Director of Quebec non-profit daycare sued for $616,000

[Montgomery Burns]

3 employees of Quebec daycare sued for $616,000:

The former director of a non-profit daycare in Town of Mount Royal charged clothes, restaurant meals and spa visits to the daycare centre, a civil lawsuit filed in Quebec Superior Court alleges. The Centre de la petite enfance Mont Royal is seeking repayment of $616,049.43 jointly from former director Jeany Tsitsos, accounting secretary Karen Goldfield and Rejean Carbonneau, the chartered accountant who audited the centre’s books.

[...]

The CPE Mont Royal lawsuit alleges that a closer look at the daycare's $1.4-million annual budget and Tsitsos's spending from April 2004 to July 2005 might have uncovered:

$25,802 for restaurant meals

$19,827 for china

$13,107 for flowers

$12,475 for clothing

Goldfield helped the director cover up her purchases, the lawsuit alleges. Clothing bills, for example, were classified as "personal development" or "educational material," the lawsuit claims.

They are not guilty but this is one reason, the main reason being that parents should have childcare choice, why I distrust govt sticking their noses - financially - deeper and deeper into Canadian society. There has been a few Saskatchewan govt employees charged in the last few months for stealing from taxpayers (the lady from Social Services comes to mind--I think it was a million dollars). When someone is given gobs of "free" money, the temptation is always there to "nick" some for yourself.

Jack Layton and Paul Martin: There's your "non-profit" daycare! Bloody greedy leeching leftwing elitists and your govt monopolies always stealing our money. :angry:

I liked what Columnist to the World (Mark Steyn) wrote today:

Of all the many marvelous Ronald Reagan lines, this is my favorite: "We are a nation that has a government -- not the other way around."

He said it in his Inaugural address in 1981. And despite a Democratic-controlled Congress, he lived it. It sums up his legacy abroad: Across post-communist Europe, from Lithuania to Bulgaria to Slovenia, governments that had nations have been replaced by nations that have governments.

But it's an important distinction for nontotalitarian states, too. For example, in May 2004 the Canadian government proudly announced the country had "created" 56,100 new jobs in the last month. That's terrific news, isn't it? The old economic engine positively roaring away in top gear. But on closer inspection, of those 56,100 new jobs, 4,200 were self-employed, 8,900 were in private businesses, and the remaining 43,000 were on the public payroll. That's why they call it "creating jobs": 77 percent of new jobs were government jobs, paid for by the poor schlubs working away in the remaining 23 percent. The "good news" was merely an acceleration of the remorseless transfer from the dynamic sector of the economy to the nondynamic. For too much of its recent history, Canada has been a government that has a nation. And across the pond, the European Union is a government that has a Continent.

I really miss Ronald Reagan.

And Europe needs a Winston Churchill or an Iron Lady like Margaret Thatcher--no offense to Tony Blair whose foreign policy I admire. However I do not admire his gun ban (which resulted in a massive increase in crime), and I am disappointed that he did not learn from this, and now has implemented a "knife amnesty." Tony Tony Tony. Do you really think that the bad guys are going to turn in their knives?

[Riverwind]

But on closer inspection, of those 56,100 new jobs, 4,200 were self-employed, 8,900 were in private businesses, and the remaining 43,000 were on the public payroll.

I don't have detailed stats for the month in question, however, I suspect these stats (assuming they are accurate) include a large number of healthcare workers. From economic perspective there is no difference between a healthcare worker working for the gov't or working for a private company since they provide the same services and value to the economy. Furthermore, from the perspective of a business owner skyrocketing healthcare premiums are as bad as (if not worse) than any tax imposed imposed by the gov't. The fact that Steyn went back 2 years to find a month that 'proved' his point suggests that he is play fast and loose with statistics to make a point.

[Nocrap]

3 employees of Quebec daycare sued for $616,000:

The former director of a non-profit daycare in Town of Mount Royal charged clothes, restaurant meals and spa visits to the daycare centre, a civil lawsuit filed in Quebec Superior Court alleges. The Centre de la petite enfance Mont Royal is seeking repayment of $616,049.43 jointly from former director Jeany Tsitsos, accounting secretary Karen Goldfield and Rejean Carbonneau, the chartered accountant who audited the centre’s books.

[...]

The CPE Mont Royal lawsuit alleges that a closer look at the daycare's $1.4-million annual budget and Tsitsos's spending from April 2004 to July 2005 might have uncovered:

$25,802 for restaurant meals

$19,827 for china

$13,107 for flowers

$12,475 for clothing

Goldfield helped the director cover up her purchases, the lawsuit alleges. Clothing bills, for example, were classified as "personal development" or "educational material," the lawsuit claims.

They are not guilty but this is one reason, the main reason being that parents should have childcare choice, why I distrust govt sticking their noses - financially - deeper and deeper into Canadian society. There has been a few Saskatchewan govt employees charged in the last few months for stealing from taxpayers (the lady from Social Services comes to mind--I think it was a million dollars). When someone is given gobs of "free" money, the temptation is always there to "nick" some for yourself.

Jack Layton and Paul Martin: There's your "non-profit" daycare! Bloody greedy leeching leftwing elitists and your govt monopolies always stealing our money. :angry:

I liked what Columnist to the World (Mark Steyn) wrote today:

Of all the many marvelous Ronald Reagan lines, this is my favorite: "We are a nation that has a government -- not the other way around."

He said it in his Inaugural address in 1981. And despite a Democratic-controlled Congress, he lived it. It sums up his legacy abroad: Across post-communist Europe, from Lithuania to Bulgaria to Slovenia, governments that had nations have been replaced by nations that have governments.

But it's an important distinction for nontotalitarian states, too. For example, in May 2004 the Canadian government proudly announced the country had "created" 56,100 new jobs in the last month. That's terrific news, isn't it? The old economic engine positively roaring away in top gear. But on closer inspection, of those 56,100 new jobs, 4,200 were self-employed, 8,900 were in private businesses, and the remaining 43,000 were on the public payroll. That's why they call it "creating jobs": 77 percent of new jobs were government jobs, paid for by the poor schlubs working away in the remaining 23 percent. The "good news" was merely an acceleration of the remorseless transfer from the dynamic sector of the economy to the nondynamic. For too much of its recent history, Canada has been a government that has a nation. And across the pond, the European Union is a government that has a Continent.

I really miss Ronald Reagan.

And Europe needs a Winston Churchill or an Iron Lady like Margaret Thatcher--no offense to Tony Blair whose foreign policy I admire. However I do not admire his gun ban (which resulted in a massive increase in crime), and I am disappointed that he did not learn from this, and now has implemented a "knife amnesty." Tony Tony Tony. Do you really think that the bad guys are going to turn in their knives?

Just because one non-profit daycare misused funds, doesn't mean that all Daycares do the same or that a National Daycare Plan is wrong.

I know that the CPC is in favour of more privatization. When John Baird was Miniser of Community and Social Services he contracted clerical work to Anderson Consulting (of Enron fame). Anderson charged 173 million to save 87.5 million (dropping clients from the system). They then charged an additional 500 million for a non-functioning computer and staffing. When the auditor general examined the books she found that Baird had paid four times the fee to Anderson for the work of one civil servant. The province is still cleaning up the mess.

Does this mean that all privatization of government agencies is wrong, based on one politicians bungling of his job?

Personally, I do, but would it be fair of me to automatically tell the CPC that they can't privatize government departments because it will always cost four times as much to do so?

[iamcanadian2]

Just because one non-profit daycare misused funds, doesn't mean that all Daycares do the same or that a National Daycare Plan is wrong.

EVERY GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENT and GOVERNMENT FUNDED NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION OPERATES EXACTLY THIS WAY. AT LEAST HALF OF PUBLIC MONEY IS STOLEN OR INTENTIONALY WASTED EVERYWHERE IN CANADA.

PLACES WHERE THINGS LIKE THIS DON'T HAPPEN ARE VERY RARE.

THE CANADIAN DREAM IS TO BE PLACED IN A POSITION OF PUBLIC TRUST SO THAT THEY CAN HELP THEMSELVES TO SOME LOOT.

[lost&outofcontrol]

I really miss Ronald Reagan.

And Europe needs a Winston Churchill or an Iron Lady like Margaret Thatcher

Yes, we need more people like Winston Churchill who said "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes." and people like Ronald Reagan who are willing to use drug (sold to his own citizens) money to fund an illegal war or even leaders like Margaret Thatcher with their stellar human rights records. Such a skewed view of history.

[Bakunin]

You can steal this money from a bank, a company or anybody, its the same thing for the government.

You can steal public fund but eventually you will get caught and that is what happened. There is a justice system for that and you can't get away with it unless you are or work for a politician.

[iamcanadian2]

You can steal this money from a bank, a company or anybody, its the same thing for the government.

You can steal public fund but eventually you will get caught and that is what happened. There is a justice system for that and you can't get away with it unless you are or work for a politician.

The people that steal public money are the directors and managers employed for life and never get caught and if they are they don't get punished. Politicians and those that work for them are under too much public scrutiny to steal ver much. The Directors, Commissioner, Treasurers and CAO's of Government are the ones that steal tens of millions and some hundreds of millions of dollars each by the time they retire.

Politicians are mostly their puppets.

[Montgomery Burns]

I really miss Ronald Reagan.

And Europe needs a Winston Churchill or an Iron Lady like Margaret Thatcher

Yes, we need more people like Winston Churchill who said "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes." and people like Ronald Reagan who are willing to use drug (sold to his own citizens) money to fund an illegal war or even leaders like Margaret Thatcher with their stellar human rights records. Such a skewed view of history.

What an interesting link you dropped regarding Reagan's alleged atrocities. Headlines crossing the top of the home page saying: Support troops, impeach Bush now! Order now for you next Protest Gear! International Workers Day! (code for Marxist Communists-probably upset that Reagan hd much to do with the collapse of the USSR), Fire the liars, impeach now, Bush lied, people died, links to Truthout.org.

And to top it off, the people in Lost&out of control's link are from Brussels Belgium, Sweden etc, lamenting about the Int'l Criminal Court of Justice being overlooked, commies from Sudan, Cameroon, Europe, etc, but my favorite is this person: The Honorable Ramsey Clark--so honorable that he is defending mass-murderer Saddam Hussein.

Folks, we've got us a commie on this forum; someone who supports the communist ideology that killed over 100 million people in the 20th century.

And if my Salvadorian friend, and his sister, were here to see this, they would go nuts on you. They had to flee El Salvador to come to Canada, because the FMLN and FPL communist guerillas tried to kill them and their family.

People like you who support murderers make me want to puke. :angry:

And that is why I do everything I can to fight you killers. :angry:

[Montgomery Burns]

But on closer inspection, of those 56,100 new jobs, 4,200 were self-employed, 8,900 were in private businesses, and the remaining 43,000 were on the public payroll.

I don't have detailed stats for the month in question, however, I suspect these stats (assuming they are accurate) include a large number of healthcare workers. From economic perspective there is no difference between a healthcare worker working for the gov't or working for a private company since they provide the same services and value to the economy. Furthermore, from the perspective of a business owner skyrocketing healthcare premiums are as bad as (if not worse) than any tax imposed imposed by the gov't. The fact that Steyn went back 2 years to find a month that 'proved' his point suggests that he is play fast and loose with statistics to make a point.

You have no proof that these stats include a large majority of healthcare workers. Even if they did, it wouldn't matter much. It is still a monopoly that has no incentive to be efficient, effective, and economical (the 3 EEEs I remember from Business Administration).

Steyn might have went back 2 years to make his point, but are you trying to claim that this was not the norm in Canada during leftist rule? I see numbers like this almost every month here in Calvert's Cuba (Saskatchewan). Govt "creates" most of the jobs here. And you think this is a good thing?

[Montgomery Burns]

3 employees of Quebec daycare sued for $616,000:

The former director of a non-profit daycare in Town of Mount Royal charged clothes, restaurant meals and spa visits to the daycare centre, a civil lawsuit filed in Quebec Superior Court alleges. The Centre de la petite enfance Mont Royal is seeking repayment of $616,049.43 jointly from former director Jeany Tsitsos, accounting secretary Karen Goldfield and Rejean Carbonneau, the chartered accountant who audited the centre’s books.

[...]

The CPE Mont Royal lawsuit alleges that a closer look at the daycare's $1.4-million annual budget and Tsitsos's spending from April 2004 to July 2005 might have uncovered:

$25,802 for restaurant meals

$19,827 for china

$13,107 for flowers

$12,475 for clothing

Goldfield helped the director cover up her purchases, the lawsuit alleges. Clothing bills, for example, were classified as "personal development" or "educational material," the lawsuit claims.

They are not guilty but this is one reason, the main reason being that parents should have childcare choice, why I distrust govt sticking their noses - financially - deeper and deeper into Canadian society. There has been a few Saskatchewan govt employees charged in the last few months for stealing from taxpayers (the lady from Social Services comes to mind--I think it was a million dollars). When someone is given gobs of "free" money, the temptation is always there to "nick" some for yourself.

Jack Layton and Paul Martin: There's your "non-profit" daycare! Bloody greedy leeching leftwing elitists and your govt monopolies always stealing our money. :angry:

I liked what Columnist to the World (Mark Steyn) wrote today:

Of all the many marvelous Ronald Reagan lines, this is my favorite: "We are a nation that has a government -- not the other way around."

He said it in his Inaugural address in 1981. And despite a Democratic-controlled Congress, he lived it. It sums up his legacy abroad: Across post-communist Europe, from Lithuania to Bulgaria to Slovenia, governments that had nations have been replaced by nations that have governments.

But it's an important distinction for nontotalitarian states, too. For example, in May 2004 the Canadian government proudly announced the country had "created" 56,100 new jobs in the last month. That's terrific news, isn't it? The old economic engine positively roaring away in top gear. But on closer inspection, of those 56,100 new jobs, 4,200 were self-employed, 8,900 were in private businesses, and the remaining 43,000 were on the public payroll. That's why they call it "creating jobs": 77 percent of new jobs were government jobs, paid for by the poor schlubs working away in the remaining 23 percent. The "good news" was merely an acceleration of the remorseless transfer from the dynamic sector of the economy to the nondynamic. For too much of its recent history, Canada has been a government that has a nation. And across the pond, the European Union is a government that has a Continent.

I really miss Ronald Reagan.

And Europe needs a Winston Churchill or an Iron Lady like Margaret Thatcher--no offense to Tony Blair whose foreign policy I admire. However I do not admire his gun ban (which resulted in a massive increase in crime), and I am disappointed that he did not learn from this, and now has implemented a "knife amnesty." Tony Tony Tony. Do you really think that the bad guys are going to turn in their knives?

Just because one non-profit daycare misused funds, doesn't mean that all Daycares do the same or that a National Daycare Plan is wrong.

I know that the CPC is in favour of more privatization. When John Baird was Miniser of Community and Social Services he contracted clerical work to Anderson Consulting (of Enron fame). Anderson charged 173 million to save 87.5 million (dropping clients from the system). They then charged an additional 500 million for a non-functioning computer and staffing. When the auditor general examined the books she found that Baird had paid four times the fee to Anderson for the work of one civil servant. The province is still cleaning up the mess.

Does this mean that all privatization of government agencies is wrong, based on one politicians bungling of his job?

Personally, I do, but would it be fair of me to automatically tell the CPC that they can't privatize government departments because it will always cost four times as much to do so?

Enron Enron Enron.

Note that Quebec govt daycare workers went on strike the first year and hit up the taxpayers for a 40% raise. As far as the cold heartless bureaucrats who left that kid in the cold for XXX amount of hours, that could probably happen in a private daycare, although I suspect the odds are much less.

Nocrap, I am issuing a challenge to you: Your corporate scandals vs my govt scandals.

Will you accept my challenge?

[lost&outofcontrol]

And if my Salvadorian friend, and his sister, were here to see this, they would go nuts on you. They had to flee El Salvador to come to Canada, because the FMLN and FPL communist guerillas tried to kill them and their family.

People like you who support murderers make me want to puke. :angry:

And that is why I do everything I can to fight you killers. :angry:

And I quote:

According to the 1993 United Nations' Truth Commission report, over 96% of the human rights violations carried out during the war were committed by the Salvadoran military or the paramilitary death squads, while 3.5% were committed by the FMLN. During the war, a small group of military advisers from the United States helped to train government forces, which were heavily funded by the U.S. as well.

(3.5% is still wrong of course)

Good thing you're there to fight the good fight...

**edit*

Oh yes and just because I post a link to someone doesn't mean I agree with everything they have to say just like you sometimes link to Bill Oreilly and I'm sure (I hope) you do not agree with everything he has to say.

[August1991]

Nocrap, I am issuing a challenge to you: Your corporate scandals vs my govt scandals.

If you get into this game, at least compare comparables.

As a previous poster here once argued, when a corporation screws up, you get Enron or Bhopal. When government screws up, you get Hitler or Stalin.