PQ First Mandate -Referendum

[August1991]

This will be the question -three choices:

-Status quo (no change)

-Culture sovereignty

-Complete independence

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This vote will show the true colour of people. 

[August1991]

The PQ may then do best of two - a run-off.

-Culture sovereignty would win

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How would Alberta think about this?  

[500channelsurfer]

On 9/6/2025 at 1:11 AM, August1991 said:

This will be the question -three choices:

-Status quo (no change)

-Culture sovereignty

-Complete independence

PSPP will have a three answer referendum question?

This might be a good idea, but I have not heard it come from the PQ. 

Isn't the CAQ government already the culture sovereignty option?

 

On 9/6/2025 at 1:23 AM, August1991 said:

How would Alberta think about this?  

Alberta and Quebec have completely different sovereignty grievances. What would Alberta choose for its middle option?  

[August1991]

On 10/29/2025 at 12:26 AM, 500channelsurfer said:

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Alberta and Quebec have completely different sovereignty grievances. What would Alberta choose for its middle option?  

Agreed.

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But without either Alberta or Quebec, Ontario would be Michigan.

And Toronto would be Detroit.

 

[John Stone]

Trump believes that Alberta was part of the Louisiana Purchase - he absolutely believes that Canada is p/o the U.S. Manifest Destiny. 

[August1991]

On 11/4/2025 at 2:28 PM, John Stone said:

Trump believes that Alberta was part of the Louisiana Purchase - he absolutely believes that Canada is p/o the U.S. Manifest Destiny. 

Strongly disagree. 

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John Stone, you are a typical English-Canadian from Ontario.

You are terrified: Without the federal Liberals, Toronto would be Detroit; Ontario would be Michigan.

[John Stone]

On 11/11/2025 at 9:45 PM, August1991 said:

Strongly disagree. 

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John Stone, you are a typical English-Canadian from Ontario.

You are terrified: Without the federal Liberals, Toronto would be Detroit; Ontario would be Michigan.

ah, no

There is no question that the war of 1812 was an American desire for Territorial expansion .......... the Louisiana Purchase influenced the war of 1812. 

It was a disaster, British Troops burned the White House and the President narrowly escaped thru a back window - the American hawks quickly decided that the desire for territorial expansion for now, wasn't worth the squeeze. 

Trump absolutely believes in both the Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny. 

[August1991]

On 11/24/2025 at 8:41 AM, John Stone said:

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There is no question that the war of 1812 was an American desire for Territorial expansion .......... the Louisiana Purchase influenced the war of 1812. 

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Trump absolutely believes in both the Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny. 

Such is the CBC Toronto media view of Canada.

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Canada is a country much larger. Trust me. 

[August1991]

Turn off Google's stupid auto-translate.

Listen to Lévesque. He speaks a delightful French, and he says smart things.

At the time, he was still a minister in a provincial government in a federalist party. 

Edited November 30, 2025 by August1991

[John Stone]

On 11/29/2025 at 11:33 PM, August1991 said:

Such is the CBC Toronto media view of Canada.

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Canada is a country much larger. Trust me. 

larger than what? 

[John Stone]

US War Correspondent 

Kanada's 'bone spur' Prime Minister.

[August1991]

Both spoke delightful French.

Hint for kids: If you want to be successful in politics in Canada, speak French the way these two guys did.

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IMHO: Trudeau was a federalist more than a democrat. Lévesque was a democrat more than a federalist.

[John Stone]

“I think we have to realize that Canada is not immortal. But if it is going to go, let it go with a bang rather than a whimper.”

— Pierre Trudeau

Edited December 31, 2025 by John Stone

[CdnFox]

On 9/5/2025 at 10:11 PM, August1991 said:

This will be the question -three choices:

-Status quo (no change)

-Culture sovereignty

-Complete independence

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This vote will show the true colour of people. 

The fact that they're even doing this shows we don't get along

On 12/25/2025 at 5:52 PM, August1991 said:

Both spoke delightful French.

Hint for kids: If you want to be successful in politics in Canada, speak French the way these two guys did.

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IMHO: Trudeau was a federalist more than a democrat. Lévesque was a democrat more than a federalist.

If we get rid of Quebec we won't have to worry about it

[John Stone]

On 12/31/2025 at 9:54 PM, CdnFox said:

The fact that they're even doing this shows we don't get along

If we get rid of Quebec we won't have to worry about it

 

On 10/30/2025 at 4:13 AM, August1991 said:

Agreed.

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But without either Alberta or Quebec, Ontario would be Michigan.

And Toronto would be Detroit.

 

.......... hmmmmm........ could Trump be convinced to just annex Quebec? 

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, John Stone said:

 

.......... hmmmmm........ could Trump be convinced to just annex Quebec? 

It would certainly turn him off his plans to annex the rest of Canada

"What the hell!  Are they all like this??????"

[August1991]

On 1/6/2026 at 2:21 PM, CdnFox said:

It would certainly turn him off his plans to annex the rest of Canada

"What the hell!  Are they all like this??????"

Annex Canada?

Ontario people - always obsessed with America.

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In Alberta and Quebec, we think of a separate place.

Norway is separate like Alberta. Iceland like Quebec has survived for centuries.

[CdnFox]

16 minutes ago, August1991 said:

 

Norway is separate like Alberta. Iceland like Quebec has survived for centuries.

Neither of those statements are remotely true

[August1991]

12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Neither of those statements are remotely true

Norway has its own currency. It is not part of the EU.

People in Iceland have their own language. They have survived for centuries.

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Norway has its own currency. It is not part of the EU.

 

And? So does the US but it's a bad example of how quebec could survive on it's own 

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People in Iceland have their own language. They have survived for centuries.

Same for venezuela, how'd that go?

[John Stone]

If Quebec ever did decide to secede Canada would need a strong negotiator - preferably not a Quebecois. 

There seems to be an understanding that the Republic of Quebec would have sovereignty over what is deemed Quebec territory now.

Like the U.S., Canada's State  / Provincial  and International boundaries evolved over time.

The argument  could  be that Quebec sovereignty is limited to what it was on or before Canada became a dominion. 

There is no question that the St. Lawrence seaway would remain an international waterway. 

All that being  said, the Republic of Quebec would be helpless against an American economic and cultural onslaught. 

Canada might be better off negotiating the boundaries, sans Quebec tho - arguably Newfoundland could retain Labrador. 

This argument applies to all 10 Provinces and likely the (3) Territories. 

oh yeah, lets not forget the Indigenous - they have legitimate land claims as well. 

Edited February 12 by John Stone

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, John Stone said:

If Quebec ever did decide to secede Canada would need a strong negotiator - preferably not a Quebecois. 

There seems to be an understanding that the Republic of Quebec would have sovereignty over what is deemed Quebec territory now.

Like the U.S., Canada's State  / Provincial  and International boundaries evolved over time.

The argument  could  be that Quebec sovereignty is limited to what it was on or before Canada became a dominion. 

There is no question that the St. Lawrence seaway would remain an international waterway. 

All that being  said, the Republic of Quebec would be helpless against an American economic and cultural onslaught. 

Canada might be better off negotiating the boundaries, sans Quebec tho - arguably Newfoundland could retain Labrador. 

This argument applies to all 10 Provinces and likely the (3) Territories. 

oh yeah, lets not forget the Indigenous - they have legitimate land claims as well. 

And the problem facing literally any province thinking of secession are the natives. They could vote to remain part of Canada. The argument is that if Quebec has the legal authority to leave Canada then the first nations have the legal authority to leave Quebec.

If we're being 100% honest there are no Provinces that could stand on their own economically. The closest one that would have a shot at it is Ontario and even they really couldn't go on their own. 

So any province leaving would probably be looking at renegotiating confederation to gain more power and leave Ottawa with less power but still remain in Canada. This vaguely was the premise behind  sovereignty association which Quebec pushed for a while.

It's all four western provinces left they could make it go of it as a country. And Ontario come back in the maritimes could probably make it go of it too, although that would be a tense relationship I suspect. But it would be very hard to cut Canada into smaller bites than that and have it succeed as a truly independent nation

[John Stone]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And the problem facing literally any province thinking of secession are the natives. They could vote to remain part of Canada. The argument is that if Quebec has the legal authority to leave Canada then the first nations have the legal authority to leave Quebec.

If we're being 100% honest there are no Provinces that could stand on their own economically. The closest one that would have a shot at it is Ontario and even they really couldn't go on their own. 

So any province leaving would probably be looking at renegotiating confederation to gain more power and leave Ottawa with less power but still remain in Canada. This vaguely was the premise behind  sovereignty association which Quebec pushed for a while.

It's all four western provinces left they could make it go of it as a country. And Ontario come back in the maritimes could probably make it go of it too, although that would be a tense relationship I suspect. But it would be very hard to cut Canada into smaller bites than that and have it succeed as a truly independent nation

............... how the U.S. would view any Province in negotiation - they'd be foolish not to.  

Edited February 12 by John Stone

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, John Stone said:

............... how the U.S. would view any Province in negotiation - they'd be foolish not to.  

And that's probably optimistic,

Any province that felt they weren't getting their fair share under confederation would be stupid Not to realize that they will be an even smaller fish in an exponentially larger pond with America and have even less say