Caledonia problem didnt arise overnight

[Jerry J. Fortin]

People like you shall reap what they sew. You are a racist and you think you are better than us. I shall undertake a little initiative from this day forward. I will speak against your interests. I will gather political support to begin to give you the self government you want and all the while I will speak against funding for the first nations peoples. You are not Canadian and deserve no Canadian money. Money is nothing to you and that is what you shall receive, nothing. Land is everything to you and of that you shall receive nothing. All because you are not Canadian and deserve nothing from Canadians.

It is a fools arguement that you have created and you shall pay for it far more than your father and his father before him. The actions you have undertaken shall be your undoing. When the public finds out what your agenda really is, any support you may have had will evaporate. The words you speak will cease to have any meaning to those in authority and your fears will begin to rule your lives, all because you percieve yourselves entitled and superior to your neigbors.

[Okwaho]

People like you shall reap what they sew. You are a racist and you think you are better than us. I shall undertake a little initiative from this day forward. I will speak against your interests. I will gather political support to begin to give you the self government you want and all the while I will speak against funding for the first nations peoples. You are not Canadian and deserve no Canadian money. Money is nothing to you and that is what you shall receive, nothing. Land is everything to you and of that you shall receive nothing. All because you are not Canadian and deserve nothing from Canadians.

It is a fools arguement that you have created and you shall pay for it far more than your father and his father before him. The actions you have undertaken shall be your undoing. When the public finds out what your agenda really is, any support you may have had will evaporate. The words you speak will cease to have any meaning to those in authority and your fears will begin to rule your lives, all because you percieve yourselves entitled and superior to your neigbors.

Please, save your bogus rhetoric for for those willing to swallow your disseminating doctrine. Your opinion of me being a racist is unsubstantiated. Do you feel you are superior to your American neigbors?

[Tsi Nikayen' Enonhne']

She:kon! Jerry,

That sounds either like a threat or a vex.......ha ha ha ha ha!

When the public finds out what your agenda really is, any support you may have had will evaporate.

There are quite a few non-native Canadians who know what our agenda is and they agree with us. Far more than a cheap-labour conservative like you could imagine! They strengthen our cause.

I speak for myself and no one else. However it has been suggested on many occassions that many agree with me, including many non-natives who are tired of the status quo. Many of them have awakened from the typical Canadian stupour to find that we were right all along and now they stand with us, not against us.

You are virtually alone in your opinion and you hardly repesent a fraction of common opinion. Most fair minded people want this inequity settled once and for all. No more government stalling. No more aboriginal disparity. No more apartheid!

We also have Nunavut which defines one of the solutions, although we are not prone to becoming citizens of a non-country with less rights then we currently enjoy.

O:nen

[Who's Doing What?]

Are you sure you told these "supporters" about the whole getting evicted from their homes, thing?

[Riverwind]

Are you sure you told these "supporters" about the whole getting evicted from their homes, thing?

The scary thing is there are some benighted souls that honestly believe that if the gov't does not compensate the people being evicted then it is the fault of the gov't - not the Six Nations. The fact that it could cost 1.5 trillion to compensate these people does not seem to make a difference. My guess is they failed math at school.

[Tsi Nikayen' Enonhne']

She:kon!

Are you sure you told these "supporters" about the whole getting evicted from their homes, thing?

They know that they can eat at our table anytime they want. They won't be evicted. They'll be the first to pledge allegiance to the Great Tree of Peace.

O:nen

[ponyboy]

What? Europeans came here to live off of us and we helped them to survive here. We didn't force them to be like us, we shared our food, knowledge and natural resources with them out of sheer kindness. We assisted them with their wars. If you're glad to be a Canadian you have us to thank for that! It has nothing to do with racial superiority, it's called the same friendship and gratitude in return. Your statement is like me saying to you; if you don't like the fact that we wish to retain what belongs to us, then get on a plane, boat or what ever and go back to Europe where you came from!

1. You are living in the past. I'm sure Russia regrets selling Alaska too. It is simply too late to say "pay up or get out". The world has arrived, and it is not leaving.

2. You speak of all your people shared with the Europeans as you type on your computer, using electricity, inside your heated home, wearing european style clothing, and spending european style money, none of which you would have without the europeans arrival in North America.

3. If it has nothing to do racial superiority, why are only natives given land? It has been shown, Natives are people who came, not only from Asia across the land bridge, but also from Europe.(search:Clovis point) Most likely across the frozen North Atlantic. So if I can trace my ancestry back to those Europeans, or someone else trace their history to the Asians, who first arrived here and became the "Natives" shouldn't I or they also get some land? Since before the europeans came over to North america, the entire population of european humans at one point had only 6 or so women, a lot of people could be entitled to land. Actually if we go back far enough, we're all cousins anyway. So in that light, everyone is just as entittled to the land as everyone else.

4. Staging roadblocks, causing property damage and bullying police, does nothing to further the native's cause. For every roadblock that goes up and zealous non-native that joins your movement, 50 or 100 other Canadians, shake their heads with disgust and embarrassment. I know that if it had been a bunch of Scottish, English and Irish descended Canadians, the military would have been sent in to kick their bloody arses. The cops would have used tear gas and riot gear instead of being intimidated into doing nothing. If the Natives rock the boat too hard you will lose all the extra liberties you have. How would you like to pay Taxes? Or pay for your hunting and fishing licenses? The natives have some pretty good perks, why would you want to risk them?

Why would she respond when, as she pointed out, you were rude.

There are legal realities here that you seem unaware of.

The government of Canada is in negotiations with Six Nations because they have a valid land claim for land granted to them, taken by Canada "in trust", and not paid for.

Here's a legal reality for you.

Ain't gonna happen.

How's that?

So when the Natives are done alienating the entire nation and we vote in a govt that promises to "deal with the native issue" and the govt. eliminates all the privilages natives currently enjoy, and does away with all treaties, where will the natives be?

The only reason a 300 yr old claim is given any consideration of validity is because enough of the populace believes it is important. If you alienate everyone, you lose the only thing you had going for you.

You want reality Who's doing what.Check out Haida Gwi,check out the new treaty with the Niska pardon my spelling,those treaties should be the model.Are you an American?You sound like that great yankee hero custer.Go shovel your B.S somewhere else,your paranoia tires me.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

People like you shall reap what they sew. You are a racist and you think you are better than us. I shall undertake a little initiative from this day forward. I will speak against your interests. I will gather political support to begin to give you the self government you want and all the while I will speak against funding for the first nations peoples. You are not Canadian and deserve no Canadian money. Money is nothing to you and that is what you shall receive, nothing. Land is everything to you and of that you shall receive nothing. All because you are not Canadian and deserve nothing from Canadians.

It is a fools arguement that you have created and you shall pay for it far more than your father and his father before him. The actions you have undertaken shall be your undoing. When the public finds out what your agenda really is, any support you may have had will evaporate. The words you speak will cease to have any meaning to those in authority and your fears will begin to rule your lives, all because you percieve yourselves entitled and superior to your neigbors.

Please, save your bogus rhetoric for for those willing to swallow your disseminating doctrine. Your opinion of me being a racist is unsubstantiated. Do you feel you are superior to your American neigbors?

Unsubstantiated, really? Haven't you said that you believe you have rights that other Canadians do not have based solely upon your racial heritage? Now consider your answer carefully in the context of the legal definition of racism.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

She:kon! Jerry,

That sounds either like a threat or a vex.......ha ha ha ha ha!

When the public finds out what your agenda really is, any support you may have had will evaporate.

There are quite a few non-native Canadians who know what our agenda is and they agree with us. Far more than a cheap-labour conservative like you could imagine! They strengthen our cause.

I speak for myself and no one else. However it has been suggested on many occassions that many agree with me, including many non-natives who are tired of the status quo. Many of them have awakened from the typical Canadian stupour to find that we were right all along and now they stand with us, not against us.

You are virtually alone in your opinion and you hardly repesent a fraction of common opinion. Most fair minded people want this inequity settled once and for all. No more government stalling. No more aboriginal disparity. No more apartheid!

We also have Nunavut which defines one of the solutions, although we are not prone to becoming citizens of a non-country with less rights then we currently enjoy.

O:nen

Your agenda is to extort the citizens of Canada for the sins of our fathers, you attempt to play upon our goodwill. That is your choice, my choice is to oppose your views and gather support as you have done as well to support your opinions.

I choose to stand, alone if necessary because I blieve in what I say. Some may agree with me and some may not, that is their right. In a simple point of fact I no of nobody who would choose to support your views my friend. I have only three native friends, two of them at work. They all work and all live off of the reserves and are all educated men. None of them take your side as of yesterday at any rate. They work for a living and pay taxes like the rest of Canadians. Your race has chosen to turn your backs on them because they are Metis, that is your choice.

Most fair minded people do wish a resolution to the problems this society encounters within the framework of dealing with our aboriginal peoples. You on the other hand choose to believe you are not Canadian, so you are not in my opinion entitled to a damned thing from this nation of Canada. That is your choice.

[Tsi Nikayen' Enonhne']

She:kon! Jerry,

First of all Metis are not native. They are Metis and they only exist through the recogntion of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

On the other hand I have many more real native friends and probably just as many non-native friends as you do. I am self-employed, earn a substantial living and live off territory. I don't pay taxes because I am not Canadian and my Nation doesn't use a tax system. However, I do rent an office on reserve, employ local people and try as much as possible to buy in the community. On the other hand Canadians have been duped into paying personal taxes since the 2nd world war implementation as a temporary war effort. Now your government and the bureaucrats that extract priviledge from their positions are addicted to your tax dollars.

We all pay our dues in one way or another.

Most fair minded people, to which I wouldn't count you in those numbers see the inequity and illegal land grabs the government has made over the years and like us want to see restoration in some form or fashion. Your refusal to see the consequences of your position, make you the least fairminded here, save and except Riverwind who admits his bias because he is a Conservative and well it is just their nature to hate everyone..equally.

The final resolution doesn't concern you and as a Canadian without the ability to even elect people that represent you to government, you are essentially impotent in being able to sway official opinion on this matter. While your tantrums and pedantic retorts are entertaining, in the end they really mean nothing.

On the other side of that same coin, because our governance model requires the negotiators to come back to us frequently, for our advice and ratification, I have all kinds of influence in how the end result pans out. Certainly my being heard in the community is an important influence but not any more so than being able to listen clearly to what other's have stated and then provide an agreeable suggestion to resolve the problem to the consensus of the community. THAT is real representation.

So you can babble on all you want. You can stomp your feet and cry foul. In the end you are just a singlular dude without any say in the outcome, and according to the way your aristrocratic / autocratic system operates, when this is all done your MP's and MPP's will tell you what they decided without your consent. No doubt the way things are going at the table, you may not be too happy while we'll be delighted! There is no appeal, no impeachment process nor any complaints department for your government. Your best bet is only to elect someone else whenever Harper gets around to calling another election. Next time you might want to vote Green Party as your vote will means just as much going to a non-status party than it does to an official one.

O:nen

[Riverwind]

The final resolution doesn't concern you and as a Canadian without the ability to even elect people that represent you to government, you are essentially impotent in being able to sway official opinion on this matter. While your tantrums and pedantic retorts are entertaining, in the end they really mean nothing.

Answer these questions:

1) What will you do if the SCC rules that Six Nations surrendered the land legally in the 1800s and has no claim on the territory today? Will you just accept the result because it is 'the law'?

2) If you are not willing to accept a lawful ruling of the SCC that goes against Six Nations then please explain why any non-aboriginal Canadian should accept a ruling that goes in favour of Six Nations?

[Okwaho]

People like you shall reap what they sew. You are a racist and you think you are better than us. I shall undertake a little initiative from this day forward. I will speak against your interests. I will gather political support to begin to give you the self government you want and all the while I will speak against funding for the first nations peoples. You are not Canadian and deserve no Canadian money. Money is nothing to you and that is what you shall receive, nothing. Land is everything to you and of that you shall receive nothing. All because you are not Canadian and deserve nothing from Canadians.

It is a fools arguement that you have created and you shall pay for it far more than your father and his father before him. The actions you have undertaken shall be your undoing. When the public finds out what your agenda really is, any support you may have had will evaporate. The words you speak will cease to have any meaning to those in authority and your fears will begin to rule your lives, all because you percieve yourselves entitled and superior to your neigbors.

Please, save your bogus rhetoric for for those willing to swallow your disseminating doctrine. Your opinion of me being a racist is unsubstantiated. Do you feel you are superior to your American neigbors?

Unsubstantiated, really? Haven't you said that you believe you have rights that other Canadians do not have based solely upon your racial heritage? Now consider your answer carefully in the context of the legal definition of racism.

Your the one saying that it's based on race because you can't deal with the truth. It's based solely on the fact that we are the indigenous inhabitors and the colonists made agreements with us. Pauline Johnson's mother Emily was English and adopted into the Mohawk Nation, Mary Jemison was also English and adopted by the Senecas and there were hundreds more. They were entitled to the same benefits and agreements as the rest of the Nations! Racism? I think not!!!

[Tsi Nikayen' Enonhne']

She:kon! Riverwind,

1) What will you do if the SCC rules that Six Nations surrendered the land legally in the 1800s and has no claim on the territory today? Will you just accept the result because it is 'the law'?

The Supreme Court of Canada has no standng in Kayenke.

2) If you are not willing to accept a lawful ruling of the SCC that goes against Six Nations then please explain why any non-aboriginal Canadian should accept a ruling that goes in favour of Six Nations?

There will be no rulings in Canada either. The result will be an international treaty, enforceable upon each nation by their own rules and enforcements. You have no choice in accepting what your politicians dictate - you gave then a mandate to do anything they want. In addition as with current treaties with First Nations or the Free Trade agreement as example, a succeeding government government cannot throw out a preceding government's agreements without following the mechanism for dissolving them. In any case the failure to abide by treaties, means that all lands revert back to 100% First Nations' control and Canada must vacate forthwith.

Get this one point....if that is all you are capable. Haudenosaunee Confederacy are not Canadian. Our recognition by the Crown puts us in a nation to nation relationship with Canada. Our sovereignty is above that of Canada, (since Canada is not a sovereign nation) and makes us direct allies with the Crown and her comptroller, the British Government. We are also allied with the US and any number of other countries in the world. Nothing Canada dictates affects us and it is only through the offers of peace, friendship and goodwill that we assist them or they us. No ruling , no law of your petty government has any force and effect because we are not Canadian and never will we be enticed to join you in your pathetic myth of nationhood.

O:nen

[Who's Doing What?]

What? Europeans came here to live off of us and we helped them to survive here. We didn't force them to be like us, we shared our food, knowledge and natural resources with them out of sheer kindness. We assisted them with their wars. If you're glad to be a Canadian you have us to thank for that! It has nothing to do with racial superiority, it's called the same friendship and gratitude in return. Your statement is like me saying to you; if you don't like the fact that we wish to retain what belongs to us, then get on a plane, boat or what ever and go back to Europe where you came from!

1. You are living in the past. I'm sure Russia regrets selling Alaska too. It is simply too late to say "pay up or get out". The world has arrived, and it is not leaving.

2. You speak of all your people shared with the Europeans as you type on your computer, using electricity, inside your heated home, wearing european style clothing, and spending european style money, none of which you would have without the europeans arrival in North America.

3. If it has nothing to do racial superiority, why are only natives given land? It has been shown, Natives are people who came, not only from Asia across the land bridge, but also from Europe.(search:Clovis point) Most likely across the frozen North Atlantic. So if I can trace my ancestry back to those Europeans, or someone else trace their history to the Asians, who first arrived here and became the "Natives" shouldn't I or they also get some land? Since before the europeans came over to North america, the entire population of european humans at one point had only 6 or so women, a lot of people could be entitled to land. Actually if we go back far enough, we're all cousins anyway. So in that light, everyone is just as entittled to the land as everyone else.

4. Staging roadblocks, causing property damage and bullying police, does nothing to further the native's cause. For every roadblock that goes up and zealous non-native that joins your movement, 50 or 100 other Canadians, shake their heads with disgust and embarrassment. I know that if it had been a bunch of Scottish, English and Irish descended Canadians, the military would have been sent in to kick their bloody arses. The cops would have used tear gas and riot gear instead of being intimidated into doing nothing. If the Natives rock the boat too hard you will lose all the extra liberties you have. How would you like to pay Taxes? Or pay for your hunting and fishing licenses? The natives have some pretty good perks, why would you want to risk them?

Why would she respond when, as she pointed out, you were rude.

There are legal realities here that you seem unaware of.

The government of Canada is in negotiations with Six Nations because they have a valid land claim for land granted to them, taken by Canada "in trust", and not paid for.

Here's a legal reality for you.

Ain't gonna happen.

How's that?

So when the Natives are done alienating the entire nation and we vote in a govt that promises to "deal with the native issue" and the govt. eliminates all the privilages natives currently enjoy, and does away with all treaties, where will the natives be?

The only reason a 300 yr old claim is given any consideration of validity is because enough of the populace believes it is important. If you alienate everyone, you lose the only thing you had going for you.

You want reality Who's doing what.Check out Haida Gwi,check out the new treaty with the Niska pardon my spelling,those treaties should be the model.Are you an American?You sound like that great yankee hero custer.Go shovel your B.S somewhere else,your paranoia tires me.

Here's reality for ya. Nobody I know is going to let some 300yr old scrap of paper make them leave their homes, when they have a Property Tax receipt for LAST YEAR.

Here's more reality for ya. When enough people want to just do away with the treaties, we will elect a govt. to do it.

Here's some more reality for ya. If the Natives become even more militant and demanding they will end up with less than they have now.

Have a nice reality check.

[Who's Doing What?]

She:kon! Riverwind,

1) What will you do if the SCC rules that Six Nations surrendered the land legally in the 1800s and has no claim on the territory today? Will you just accept the result because it is 'the law'?

The Supreme Court of Canada has no standng in Kayenke.

2) If you are not willing to accept a lawful ruling of the SCC that goes against Six Nations then please explain why any non-aboriginal Canadian should accept a ruling that goes in favour of Six Nations?

There will be no rulings in Canada either. The result will be an international treaty, enforceable upon each nation by their own rules and enforcements. You have no choice in accepting what your politicians dictate - you gave then a mandate to do anything they want. In addition as with current treaties with First Nations or the Free Trade agreement as example, a succeeding government government cannot throw out a preceding government's agreements without following the mechanism for dissolving them. In any case the failure to abide by treaties, means that all lands revert back to 100% First Nations' control and Canada must vacate forthwith.

Get this one point....if that is all you are capable. Haudenosaunee Confederacy are not Canadian. Our recognition by the Crown puts us in a nation to nation relationship with Canada. Our sovereignty is above that of Canada, (since Canada is not a sovereign nation) and makes us direct allies with the Crown and her comptroller, the British Government. We are also allied with the US and any number of other countries in the world. Nothing Canada dictates affects us and it is only through the offers of peace, friendship and goodwill that we assist them or they us. No ruling , no law of your petty government has any force and effect because we are not Canadian and never will we be enticed to join you in your pathetic myth of nationhood.

O:nen

Too bad your not Canadian. Because Canada is a great country.

HOLD ON ONE COTTON PICKIN" MINUTE!!!!!

If you are not Canadian, the country wants all it's money back. The social assistance cheques, mothers allowance, disability pensions, old age pensions and any other money the natives have recieved, INCLUDING the $5 every Native has been recieving every year.

So when the Native community can hand back a few hundred million, perhaps as much as a billion dollars, in cash, we can all start this conversation again.

Until then YOU are CANADIANS, and should be subject to everything else other canadians are.

[Riverwind]

Nothing Canada dictates affects us and it is only through the offers of peace, friendship and goodwill that we assist them or they us. No ruling , no law of your petty government has any force and effect because we are not Canadian and never will we be enticed to join you in your pathetic myth of nationhood.

I realize that you are quite thick and have trouble grasping some basic concepts but you keep setting new standards in obtuseness. I will make it very simple.

Canada has something Six Nations wants. Canada is not going to give it to Six Nations no matter what the laws or Six Nations, Britain or any other country say. What is Six Nations going to do about that?

[Tsi Nikayen' Enonhne']

She:kon!

Since thick and slimy is your fortay I'll repeat it once more.

Six Nations already has an agreement in principle that all the lands in the Haldimand Tract belong to us. We have something Canada wants - the people....all 500,000 of them that if removed from your tax base will create some major financial headaches. We're not negotiationg for the land as it is something we already have possession of.

Tell "What's his name" that an election won't solve a thing. The government has no authority. Only the Crown can come to us to open negotiations on the land. And if he wants to use violence against us, then bring it on. I'm not afraid of some out-of touch Toronto hick holding a fork in his own defense......

O:nen

[Riverwind]

Six Nations already has an agreement in principle that all the lands in the Haldimand Tract belong to us.

Prove it - where is this agreement in principal? If your legal case was so air tight then you would have never needed to blockade the Caledonia development.

[Okwaho]

I'm not answering for 'Tsi Nikayen' Enonhne I'd just like to post my own answer.

Too bad your not Canadian. Because Canada is a great country.

You don't have to be a Canadian to know Kanata is a great country. People visit Kanata from all around the world. From our ancestors to the present our people have given their lives in its defence.

The same cannot be said for some of its inhabitants. Under the guise of racism they wittingly seek to commit genocide on the country's indigenous people. They accuse us of thinking we're more superior then they when all the while they are of the opinion that we must conform to their standards. They discuss how easily their laws can be changed at their whim yet, rather than standing up to that government and demanding the imposed tax under the war measures act be abolished they complain that we don't pay taxes. They object to centuries old agreements between our governments that are recognized and affirmed within their modern constitution but, don't seem to mind the agreements with governments of other nations they pour money into. They accuse us of breaking the law while they disregard them. They seek to chastise us for standing up to their government when they don't have the courage to.

HOLD ON ONE COTTON PICKIN" MINUTE!!!!!

If you are not Canadian, the country wants all it's money back. The social assistance cheques, mothers allowance, disability pensions, old age pensions and any other money the natives have recieved, INCLUDING the $5 every Native has been recieving every year.

So when the Native community can hand back a few hundred million, perhaps as much as a billion dollars, in cash, we can all start this conversation again.

Until then YOU are CANADIANS, and should be subject to everything else other canadians are.

O.K. deal! You can collect the over $250 billion that a former Mayor of Brantford publicly stated they owe us on land leases in Brantford alone. Thats were the money comes from it's not a "hand out".

When you collect it there'll be no need for this conversation. Gate 3 is now boarding for Europe don't miss your flight!

[Okwaho]

Nothing Canada dictates affects us and it is only through the offers of peace, friendship and goodwill that we assist them or they us. No ruling , no law of your petty government has any force and effect because we are not Canadian and never will we be enticed to join you in your pathetic myth of nationhood.

I realize that you are quite thick and have trouble grasping some basic concepts but you keep setting new standards in obtuseness. I will make it very simple.

Canada has something Six Nations wants. Canada is not going to give it to Six Nations no matter what the laws or Six Nations, Britain or any other country say. What is Six Nations going to do about that?

So what you're saying is Canada disregards it own laws and will take what they want when they want it?

Don't many Canadians say that's what the United States does!

[Okwaho]

Six Nations already has an agreement in principle that all the lands in the Haldimand Tract belong to us.

Prove it - where is this agreement in principal? If your legal case was so air tight then you would have never needed to blockade the Caledonia development.

If it wasn't why would your government want to settle the matter out of court?

[Riverwind]

They accuse us of thinking we're more superior then they when all the while they are of the opinion that we must conform to their standards.

You and your friends are native supremacists who are so obsessed with your own ethnic identity that you can no longer see other people as human beings - you just see them as slaves to extort money and land from. If this was not true then you would be able to understand the other side of the argument and you would acknowledge that a political compromise is the only solution.

They discuss how easily their laws can be changed at their whim yet, rather than standing up to that government and demanding the imposed tax under the war measures act be abolished they complain that we don't pay taxes.

Taxes pay for services. People may complain about taxes but they get services in return. Natives demand the same services (and more) from the gov't yet do not pay taxes. That is unfair. If you don't want to pay the taxes then you should not receive the services.

They object to centuries old agreements between our governments that are recognized and affirmed within their modern constitution but, don't seem to mind the agreements with governments of other nations they pour money into.

Gov't have a duty to protect the public interest. It is not in the public interest to give ridiculous land settlements to tiny groups of people with big chips on their shoulders.

[Tsi Nikayen' Enonhne']

She:kon!

Ah...the whining of the cheap labour conservatives......

We're hardly supremists given that fact that we have welcomed and continue to welcome people from all over the world to Kayenke. We even let you come here and multiply considering the fact that your distorted worldview is one based on violence and inequality....and then you cry about "fairness". What a joke that is.....

I understand the other side of the problem well. Your problem is that you are incapable of seeing our side of it because your distorted worldview breaks it up in to "us and them" thinking and when it is for OUR benefit as "them" then YOU as "us" must be losing something. That cheap-labour mentality makes you fear your losses and regardless of the end payout, you can only see the immediate loss.

I know your thinking system well. I know that it is totally based on myth and fear and with a careful word or two either is easily invoked. I know that you have been mass-conditioned to be a "worker" feeding the public trough and through them ultimately slaving for big business. I know that you are often frustrated by your own inability to get ahead, thinking that if you just work a little harder or a little longer you will be more comfortable and secure. I know that your children have no support community as the result of your making latch-key kids out of them. They are going through their own turmoil right now and they are blaming you for it too! I know that you think having lots of money in the bank is your security yet you have no idea what you could eat in the wild if the bank suddenly closed. You are a missfit, and an worrier and without someone's reassurance from those around you, you often lose your identity.

I understand your myths as a western anglo-european Christian thinker and the fears that the insitutions instilled in you. I understand the backward mentality of your upbringing, being a left-over from the me-generation and using others for your own self-gratification.

Yes I understand the otherside. Your belief and your assertions of Canadianship are myths which do not resemble your illegal status, your insecurity or your lack of ownership of everything. And dispite all of that you are also a liar having previously said you would no longer respond to me. However, I take no offense at your crimes, since you gained your penchant for lying from the the Church whose goal it was to subjagate you and make you a slave to them..."for your own good". And even though you have consciously detached yourself from them, you remain plagued with the dis-eases they gave you. So for your lie, you are forgiven and for your ignorance you are forgiven. An intelligent person would have easily recognized the gifts offered to them. A not so intelligent one, however, refuses the gifts and condemns the deliverer to his own misery.

O:nen

[Who's Doing What?]

I'm not answering for 'Tsi Nikayen' Enonhne I'd just like to post my own answer.

Too bad your not Canadian. Because Canada is a great country.

You don't have to be a Canadian to know Kanata is a great country. People visit Kanata from all around the world. From our ancestors to the present our people have given their lives in its defence.

The same cannot be said for some of its inhabitants. Under the guise of racism they wittingly seek to commit genocide on the country's indigenous people. They accuse us of thinking we're more superior then they when all the while they are of the opinion that we must conform to their standards. They discuss how easily their laws can be changed at their whim yet, rather than standing up to that government and demanding the imposed tax under the war measures act be abolished they complain that we don't pay taxes. They object to centuries old agreements between our governments that are recognized and affirmed within their modern constitution but, don't seem to mind the agreements with governments of other nations they pour money into. They accuse us of breaking the law while they disregard them. They seek to chastise us for standing up to their government when they don't have the courage to.

HOLD ON ONE COTTON PICKIN" MINUTE!!!!!

If you are not Canadian, the country wants all it's money back. The social assistance cheques, mothers allowance, disability pensions, old age pensions and any other money the natives have recieved, INCLUDING the $5 every Native has been recieving every year.

So when the Native community can hand back a few hundred million, perhaps as much as a billion dollars, in cash, we can all start this conversation again.

Until then YOU are CANADIANS, and should be subject to everything else other canadians are.

O.K. deal! You can collect the over $250 billion that a former Mayor of Brantford publicly stated they owe us on land leases in Brantford alone. Thats were the money comes from it's not a "hand out".

When you collect it there'll be no need for this conversation. Gate 3 is now boarding for Europe don't miss your flight!

I would like to see where the Mayor said this. Don't come on here quoting someone without the actual quote to back your self up.

$250 billion OK. And just how much is all the development in and around Brantford worth? $500 Billion? A trillion?

What ever you think the land is/was worth it is now worth more because of the development that non-natives have done. The Natives would have to re pay developemnt costs. Can you say trillions of dollars?

You can't win this argument. The non-natives of this country have invested their lives into improving and building this great nation, and there is no way they are going to let anyone, simply come in and take everything they have worked for. That seems to be a fact you choose to ignore. Even if every native in the country was mobilized and militarized it would not be enough.

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I would like to see where the Mayor said this. Don't come on here quoting someone without the actual quote to back your self up.

He is quoted in Brantford's newspaper the Expositor. If there is a place to post a scan here I'll gladly post it.

$250 billion OK. And just how much is all the development in and around Brantford worth? $500 Billion? A trillion?

What ever you think the land is/was worth it is now worth more because of the development that non-natives have done. The Natives would have to re pay developemnt costs. Can you say trillions of dollars

It doesn't matter what it's worth that the figure!

You can't win this argument. The non-natives of this country have invested their lives into improving and building this great nation, and there is no way they are going to let anyone, simply come in and take everything they have worked for. That seems to be a fact you choose to ignore. Even if every native in the country was mobilized and militarized it would not be enough.

I've already won this argument the minute your forefathers made agreements with mine!

I'm ignoring nothing you're just in denial because you can't live with yourself knowing the truth.