Biden immigration policies under fire after illegal immigrant with prior DUIs charged in 14-year-old's death

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Nothing justifies it. 

Systems thinking aims to reduce it on a wholesale level. 

So, that's just how it works

No. How it works is, when there's a problem, you solve it.

In this case, you put the criminal in jail, or deport, or both.

[User]

16 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

No. How it works is, when there's a problem, you solve it.

In this case, you put the criminal in jail, or deport, or both.

Unless they don’t want to solve it…. 
 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, User said:

1. What systems thinking?

2. The point here is that Biden and leftists support the open borders lawlessness that leads to these situations.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systems_thinking

2. Any leader that supports lawlessness is a traitor.  So from your POV, Biden is a criminal and you should work to have him arrested.  None of my explanations of systems thinking apply in this case.

33 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

No. How it works is, when there's a problem, you solve it.

In this case, you put the criminal in jail, or deport, or both.

Yes, and the detailed discussion would cover the "how".

[User]

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. Any leader that supports lawlessness is a traitor.

Is this your position here? 
 

6 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

So from your POV, Biden is a criminal and you should work to have him arrested. 

Instead of fabricating things I have not said, why don’t you instead try to respond to things I have. I mean, maybe employ some of that “systems thinking” of yours here.

 

[Michael Hardner]

14 minutes ago, User said:

1. Is this your position here? 
 

2. Instead of fabricating things I have not said, why don’t you instead try to respond to things I have. I mean, maybe employ some of that “systems thinking” of yours here.

 

1. Absolutely.

2. I know you didn't say it, I'm drawing a conclusion from the principles, and facts as you see them.  The conclusion is mine alone.

 

[User]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Absolutely.

2. I know you didn't say it, I'm drawing a conclusion from the principles, and facts as you see them.  The conclusion is mine alone.

 

1. So, then it, it’s your position Biden is a traitor?

2. No, you are not. If I didn’t say it, then what principles and facts are you sitting here basing saying that is how I see them?

enough of these dumb games of yours. 

[Michael Hardner]

13 minutes ago, User said:

1. So, then it, it’s your position Biden is a traitor?

2. No, you are not. If I didn’t say it, then what principles and facts are you sitting here basing saying that is how I see them?

3. enough of these dumb games of yours. 

1. No, I don't share your opinion that he supports lawlessness.

2. The fact that the President promoted lawlessness is where we differ.

3. You don't accept the concept of subjectivity and so trying to discuss politics or really anything is like talking about sunsets with a colour blind person.

[User]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. No, I don't share your opinion that he supports lawlessness.

Not my opinion. It’s the whole point of this discussion. These are simple facts, that Biden did not really enforce our border or immigration laws and the Democrtic party in general where they have power support sanctuary city policies that ignore illegal immigration as well as known criminals, refusing to cooperate with ICE. 
 

These things are called facts, not opinions.

6 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. The fact that the President promoted lawlessness is where we differ.

Sure, then stick to this instead of making up stuff I didn’t say or views I have not said. 
 

See above, it’s a simple fact to point out all the ways Biden undermined immigration laws and failed to enforce them.

8 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

3. You don't accept the concept of subjectivity and so trying to discuss politics or really anything is like talking about sunsets with a colour blind person.

Where did I say I don’t accept subjectivity? 
 

Here we are once again. You sit here going down these obfuscation paths where you will spend all day trying to argue about semantics of the argument instead of ever addressing the actual discussion point or making up things to argue against. 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systems_thinking

2. Any leader that supports lawlessness is a traitor.  So from your POV, Biden is a criminal and you should work to have him arrested.  None of my explanations of systems thinking apply in this case.

Yes, and the detailed discussion would cover the "how".

Are you saying the repeated crimes against the American people, are worth the cost to have cheap labour? I hope not.

Biden is a brainless twit. Those in that administration are the criminals and they are being raked over the coals. As should the great hopey-changey liar, Obama.

In order to have a detailed discussion, you would have to drop the TDS. Can you?

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

You don't accept the concept of subjectivity and so trying to discuss politics or really anything is like talking about sunsets with a colour blind person.

There is nothing subjective here. And illegal alien got drunk, drove a vehicle he should not have been driving, and splattered a kid all over the road.

So I ask again...

What the fck is wrong with you?

[User]

17 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

There is nothing subjective here. And illegal alien got drunk, drove a vehicle he should not have been driving, and splattered a kid all over the road.

So I ask again...

What the fck is wrong with you?

It’s amazing how hard it is for them to simply acknowledge basic facts or even speak directly to the point here.

I mean, I know why… 

 

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, User said:

It’s amazing how hard it is for them to simply acknowledge basic facts or even speak directly to the point here.

I mean, I know why… 

 

That's what happens when one feels compelled by hatred, to defend the indefensible.