Trump Calls Refusal to Execute Illegal Orders Treason

[User]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

No, you proved you are unable to explain in your own words and you’re unable to.  Posting a link to Trump’s lies doesn’t prove the very same lies are accurate. 

You want it both ways; you want to lie about what Trump said and then cry when I actually provide you with what Trump actually said. 

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

THE  EXISTENCE OF THE TANK IS WHY THERE IS COMBAT YOU DUMMY 

Wow. So, combat doesn't actually mean "combat" like you were trying to say. Now all of a sudden you get how this works... Narco terrorists running drugs to "fuel" their operations is no different a target on the battlefield than a crew driving a fuel truck to tanks is. 

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

NO….A guy who is just carrying fuel down the street and there is no tank and nobody firing at you is NOT participating in combat or attacking you  

No one is firing at anyone on the highway to refuel the tank either... It is just a truck driving down the road!

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

His made up claims don’t prove his made up claims. 

So... you are back to the stupid argument that there is no such thing as drug cartels?

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

You’re the one saying absurdly that the fact that the military is carrying out the orders is evidence proving that Trump’s bogus claims are true otherwise the military would refuse to carry them out. 

No, you were the one who tried to claim that the military blindly follows orders and we would never know otherwise... yet, here we are, talking about it. 

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Circling back to kill survivors clinging to a raft because you were ordered to “kill them all” is a war crime. Striking an unarmed boat full of unarmed people who are NOT terrorists is a war crime, even if the president lies and claims they are. 

Well, not sure where you get the raft thing from, and even then, the latest reporting is blowing this BS story out of the water. Get it? LOL

Now we are finding out that what really happened is that Hegseth gave one order from the start, which was to kill the narco terrorists' boats... and the Admiral made the decision that the boat was not destroyed and finished it off. 

There was no such second order given to go back and finish off any survivors, as was first wrongfully reported. 

Also, again, it is no more a crime to say "kill them all" here than it is to say "kill them all" when you are blowing up that fuel truck going to resupply the tanks. 

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

You’re such a shameless liar, this is what you’ve reduced yourself to.  Aren’t you even a little bit embarrassed?

You are the one who keeps pushing this conspiracy theory that everyone in the military, from the Secretary of War down to the pilots blowing up these boats, is all in some elaborate cover-up to blow up innocent families out enjoying a picnic on their sailboat. 

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

They don’t go from Venezuela to USA. Sure SOME drugs (if that’s even what is on those boats) might end up there but mostly what passes through Venezuela gets dispersed to other Caribbean and Latin countries before being further dispersed over the rest of the world. It’s a global market. Typical American thinks everything is about him. 

So, first you play dumb, then you double down on it, then in the next sentence admit I was right. And again, if you read the rationale here, it is not just to stop the drugs from coming to America, but to disrupt the funding for the terrorist operations. Because even if they sell the drugs around the world, that is still the money fueling their overall operations; those are still the boats fueling the drug trade. 

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Nope just facts you can’t handle 

Nope. 
 

[robosmith]

On 12/2/2025 at 6:01 PM, WestCanMan said:

If you're perfectly healthy then you don't need the jabs at all. You truly are a dipshit if you're actually healthy and taking the jabs. 

You're AN lDIOT pretending to be an MD.

My friend's brother was perfectly healthy, caught COVID (probably on a jet from Africa) BEFORE the vax,  and spent TWO WEEKS in a hospital ICU on a ventilator. 

He was one of the LUCKY 20% who got out alive.

So as usual you don't know what you're talking about.

[BeaverFever]

On 12/4/2025 at 12:30 AM, User said:

You want it both ways; you want to lie about what Trump said and then cry when I actually provide you with what Trump actually said. 

I didn’t lie about what Trump said. I correctly pointed out that YOU can’t even explain Trump’s arguments in your own words. 
 

On 12/4/2025 at 12:30 AM, User said:

Wow. So, combat doesn't actually mean "combat" like you were trying to say. Now all of a sudden you get how this works... Narco terrorists running drugs to "fuel" their operations is no different a target on the battlefield than a crew driving a fuel truck to tanks is.

LMAO Wrong. You can’t possibly believe your own horeshit. A tank firing at someone is combat. People supporting that tank are participating in the combat but only because they are part of the tank’s combat . “Running drugs”  is not combat. Exactly what “operations” do you think the dugs “fuel?”  Drugs IS the operation    You cannot point to any of these alleged “narco-terrorists” actually targeting and killing and Americans which is exactly why they’re not terrorists and it’s not combat  

 

On 12/4/2025 at 12:30 AM, User said:

No one is firing at anyone on the highway to refuel the tank either... It is just a truck driving down the road!

As above. You can’t honestly be this stupid.

 

On 12/4/2025 at 12:30 AM, User said:

So... you are back to the stupid argument that there is no such thing as drug cartels?

Nobody said there are no drug cartels  You seem to be suggesting all drug cartels are “narco terrorists” now  

If so,Trump just pardoned a major drug cartel kingpin, one of the worst in fact, because he has MAGA connections like most of the world’s villains.  Republicans have a long history supporting drug cartels going back to Reagan.  So are you saying republicans support narco-terrorists ?

If not then explain why these particular Venezuelans are “narco-terrorists” but not the cartels Trump and Republicans supported   What is so different?  This is what I asked you already and you dodged  

 

On 12/4/2025 at 12:30 AM, User said:

No, you were the one who tried to claim that the military blindly follows orders and we would never know otherwise... yet, here we are, talking about it. 

The military follows orders that come directly from the president that’s a fact of law.    If they break a law while doing so we only find out when there’s an unauthorized leak and there usually is one.

On 12/4/2025 at 12:30 AM, User said:

Well, not sure where you get the raft thing from, and even then, the latest reporting is blowing this BS story out of the water. Get it? LOL

Now we are finding out that what really happened is that Hegseth gave one order from the start, which was to kill the narco terrorists' boats... and the Admiral made the decision that the boat was not destroyed and finished it off. 

There was no such second order given to go back and finish off any survivors, as was first wrongfully reported. 

Also, again, it is no more a crime to say "kill them all" here than it is to say "kill them all" when you are blowing up that fuel truck going to resupply the tanks. 

The crime was most clearly committed by the officer who decided to go for the second kill. Hegseth’s statement of “kill them all” which everyone understands he said at the beginning not after the first strike is just negligent and incompetent at most but what else do you expect from someone who has absolutely ZERO qualifications for the job.  As for he statement they were shooting at the wreckage not the people clinging to it that’s absurd. That’s like a 9/11 hijacker saying they were just trying to damage the plane not hurt the people on board. 
 

On 12/4/2025 at 12:30 AM, User said:

You are the one who keeps pushing this conspiracy theory that everyone in the military, from the Secretary of War down to the pilots blowing up these boats, is all in some elaborate cover-up to blow up innocent families out enjoying a picnic on their sailboat. 

Keep repeating your lies, liar. Look at what you’ve become. 
 

On 12/4/2025 at 12:30 AM, User said:

So, first you play dumb, then you double down on it, then in the next sentence admit I was right. And again, if you read the rationale here, it is not just to stop the drugs from coming to America, but to disrupt the funding for the terrorist operations. Because even if they sell the drugs around the world, that is still the money fueling their overall operations; those are still the boats fueling the drug trade. 

LOL WHAT GIBBERISH ARE YOU SPOUTING?

 What terrorist operations ?  In one breath you say the dtug trade is funding “terrorist operations”. What terrorist operations. Who are they attacking with terrorism?
 

Then in  another breath you seem to suggest that the trade IS the terrorist operation because drugs are bad and people can die from them. But you continue to dodge the question. 
 

LOOK if you can show me that these people are funnelling money to Al Qaeda or something and being ised to attack Americans then your arguments and your silly tank analogy would have some merit but you keep talking in circles amd you can’t describe a single act of actual terrorism or a single way these people are attacking Americans and that’s a fact. 
 

Amd Now Trump has seized an oil tanker for reasons he won’t explain and his fighters are buzzing the Venezuelan shoreline. 
 

We all know Trump is going to invade Venezuela that’s what all this BS is about.  The White House is engineering a coup by anti-Maduro forces and the US will invade to “stabilize”  the country. That is what’s going to happen and he hilariously thinks he deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. He will have to settle for the fake award he got from his little crony at FIFA. 

[User]

45 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

I didn’t lie about what Trump said. I correctly pointed out that YOU can’t even explain Trump’s arguments in your own words. 

Yeah, you did. You played it off as if Trump just rolled over in bed one morning and said these are terrorists, go kill them. That is not what happened at all. 

I can explain this in my own words just fine, but why not give you the actual reasoning since you are woefully ignorant of it or simply do not care to be honest about it...

 

 

46 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

LMAO Wrong. You can’t possibly believe your own horeshit. A tank firing at someone is combat. People supporting that tank are participating in the combat but only because they are part of the tank’s combat . “Running drugs”  is not combat. Exactly what “operations” do you think the dugs “fuel?”  Drugs IS the operation    You cannot point to any of these alleged “narco-terrorists” actually targeting and killing and Americans which is exactly why they’re not terrorists and it’s not combat  

Once again, you have to change the argument dishonestly... it was not tanks firing at someone. It was just a few poor, innocent, unarmed guys in a fuel truck driving down the highway! 

Running drugs is just as much combat as the poor innocent guys driving the fuel truck are. 

See, here you are asking what operations this fuel performs when I gave you the link to the White House declarations that explained this.Those drugs fuel the Narco Terrorists organizations to keep peddling their drugs killing Americans, to keep fueling their criminal enterprises in America where they engage in crime harming Americans as well as human traficking, etc... 

You can't point to any of those poor innocent fuel truck drivers actually targeting and killing Americans! 

50 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Nobody said there are no drug cartels

Oh...  so, you were wrong: "His made up claims don’t prove his made up claims. "

51 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

The military follows orders that come directly from the president that’s a fact of law.    If they break a law while doing so we only find out when there’s an unauthorized leak and there usually is one.

They follow lawful orders. That is not the only way we find out at all. More hasty generalizations. 

53 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

The crime was most clearly committed by the officer who decided to go for the second kill.

How is that a crime? They went back to finish destroying the boat. Here you are again, defending the Nazi fuel trucks going to the tanks...

54 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Hegseth’s statement of “kill them all” which everyone understands he said at the beginning not after the first strike is just negligent and incompetent at most but what else do you expect from someone who has absolutely ZERO qualifications for the job.

There was no kill them all order. 
 

 

55 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Keep repeating your lies, liar. Look at what you’ve become. 

You are the one defending narco terrorists... 

55 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

LOL WHAT GIBBERISH ARE YOU SPOUTING?

 What terrorist operations ?  In one breath you say the dtug trade is funding “terrorist operations”. What terrorist operations. Who are they attacking with terrorism?

Try reading the link I gave you...

 

56 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Amd Now Trump has seized an oil tanker for reasons he won’t explain and his fighters are buzzing the Venezuelan shoreline. 

Do you ever do any actual research on these issues other than listening to and mindlessly parroting whatever left-wing source you have?

This has been explained. 

57 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

We all know Trump is going to invade Venezuela that’s what all this BS is about.  The White House is engineering a coup by anti-Maduro forces and the US will invade to “stabilize”  the country. That is what’s going to happen and he hilariously thinks he deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. He will have to settle for the fake award he got from his little crony at FIFA. 

Invade? WTF are we invading with? There is no invasion force. Are you a big Maduro supporter now too? You want him in power as a dictator?

 

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

As above. You can’t honestly be this stupid.

You give L@User way too much credit.