savage manner”, and blamed the US for the death toll. If I’d been out defending the regime and getting in my quota of kills I’d be a bit confused by that. There’s an element of regret in there. The intelligent members of the regime must know what a horrible cul-de-sac they’ve driven their country into. Some of them are surely looking for a way out for themselves and their country. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/17/senior-iranian-cleric-calls-for-protester-executions-in-defiance-of-trump-claims A lot will depend on Khamenei‘s successor. Let’s hope that is soon. If a person with genuinely religious ambitions is chosen, like Iraq’s Sistani, the country could begin to heal. Edited January 17 by SpankyMcFarland 1 Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 17 Author Report Posted January 17 (edited) On 1/10/2026 at 9:03 PM, TreeBeard said: How did you measure the support in Iran for US intervention? 80%+ President Trump promised Iranians to go on streets and promised to protect them. Iranians poured into streets in millions likely 10 millions responding to a call by King Reza Pahlavi and the promise by President Trump. The regime was about to be toppled but they brought in Arab terrorists from Iraq and Lebanon and Gaza and started a massacre against unarmed defenseless people. Estimates between 20,000 to 30,000 killed including thousands of women and children and teenager. PRESIDENT TRUMP NOW IS YOUR CHANCE TO GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS A HERO OR A COWARD. LOCKED AND LOADED. KEEP YOUR WORD OR BLOOD OF TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WILL BE ON YOUR SHOULDERS. BOMB MASSIVELY THE CENTERS OF SEPAH AND BASIJ AND TARGET TO KILL MUDEROUS ISLAMIC REPUBLIC LEADERS AS YOU PROMISED IF THEY KILL THEY PAY MASSIVELY. THEY ARE ALL LEGITIMATE TARGETS. IRANIANS WILL END TERRORISM IN MIDDLE EAST AND THE WORLD BUT THEY ARE UNARMED AND NEED FOREIGN HELP. CLOSE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC EMBASSIES. DEPORT ISLAMIC REPUBLIC AGENTS , OPERATIVES AND SUPPORTERS ALL OVER THE WORLD, AN ESTIMATED 700 OF THESE BASTARDS ARE IN CANADA ALONE. DOWN WITH ISLAMIC REPUBLIC DEATH TO THE RULING IRANIAN ISLAMIC CLERGY MURDEROUS BASTARDS. THIS IS THE SLOGANS OF THE NATION. Edited January 17 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
TreeBeard Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 3 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: 80%+ Where did you get this number? Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 18 Author Report Posted January 18 (edited) 32 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Where did you get this number? I should have said 80%+ support the removal of islamic republic not in particular Reza Pahlavi or US intervention but he is the only main opposition figure. It was his call who brought in an estimated 5 to 10 million people to streets all over Iran in spite of threats by regime that they will be shot dead. It is very hard to get an accurate number but the Gamman institute carried out a survey from outside Iran calling and interviewing people inside Iran and considering that people risk their life in spite of that 80% showed opposition to islamic republic and that was in 2024 when things were not anywhere close or as bad as it has been recently. https://gamaan.org/2025/08/20/analytical-report-on-iranians-political-preferences-in-2024/ As for US intervention the figure was based on my observations and the 100+ community I know and also I have been to three demonstrations and overwhelming majority were shouting MR. PRESIDENT, LOCKED AND LOADED. KEEP YOUR WORD. Nobody supports military invasion like in Iraq or Afghanistan. Nobody wants boots on the ground. Nobody wants occupation but they all want targeting the IRGC and Basij centers and the criminal leaders. from air and sea. The Islamic regime is armed to teeth. The nation is unarmed fighting these armed thugs and the regime also brought in many thousand of Arab terrorists to kill defenseless people. Iranians want the US to level off the playing fields so that millions of protesters can overcome these armed thugs and free Iran, the middle east and the world from these sons of b*tches terrorist thugs b*stards. Edited January 18 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 (edited) I can only see major change coming from two forces - within the regime itself or regional separatists, eg, Kurdish, Azeri, Arab, Balochi. Iran is almost as bad as India in its regional mutinies. They have the capacity to arm themselves, especially the Azeris who would receive support from Aliyev. The second possibility would mean the break-up of the country. Of course, Turkey would not want to see yet more pressure for an independent Kurdistan in the region. I think the failure of the regime to enforce some ‘morality’ rules on, for example, the hijab is one small sign of progress. Women are fighting back in a small way and I’m sure such debates are occurring within the families of the political elite too. It’s a lost cause and a preposterous one in a city like Tehran that is full of drug addicts and prostitutes. Edited January 18 by SpankyMcFarland Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 (edited) Essentially, Iran has one buyer of its oil - China. If Trump wanted to strangle the mullah’s foreign money supply he could go after that but I don’t see him talking so tough to Xi these days. Like Putin’s buddies, the Iranian elite has money all over the place, especially in Europe. That should be pursued much more aggressively. China also assists in controlling the Internet; Western tech companies could do a better job resisting that. I’d like to see a bigger budget for BBC Persian. In addition, a campaign of satire is absolutely intolerable to theocracies. Once the laughter becomes general they begin to lose their power. Edited January 19 by SpankyMcFarland Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 Some good news on the info war front: Quote Hackers disrupted Iranian state television satellite transmissions to air footage supporting the country's exiled crown prince and calling on security forces to not “point your weapons at the people,” online video showed early Monday, the latest disruption to follow nationwide protests in the country. https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/hackers-target-iran-state-tvs-satellite-transmission-broadcast-129340123 They need a lot more of that. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
John Stone Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 On 1/17/2026 at 2:44 PM, SpankyMcFarland said: This is an odd admission from the Supreme Leader: If I’d been out defending the regime and getting in my quota of kills I’d be a bit confused by that. There’s an element of regret in there. The intelligent members of the regime must know what a horrible cul-de-sac they’ve driven their country into. Some of them are surely looking for a way out for themselves and their country. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/17/senior-iranian-cleric-calls-for-protester-executions-in-defiance-of-trump-claims A lot will depend on Khamenei‘s successor. Let’s hope that is soon. If a person with genuinely religious ambitions is chosen, like Iraq’s Sistani, the country could begin to heal. ............. Khamenei's successor? I believe in this case that falls into the realm of, 'better the Devil ya know" Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 53 minutes ago, John Stone said: ............. Khamenei's successor? I believe in this case that falls into the realm of, 'better the Devil ya know" It is guesswork even for those who know something about Iran which certainly does not include me. If the great man does go off to meet his maker, I suspect the regime will want to manage the crisis by letting the IRGC take a stronger role and cutting back on the morality side of things that just provoke people needlessly. That would require a more conciliatory chief bottlewasher willing to chart a slightly more secular course. OTOH they could choose a more energetic version of the incumbent. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
John Stone Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 (edited) 11 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: It is guesswork even for those who know something about Iran which certainly does not include me. If the great man does go off to meet his maker, I suspect the regime will want to manage the crisis by letting the IRGC take a stronger role and cutting back on the morality side of things that just provoke people needlessly. That would require a more conciliatory chief bottlewasher willing to chart a slightly more secular course. OTOH they could choose a more energetic version of the incumbent. The next leader of Iran is chosen by the Assembly of Experts - their is no heir apparent Mojtaba Khamenei, Sadiq Larijani and Hassan Khomeini are in contention The current Supreme Leader has selected 3 senior clerics as likely successors to ensure regime stability......? Civil War? Edited January 19 by John Stone Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 (edited) 3 hours ago, John Stone said: The next leader of Iran is chosen by the Assembly of Experts - their is no heir apparent Mojtaba Khamenei, Sadiq Larijani and Hassan Khomeini are in contention The current Supreme Leader has selected 3 senior clerics as likely successors to ensure regime stability......? Civil War? No heir apparent but two of those three are closely related to previous leaders. The least worst might be Hassan Khomeini of all people. Of course, the regime likes to see internal opposition as organized by the US but they must know that’s not the case. They’re doing a fantastically awful job all on their own. I tend to think that a more secular dictatorship with input from the military would be more acceptable to Iranians and other countries too, especially Sunni neighbours, and would thus have a better chance of survival. However there’s always the danger in reform of doing a Gorbachev and bringing the whole edifice down. Edited January 20 by SpankyMcFarland Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 I’d like to see a gradual retreat of religious leaders from the political sphere. Ayatollah Sistani next door in Iraq, although born in Iran, tends to leave politics to the politicians in the absence of a national crisis like the attack by Islamic State. He has generally been a force for positive change. If the Iranian mullahs could see the light and surrender power they could avert a civil war and perhaps the break-up of the country. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
John Stone Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 There is no organized opposition to the regime A military coup d'état is the most likely at some point........... top Generals taken out by subordinates. Rhetoric of Democracy quiets the children, domestic and international During this dwell period, ANY opposition is taken out Authoritarian government re-emerges. Iran is too important regionally to fall to something even remotely like a democracy. A military coup de eta is very likely Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 The failure of the hijab ban means that Iran is secularizing anyway. The real question is where the destination is - authoritarian or democratic? One could imagine a senior army officer seizing power but leaving the existing structures in place with a friendly cleric in the role currently occupied by Khamanei. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 On Iran, the US should be under-promising and over-delivering rather than the opposite. Here’s a concrete example of what could be done from the WSJ: Quote “Whether or not President Trump orders a military strike on Iran, he ought to seize the billions of dollars its rulers have hidden offshore. Freezing these assets could have an effect comparable to military attack—at a fraction of the risk. The U.S. Treasury knows where Iran’s money is, but successive administrations have hesitated to act for fear of damaging relations with a valued ally—the United Arab Emirates. It’s time to reconsider that calculation. To evade U.S. sanctions, Iran has built an elaborate shadow banking system—a network of shell companies and financial intermediaries that allows the regime to move money at scale. This system allows Tehran to sell oil illicitly to China and launder the proceeds to procure export-controlled technology for its military and nuclear programs.” Quote “What’s required now is a strategy that targets not shell companies but banks that knowingly host and move Iranian funds. This means freezing Iranian assets already in hand and forcing the banks involved—especially in Dubai—to choose between compliance and punishment. Any financial institution that facilitates Iranian transactions should face immediate and substantial fines. Further misbehavior should be answered with sanctionings against at least one bank—a move that would leave no doubt about the consequences. Compliance would be swift. Banks understand the risks. They will end the charade.” https://apple.news/AWz6c0vw9Qd2iwMlryJd0lQ Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 20 Author Report Posted January 20 17 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: I’d like to see a gradual retreat of religious leaders from the political sphere. i'd like to see all of these f*cking religious leaders to be blown up into pieces. Islamic shiite clergy are nothing but bunch of mass murderous subhuman sons of the b*tches bastards and Iranians will make sure they receive the punishment that agents of Satan deserve to receive. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 20 Author Report Posted January 20 37 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: On Iran, the US should be under-promising and over-delivering rather than the opposite. Here’s a concrete example of what could be done from the WSJ: https://apple.news/AWz6c0vw9Qd2iwMlryJd0lQ What can be done is very simple and no rocket scientist is required to explain. The superior US airforce must attack massively the centers of IRGC and Basij in Tehran and all other cities and level them off to the ground. The leaders of the Satanic republic must be one by one targetted starting with the murderous leader Khamenei and all blown up into pieces. These action would level off the playing fields from the armed to teeth murderous IRGC and Basij in favor of millions of unarmed nation. The nation of Iran then will take over and finish the job by occupying the government building and disarming security forces. Toppling this regime will benefit the whole world. It will end terrorism all over the world. Iran has the largest oil and gas fields will be open for business with the West again. Trade will flourish. Millions of jobs created. Middle East will be free from war and terrorism. Russia may have to settle in Ukraine as it will lose free drones and military support from this regime. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 20 Author Report Posted January 20 5 hours ago, John Stone said: There is no organized opposition to the regime A military coup d'état is the most likely at some point........... top Generals taken out by subordinates. Rhetoric of Democracy quiets the children, domestic and international During this dwell period, ANY opposition is taken out Authoritarian government re-emerges. Iran is too important regionally to fall to something even remotely like a democracy. A military coup de eta is very likely Between 5 to 10 millions poured into streets in spite of threats and terror by the regime that if they do they will be shot, most if not all calling the name of Reza Pahlavi. The popular King in exile. Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 37 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: What can be done is very simple and no rocket scientist is required to explain. The superior US airforce must attack massively the centers of IRGC and Basij in Tehran and all other cities and level them off to the ground. The leaders of the Satanic republic must be one by one targetted starting with the murderous leader Khamenei and all blown up into pieces. These action would level off the playing fields from the armed to teeth murderous IRGC and Basij in favor of millions of unarmed nation. The nation of Iran then will take over and finish the job by occupying the government building and disarming security forces. Toppling this regime will benefit the whole world. It will end terrorism all over the world. Iran has the largest oil and gas fields will be open for business with the West again. Trade will flourish. Millions of jobs created. Middle East will be free from war and terrorism. Russia may have to settle in Ukraine as it will lose free drones and military support from this regime. The thing is that Trump’s generous friends on the other side of the Gulf get nervous whenever the violent overthrow of unelected despots is discussed. 48 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: i'd like to see all of these f*cking religious leaders to be blown up into pieces. Islamic shiite clergy are nothing but bunch of mass murderous subhuman sons of the b*tches bastards and Iranians will make sure they receive the punishment that agents of Satan deserve to receive. Are you worried that a violent transition could lead to anarchy along Libyan lines? Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
John Stone Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 39 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Between 5 to 10 millions poured into streets in spite of threats and terror by the regime that if they do they will be shot, most if not all calling the name of Reza Pahlavi. The popular King in exile. Reza Pahlavi? OMG! In 1953 the CIA orchestrated a coup of Iran's democratically elected prime minister Mohammad Mossadegh .... which ushered in Shah Reza Pahlavi - the power behind the throne was big oil. The Shah of Iran's police force (SAVAK) was a secret police and intelligence service est. during the reign of Shah Reza Pahlavi. SAVAK was responsible for protecting the Shah's regime and they leaned into it, suppressing dissent through surveillance, torture and imprisonment of political opponents. Notorious for using brutal tactics - which contributed to the climate of fear that fueled widespread discontent that led to the Iranian Revolution. Of course their was ur garden variety corruption, wealth inequity and foreign exploitation. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 21 Author Report Posted January 21 On 1/20/2026 at 2:19 PM, SpankyMcFarland said: The thing is that Trump’s generous friends on the other side of the Gulf get nervous whenever the violent overthrow of unelected despots is discussed. Are you worried that a violent transition could lead to anarchy along Libyan lines? They should mind their own business. The Arabs have never been a friend to Iran. In fact they have been and are Iran's enemy for centuries. They don't want to see a powerful and free and prosperous Iran because investments will leave Persian Gulf states to Iran. Btw, it is not Gulf. It is Persian Gulf and will always be. I am very surprise that you would ask a question like that!!!. I thought you are Iranian. If a non-Iranian ask such question I understand but an Iranian!!! Iran is no Libya or Syria or Iraq. Iran is not an Arab country but a Persian country. Iran has 2500 years of history. These Arab countries they did not exist 100 years ago. They were under British rule and suddenly a line was drawn in the desert and these countries came out of nowhere. Iranians of different ethnics share common history of 2500 years. They sacrificed together to keep Persia's independent over 2500 years. They share customs like Noruz, Yalda and they share 2500 years of civilization. They are Aryans not Arabs who are violent by nature and culture. Iran will NEVER become libya and regime change will NOT lead to anarchy. This is what western politician never understood and hence they have made big mistakes in the past calculations the latest president Trump asking Israelis not to eliminate Khamenei in the 12 day war fearing it may lead to anarchy. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 21 Author Report Posted January 21 (edited) On 1/20/2026 at 2:45 PM, John Stone said: Reza Pahlavi? OMG! In 1953 the CIA orchestrated a coup of Iran's democratically elected prime minister Mohammad Mossadegh .... which ushered in Shah Reza Pahlavi - the power behind the throne was big oil. The Shah of Iran's police force (SAVAK) was a secret police and intelligence service est. during the reign of Shah Reza Pahlavi. SAVAK was responsible for protecting the Shah's regime and they leaned into it, suppressing dissent through surveillance, torture and imprisonment of political opponents. Notorious for using brutal tactics - which contributed to the climate of fear that fueled widespread discontent that led to the Iranian Revolution. Of course their was ur garden variety corruption, wealth inequity and foreign exploitation. You have been misinformed or one of those leftists inventing or rewriting history. First off, it was Mossadegh who staged a coup against the Shah. He was never elected but appointed by the Shah at the first place but when he messed up the country by fighting the British in a non-political way the Shah ordered him down but he disobeyed and tried to arrest the Shah and his family and they had to secretly fly out of Iran to Rome or face execution. What followed was a rise up by Shah supporters ia few days later leading to arrest of Mossadegh. The CIA did play a role in the pro-Shah uprising and spent about 50 million dollars to buy off some army officers but many thousands of ordinary people rose up and took over streets and demand the return of monarch. This is hardly a coup. The Shah had constitutional right as a King to order PM down. These are all lies. Savak was a secret police like CIA, MI6 OR CISIS. It was mostly acing against foreign enemies like Soviets and Arab states like Iraq and Egypt. Its counter-intelligent was the main part. You are right though it had an eye over enemies within Iran too. On the Soviet stooges like Tudeh party and Islamic terrorists like current murderous leader Khamenei was a prisoner of Savak and we all saw what kind of people Savak arrested like this son of the b*tch who upon release they started killing thousands of people and spreading hate and terror all over middle east. Iranians realized now that if the Shad had killed these bastards instead of just putting them in prison, Iran and Iranians and the ME and the world would have been a much better place. The people who last week ordered and supervised the mass murder of now believed to be 30,000 innocent defenseless civilians were among the Savak prisoners . Iran was making fast progress with double digits economic growth and total absolute freedom except political freedom. Women got the right to vote before the women in Switzerland and it was a happy and prosperous nation. It was socially more advanced than many Europeans. It was the time that half of Europe and all of South America was under absolute dictatorship. This was 70 years ago. What did you expect? A total democracy in Iran when more advanced countries were under total dictatorship. THIS IS WHY IRANIANS IN TENS OF MILLIONS ARE RISKING THEIR LIVES ON STREETS AND CAL FOR THE RETURN OF PAHLAVI and you step in here and spread all these leftist lies? Edited January 21 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 21 Author Report Posted January 21 On 1/19/2026 at 3:25 PM, John Stone said: The next leader of Iran is chosen by the Assembly of Experts - their is no heir apparent Mojtaba Khamenei, Sadiq Larijani and Hassan Khomeini are in contention The current Supreme Leader has selected 3 senior clerics as likely successors to ensure regime stability......? Civil War? This never happens. The revolution will succeed. The people will torn these f*cking mullahs into pieces. They will all be prosecuted for crime against humanity , genocide and treason and will be hanged. In a free referendum, the nation will decide the form of next government after revolution. In my view over 70% will choose monarchy. King Reza Pahlavi will be the ceremonial King. The prime minister who will be elected by the people will run the country. Among the popular parties I would think the pro-monarchy party will win election. It will be a true democracy. THESE F*CKING SUBHUMAN MULLAHS WILL ALL BE SENT TO HELL TO MEET THEIR BOSS (SATAN) Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 (edited) 20 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: They should mind their own business. The Arabs have never been a friend to Iran. In fact they have been and are Iran's enemy for centuries. They don't want to see a powerful and free and prosperous Iran because investments will leave Persian Gulf states to Iran. Btw, it is not Gulf. It is Persian Gulf and will always be. I am very surprise that you would ask a question like that!!!. I thought you are Iranian. If a non-Iranian ask such question I understand but an Iranian!!! Iran is no Libya or Syria or Iraq. Iran is not an Arab country but a Persian country. Iran has 2500 years of history. These Arab countries they did not exist 100 years ago. They were under British rule and suddenly a line was drawn in the desert and these countries came out of nowhere. Iranians of different ethnics share common history of 2500 years. They sacrificed together to keep Persia's independent over 2500 years. They share customs like Noruz, Yalda and they share 2500 years of civilization. They are Aryans not Arabs who are violent by nature and culture. Iran will NEVER become libya and regime change will NOT lead to anarchy. This is what western politician never understood and hence they have made big mistakes in the past calculations the latest president Trump asking Israelis not to eliminate Khamenei in the 12 day war fearing it may lead to anarchy. Sorry, I’m not Iranian, nor am I particularly familiar with Iran. I’m just a random Internet monkey. I have watched the Kurds in multiple countries, eg, Syria, Turkey, Iraq and Iran, fight for more autonomy. If Iran was plunged into chaos, why wouldn’t the Kurds, for example, fight to create an independent Kurdistan where they would be safer and would have their own country? Edited January 22 by SpankyMcFarland Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
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